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Lone Wolf 09-27-09 07:09 AM

Roman Polanski arrested
 
It only took them 30 years.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090927/...rland_polanski


Director Roman Polanski was taken into custody, Swiss police confirmed Sunday, on a 1978 U.S. arrest warrant for having sex with a 13-year-old girl.

Polanski was flying in to receive an honorary award at the Zurich Film Festival when he was detained late Saturday at the airport, organizers at the festival said in a statement.

Zurich police spokesman Stefan Oberlin confirmed Polanski's arrest, but refused to provide more details because he said it was a matter for the Swiss Justice Ministry.

Ministry spokesman Guido Balmer declined to comment. Rudolf Wyss, the Justice Ministry deputy director, also declined to comment on the case. But he told The AP that Switzerland and the U.S. have an extradition treaty dating back to the 1950s that is still in force.

The Polish-born director fled the United States in 1978, a year after pleading guilty to unlawful sexual intercourse with a 13-year-old girl.

The 76-year-old director of such classic films as "Chinatown" and "Rosemary's Baby" has asked a U.S. appeals court in California to overturn a judges' refusal to throw out his case. He claims misconduct by the now-deceased judge who had arranged a plea bargain and then reneged on it.

Polanski has lived for the past three decades in France, where his career has continued to flourish. He received a directing Oscar in absentia for the 2002 movie "The Pianist."

Festival organizers said Polanski's detention had caused "shock and dismay," but that they would go ahead with Sunday's planned retrospective of the director's work.

The Swiss Directors Association sharply criticized authorities for what it deemed "not only a grotesque farce of justice, but also an immense cultural scandal."

A native of France who was taken to Poland by his parents, Polanski escaped Krakow's Jewish ghetto as a child and lived off the charity of strangers. His mother died at the Auschwitz Nazi death camp.

He worked his way into filmmaking in Poland, gaining an Oscar nomination for best foreign-language film in 1964 for his "Knife in the Water." Offered entry to Hollywood, he directed the classic "Rosemary's Baby" in 1968.

But his life was shattered again in 1969 when his wife, actress Sharon Tate, and four other people were gruesomely murdered by followers of Charles Manson. She was eight months pregnant.

He went on to make another American classic, "Chinatown," released in 1974.

In 1977, he was accused of raping a teenager while photographing her during a modeling session. The girl said Polanski plied her with champagne and part of a Quaalude pill at Jack Nicholson's house while the actor was away. She said that, despite her protests, he performed oral sex, intercourse and sodomy on her.

Polanski was allowed to plead guilty to one of six charges, unlawful sexual intercourse, and was sent to prison for 42 days of evaluation.

Lawyers agreed that would be his full sentence, but the judge tried to renege on the plea bargain. Aware the judge would sentence him to more prison time and require his voluntary deportation, Polanski fled to France.

The now 45-year-old victim, Samantha Geimer, who long ago identified herself publicly, has joined in Polanski's bid for dismissal, saying she wants the case to be over. She sued Polanski and reached an undisclosed settlement.

Gerry P. 09-27-09 07:27 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 
Whoa.

RocShemp 09-27-09 10:04 AM

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Talk about a cold case. After 31 years he finally gets caught.

Adam Tyner 09-27-09 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 9734152)
Talk about a cold case.

It's not a cold case at all, though (the man had pled guilty, even!). He'd just been clever enough to avoid being extradited.

Ash Ketchum 09-27-09 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 9734165)
It's not a cold case at all, though (the man had pled guilty, even!). He'd just been clever enough to avoid being extradited.

Not clever enough, apparently. He or his lawyers should have checked up on the U.S.-Swiss extradition treaty.

Dick Laurent 09-27-09 10:38 AM

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No matter what your feelings are about Roman Polanski as a director, he admitted to the crime of sex with a 13-yr old girl, and then fled the country indefinitely. I've made the conscious decision NOT to support this director by not paying for or watching his movies on DVD (same for Victor Salva), and that's difficult, especially with the latest Criterion release, and the OHMC.

This subject is very personal to me, and my decision to boycott his films was not made in haste. I took a lot of time to read police reports and court records and victim statements, interviews, etc. And then I made a very informed decision.

Now, if the US ends up getting him back here, and "justice" is served, I'll have to make the decision on whether to lift my boycott.

So the burning question: If a criminal pays for his crime, does that make his successes (and DVDs) acceptable?

Deftones 09-27-09 10:39 AM

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Justice can finally be served. :up:

Michael T Hudson 09-27-09 10:54 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 
Agreed with above posters. I read the stuff on the smoking gun a few years ago and he deserves to be in jail.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...skicover1.html


Sick stuff.

Dr. Mantle 09-27-09 11:06 AM

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I just started watching Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired yesterday. Crazy timing.

