Men in Black III in development
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It's business time!
http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/jema...ii/#more-42572
Flight of the Conchords star Jemaine Clement has been set to play the villainous Yaz in Men in Black III, the sequel that is being fast-tracked by Columbia Pictures. Will Smith stars with Tommy Lee Jones and Josh Brolin, and Barry Sonnenfeld directs.
Clement will next be seen starring with Steve Carell in Dinner For Schmucks, the Jay Roach-directed DreamWorks comedy that Paramount distributes July 23. While HBO didn't renew their series, Flight of the Conchords partners Clement and Bret McKenzie have been touring around the world and have sold out most venues.
Clement will next be seen starring with Steve Carell in Dinner For Schmucks, the Jay Roach-directed DreamWorks comedy that Paramount distributes July 23. While HBO didn't renew their series, Flight of the Conchords partners Clement and Bret McKenzie have been touring around the world and have sold out most venues.
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Not looking good.... but it'll still make millions.
Hollywood veterans don't remember anything like it happening on a major movie before: In November, Sony Pictures started filming Men in Black III with only one act of the script set. The studio built in a break in production that was scheduled to last from late December through mid-February, during which the remainder of the screenplay was supposed to be completed.
Now the hiatus has been extended until March 28, and a new writer, David Koepp, who did uncredited work on the first MIB, has been brought on board to work out complex script issues involving time travel. Although the delay is costing millions, Sony says those expenses will be more than offset because the studio started shooting in late 2010 -- in time to save millions thanks to New York state tax breaks.
But the decision to start filming a complicated, effects-driven tentpole without a finished script has some in Hollywood baffled. The top executive at one production company expressed skepticism that "the tax break is covering the chaos cost," adding, "There isn't any tax break that would convince me to do [what Sony did] -- ever!"
MIB III, scheduled to open in 3D in May 2012, has a budget that will easily pass $200 million. In the story, Will Smith's character returns to 1969 and encounters famous figures of the day, like Yoko Ono, as well as a younger version of Tommy Lee Jones' Agent K (played by Josh Brolin). Smith would have to travel quite far into the past just to see the previous edition of MIB in theaters: The sequel was released in 2002 and, despite a drubbing from critics, grossed more than $440 million worldwide.
With studios chasing franchises, it's hardly surprising that Sony was determined to pursue another MIB. Sony spokesman Steve Elzer says the studio came up with the unusual shooting plan because it feared the New York incentive program would expire at the end of December. (Instead, it was extended for five years.) The studio also has said it included the hiatus to allow outdoor scenes to be shot in New York in spring weather.
But several observers suspect the studio moved ahead with production largely because all of the key players -- including Smith, Jones and director Barry Sonnenfeld -- were finally ready to go, and a delay might have jeopardized that.
Smith and the others agreed to reunite based on a script from Tropic Thunder writer Etan Cohen. But though that version found favor with the studio, Sonnenfeld and producer Walter Parkes, Smith wanted changes. "He's become very enamored with aspects of screenwriting," says a source involved with the production. The source believes Smith has earned the right to weigh in on the script, but he says the actor's process "takes a long time." (The star's reps did not respond to a request for comment.)
MIB III was supposed to start filming in October but was delayed until November, reportedly because of disagreements over the script. Even as filming began, Sony brought in screenwriter Jeff Nathanson (Catch Me If You Can) to make revisions. With the first act in the can, production shut down as scheduled around Christmas, but there still was no script acceptable to all parties. The problem hadn't been resolved when the hiatus ran its course in mid-February.
One former studio chief is not surprised that Sony did not come up with a script that passed muster with Smith in the time allotted. "If he wasn't satisfied after it's been years in development, how are you going to fix that at Christmas?" this person asks. And though the prolonged pause in production is costing Sony millions, Smith is under no pressure to approve a script that is not 100% to his liking.
A key player on the film explains that the nature of the project has made it difficult to get the screenplay right. "Any movie involving time travel seems to be difficult if you want to make it work and have no bullshit loopholes, which has taken longer than we thought it would," he says.