Groucho 09-27-09 11:21 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 
So, he's never been to Switzerland this whole time?

Deftones 09-27-09 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 9734257)
So, he's never been to Switzerland this whole time?

I guess he had numerous times. I wonder why, now, they decided to finally arrest him.

TomOpus 09-27-09 11:33 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by Dick Laurent (Post 9734197)
So the burning question: If a criminal pays for his crime, does that make his successes (and DVDs) acceptable?

Also he's settled with his victim and she does not want to go through this any more. Shouldn't her wishes (and that of her family) have a large say in continued prosecution?

Dick Laurent 09-27-09 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 9734260)
I guess he had numerous times. I wonder why, now, they decided to finally arrest him.

Better Swiss-US relations involving banking privacy matters probably helped.

Deftones 09-27-09 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 9734275)
Also he's settled with his victim and she does not want to go through this any more. Shouldn't her wishes (and that of her family) have a large say in continued prosecution?

Nope. So anytime a victim decides they don't want to prosecute any more the jurisdiction should just drop the case? Many times they don't want to prosecute because they don't want to go through an ordeal of a trial or having to relive the crime. That sets a really bad precedent if you think it should work that way.

NoirFan 09-27-09 11:43 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by Dick Laurent (Post 9734197)
No matter what your feelings are about Roman Polanski as a director, he admitted to the crime of sex with a 13-yr old girl, and then fled the country indefinitely. I've made the conscious decision NOT to support this director by not paying for or watching his movies on DVD (same for Victor Salva), and that's difficult, especially with the latest Criterion release, and the OHMC.

Do you also change the channel every time a Naked Gun movie comes on?

Dick Laurent 09-27-09 11:49 AM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by TomOpus (Post 9734275)
Also he's settled with his victim and she does not want to go through this any more. Shouldn't her wishes (and that of her family) have a large say in continued prosecution?

No. You can't just settle and not completely fulfill your legal obligations. He's not above the law. Whether the victim wants to go through this anymore is not up to her. "Settling" only hurts the victim and the public in the long run. She knows she played a part in his seduction, and she probably still feels embarrassment (though she's been an adult for a long time now). Anyway, principal and protection is what should be the concern here.

Dick Laurent 09-27-09 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 9734290)
Do you also change the channel every time a Naked Gun movie comes on?

I've never been accused of killing anyone. I have been sexually molested as a child.

Deftones 09-27-09 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 9734290)
Do you also change the channel every time a Naked Gun movie comes on?

OJ wasn't convicted of murder, even though we all know he did it. :p

dsa_shea 09-27-09 12:03 PM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 
Donte Stallworth was able to pay his way out of his DUI manslaughter charge.

Supermallet 09-27-09 12:06 PM

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I never stopped watching his films and I never will.

NoirFan 09-27-09 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 9734303)
OJ wasn't convicted of murder, even though we all know he did it. :p

Although he was found liable for the two deaths in civil court. That didn't stop him from tracking down the real killer though.


Originally Posted by Suprmallet (Post 9734333)
I never stopped watching his films and I never will.

I stopped watching Pirates.

RocShemp 09-27-09 12:18 PM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 9734290)
Do you also change the channel every time a Naked Gun movie comes on?

I fail to see the connection.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Deftones
OJ wasn't convicted of murder, even though we all know he did it. :p

Ooooh.

CloverClover 09-27-09 12:25 PM

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this is a good thing because now he can get this fiasco behind him it is all anyone talks about with his legendary career. I think the system will be fair to him otherwise there would be a big outcry, I dont think they will want to be humiliated a second time

NoirFan 09-27-09 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 9734362)
I fail to see the connection.

He boycotts Polanski films because of the director's criminal activities. I was wondering if he avoided all films that featured directors, actors, producers, caterers, etc. who had committed violent crimes. Naked Gun and O.J. might not have been the best example, since he was only found guilty in a civil court, but it was the first that popped into my mind. I'm sure others can come up with the hundreds of other examples. Here's a better example: One of the doctors in the original Exorcist was convicted of murder - would he avoid watching the film because of this?

Deftones 09-27-09 12:35 PM

Re: Roman Polanski arrested
 

Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 9734412)
He boycotts Polanski films because of the director's criminal activities. I was wondering if he avoided all films that featured directors, actors, producers, caterers, etc. who had committed violent crimes. Naked Gun and O.J. might not have been the best example, since he was only found guilty in a civil court, but it was the first that popped into my mind. I'm sure others can come up with the hundreds of other examples. Here's a better example: One of the doctors in the original Exorcist was convicted of murder - would he avoid watching the film because of this?

could it possibly the combination of Polanski's crime and the fact that he evaded capture for 30+ years by living in a country that doesn't extradite?