But shooting that first act without the remainder of the script in place has only compounded the issues. "It's hard because you're locked into the beginning of the movie," a production source acknowledges. "It creates problems that are just kind of crazy."
According to a source with firsthand knowledge of the situation, Sony expected to save more than $35 million thanks to the New York tax program. But that will be reduced because the hiatus has gone on longer than anticipated. Sony maintains that the extra costs are not substantial. "Because we extended the hiatus from the holidays, few people were on the payroll, so this was a relatively inexpensive decision that has had an insignificant impact on the budget," Elzer told THR in an e-mail.
Elzer says Koepp has already delivered a revision of the script. But by now, the stresses of making the film have stirred old antagonisms -- notably between Sonnenfeld and Parkes. While Sonnenfeld is known as talented but high-strung, Parkes -- noted for a handsome head of gray hair -- often is criticized for heavy-handedness with writers. (Both Parkes and Sonnenfeld declined comment.)
The two men clashed so bitterly on both of the earlier MIBs that at one time, a knowledgeable source says, there were plans to make the third film without the active participation of one or the other. The men made up as MIB III came together, but now they are said to be at odds again, and a source friendly with Sonnenfeld insists the director is not at fault. "A lot of the blame gets put on Barry because he's so neurotic and out there," this person says. "But the real evil here is Walter trying to impose his point of view on things. And because he's so facile and he's got great hair, he wins the day a lot. But what sounds great never materializes into a screenplay."
That point of view is not new. Lawrence Lasker, once a filmmaking partner with Parkes, said a few years ago that Parkes had "a bit of a Salieri syndrome," referring to the composer who was famously jealous of Mozart's genius. Screenwriter Dale Launer (My Cousin Vinny) says Parkes is prone to throwing out many ideas in a process that "sort of cuts your balls off a little as a creative person. He gets to do the fun stuff, and you're supposed to make his ideas work."
The clash between producer and writer appears to have recurred with Koepp. A knowledgeable source says the scribe signed to the latest rewrite with the understanding that he would not be required to meet with or speak to Parkes. Elzer says it was the studio and producers who chose to have Sonnenfeld work directly with Koepp, adding, "This is fairly common."
But it's clear that when it comes to MIB, Parkes derives power from more than just good hair and a persuasive manner. Back when the first MIB (1997) was coming together, he kicked off a mutually beneficial relationship with Steven Spielberg by installing him as a producer on the film, even though Parkes and wife Laurie MacDonald had set up and partially cast the picture at Sony.
When it grossed about $590 million worldwide, Spielberg raked in a profit participation that was rumored to be $100 million. For Spielberg, who has been an executive producer on every film in the series, that proved a gift that has kept on giving.
Now the hiatus has been extended until March 28, and a new writer, David Koepp, who did uncredited work on the first MIB, has been brought on board to work out complex script issues involving time travel. Although the delay is costing millions, Sony says those expenses will be more than offset because the studio started shooting in late 2010 -- in time to save millions thanks to New York state tax breaks.
But the decision to start filming a complicated, effects-driven tentpole without a finished script has some in Hollywood baffled. The top executive at one production company expressed skepticism that "the tax break is covering the chaos cost," adding, "There isn't any tax break that would convince me to do [what Sony did] -- ever!"
MIB III, scheduled to open in 3D in May 2012, has a budget that will easily pass $200 million. In the story, Will Smith's character returns to 1969 and encounters famous figures of the day, like Yoko Ono, as well as a younger version of Tommy Lee Jones' Agent K (played by Josh Brolin). Smith would have to travel quite far into the past just to see the previous edition of MIB in theaters: The sequel was released in 2002 and, despite a drubbing from critics, grossed more than $440 million worldwide.
With studios chasing franchises, it's hardly surprising that Sony was determined to pursue another MIB. Sony spokesman Steve Elzer says the studio came up with the unusual shooting plan because it feared the New York incentive program would expire at the end of December. (Instead, it was extended for five years.) The studio also has said it included the hiatus to allow outdoor scenes to be shot in New York in spring weather.
But several observers suspect the studio moved ahead with production largely because all of the key players -- including Smith, Jones and director Barry Sonnenfeld -- were finally ready to go, and a delay might have jeopardized that.