Jaymole 09-27-09 01:34 PM

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After watching Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired, my feelings have changed somewhat about his flight from justice. I still think he did the wrong thing by fleeing, but I understand better why he did. I also had no idea that he had already spent some time behind bars under psychiatric supervision (42 days).

I think this arrest may be the best thing for everyone involved as it may finally give some closure to these events.

BJacks 09-27-09 01:50 PM

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Who cares if he spent 42 days in jail already? Drugging, sodomizing and raping a minor should get you years.

Cheato 09-27-09 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 9734412)
He boycotts Polanski films because of the director's criminal activities. I was wondering if he avoided all films that featured directors, actors, producers, caterers, etc. who had committed violent crimes. Naked Gun and O.J. might not have been the best example, since he was only found guilty in a civil court, but it was the first that popped into my mind. I'm sure others can come up with the hundreds of other examples. Here's a better example: One of the doctors in the original Exorcist was convicted of murder - would he avoid watching the film because of this?

I have an idea. List out 1000 different crimes, from least significant to most significant, and then list out 100 or so different jobs working on a movie, and then you can ask Dick Laurent to draw the lines and map out his beliefs. I'm sure it's there's a curve somewhere between a Key Grip committing genocide and a producer getting a parking ticket.

Because after all, it's impossible to simply make a single judgment. We all have to have policies that are consistent across the board and ask "what if" in a thousand different ways before arriving at an opinion. And then it has to be absolute, all-or-nothing, or justifiable why it isn't.

That is exactly the point DL was trying to make, right?

Or, we could just say "Roman Polanski drugged and raped a 13-year old girl and then fled from the U.S. justice system, and now he's finally been caught." And maybe some people feel a little strongly about the fact that he drugged and raped a 13-year old girl, so they don't want to support his career. I don't think "watching Naked Gun" as "supporting O.J. Simpson" is in the same ballpark. Maybe you do. Whatever.

Jaymole 09-27-09 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BJacks (Post 9734651)
Who cares if he spent 42 days in jail already? Drugging, sodomizing and raping a minor should get you years.

I only mentioned that as I always thought he fled the country as to avoid any responsibility for the crime. I never said that should be the full extent of his punishment.

BJacks 09-27-09 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaymole (Post 9734693)
I only mentioned that as I always thought he fled the country as to avoid any responsibility for the crime. I never said that should be the full extent of his punishment.

Ah, gotcha.

NoirFan 09-27-09 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheato (Post 9734666)
And maybe some people feel a little strongly about the fact that he drugged and raped a 13-year old girl, so they don't want to support his career.

Hey, why don't we boycott all of Led Zeppelin albums? Jimmy Page drugged and raped dozens of 13-year old girls - where's the outcry there?

Dr. DVD 09-27-09 02:46 PM

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It took them this dang long? What he did was wrong, but I think if they REALLY wanted him they would have done something to get him extradited more swiftly than waiting 30+ years.
Also, if the victim has forgiven him and wants it all behind them, they should respect her wishes.

Say what you will, what he did does not detract from his film making abilities, past or present.

NoirFan 09-27-09 02:58 PM

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I wonder if this will affect the release of The Ghost next year.

Boba Fett 09-27-09 03:00 PM

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What disgusts me, is I've heard people say Polanski deserves extra sympathy for what he did because he's a Holocaust survivor.

NoirFan 09-27-09 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 9734909)
What disgusts me, is I've heard people say Polanski deserves extra sympathy for what he did because he's a Holocaust survivor.

Or because his wife was butchered. Both ridiculous defenses.

Jack Straw 09-27-09 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NoirFan (Post 9734917)
Or because his wife was butchered. Both ridiculous defenses.

Not defenses, mitigating circumstances. There's a difference.

NoirFan 09-27-09 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 9734909)
What disgusts me, is I've heard people say Polanski deserves extra sympathy for what he did because he's a Holocaust survivor.

I'm reminded of the SNL skit in which a drunken, belligerent Horatio Sanz is allowed to destroy an entire apartment because his parents were eaten by bears.

Supermallet 09-27-09 03:25 PM

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That was a skit? I thought that was just Horatio Sanz.

Ted Todorov 09-27-09 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Deftones (Post 9734420)
could it possibly the combination of Polanski's crime and the fact that he evaded capture for 30+ years by living in a country that doesn't extradite?

France absolutely does extradite. They don't extradite for the specific crime that Polanski plead guilty to: "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor" which presumably doesn't translate to an extraditable felony under French law (not 100% percent sure what it was under California law -- anyone remember the exact details?)

Deftones 09-27-09 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ted Todorov (Post 9735082)
France absolutely does extradite. They don't extradite for the specific crime that Polanski plead guilty to: "unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor" which presumably doesn't translate to an extraditable felony under French law (not 100% percent sure what it was under California law -- anyone remember the exact details?)

what does that matter? if they extradite or not, they didn't for this specific crime, and that's all that matters.


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