Smith and the others agreed to reunite based on a script from Tropic Thunder writer Etan Cohen. But though that version found favor with the studio, Sonnenfeld and producer Walter Parkes, Smith wanted changes. "He's become very enamored with aspects of screenwriting," says a source involved with the production. The source believes Smith has earned the right to weigh in on the script, but he says the actor's process "takes a long time." (The star's reps did not respond to a request for comment.)
MIB III was supposed to start filming in October but was delayed until November, reportedly because of disagreements over the script. Even as filming began, Sony brought in screenwriter Jeff Nathanson (Catch Me If You Can) to make revisions. With the first act in the can, production shut down as scheduled around Christmas, but there still was no script acceptable to all parties. The problem hadn't been resolved when the hiatus ran its course in mid-February.
One former studio chief is not surprised that Sony did not come up with a script that passed muster with Smith in the time allotted. "If he wasn't satisfied after it's been years in development, how are you going to fix that at Christmas?" this person asks. And though the prolonged pause in production is costing Sony millions, Smith is under no pressure to approve a script that is not 100% to his liking.
A key player on the film explains that the nature of the project has made it difficult to get the screenplay right. "Any movie involving time travel seems to be difficult if you want to make it work and have no bullshit loopholes, which has taken longer than we thought it would," he says.
But shooting that first act without the remainder of the script in place has only compounded the issues. "It's hard because you're locked into the beginning of the movie," a production source acknowledges. "It creates problems that are just kind of crazy."
According to a source with firsthand knowledge of the situation, Sony expected to save more than $35 million thanks to the New York tax program. But that will be reduced because the hiatus has gone on longer than anticipated. Sony maintains that the extra costs are not substantial. "Because we extended the hiatus from the holidays, few people were on the payroll, so this was a relatively inexpensive decision that has had an insignificant impact on the budget," Elzer told THR in an e-mail.
Elzer says Koepp has already delivered a revision of the script. But by now, the stresses of making the film have stirred old antagonisms -- notably between Sonnenfeld and Parkes. While Sonnenfeld is known as talented but high-strung, Parkes -- noted for a handsome head of gray hair -- often is criticized for heavy-handedness with writers. (Both Parkes and Sonnenfeld declined comment.)
The two men clashed so bitterly on both of the earlier MIBs that at one time, a knowledgeable source says, there were plans to make the third film without the active participation of one or the other. The men made up as MIB III came together, but now they are said to be at odds again, and a source friendly with Sonnenfeld insists the director is not at fault. "A lot of the blame gets put on Barry because he's so neurotic and out there," this person says. "But the real evil here is Walter trying to impose his point of view on things. And because he's so facile and he's got great hair, he wins the day a lot. But what sounds great never materializes into a screenplay."
That point of view is not new. Lawrence Lasker, once a filmmaking partner with Parkes, said a few years ago that Parkes had "a bit of a Salieri syndrome," referring to the composer who was famously jealous of Mozart's genius. Screenwriter Dale Launer (My Cousin Vinny) says Parkes is prone to throwing out many ideas in a process that "sort of cuts your balls off a little as a creative person. He gets to do the fun stuff, and you're supposed to make his ideas work."
The clash between producer and writer appears to have recurred with Koepp. A knowledgeable source says the scribe signed to the latest rewrite with the understanding that he would not be required to meet with or speak to Parkes. Elzer says it was the studio and producers who chose to have Sonnenfeld work directly with Koepp, adding, "This is fairly common."
But it's clear that when it comes to MIB, Parkes derives power from more than just good hair and a persuasive manner. Back when the first MIB (1997) was coming together, he kicked off a mutually beneficial relationship with Steven Spielberg by installing him as a producer on the film, even though Parkes and wife Laurie MacDonald had set up and partially cast the picture at Sony.
When it grossed about $590 million worldwide, Spielberg raked in a profit participation that was rumored to be $100 million. For Spielberg, who has been an executive producer on every film in the series, that proved a gift that has kept on giving.
#131
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So it basically just sounds like they're throwing it together on the fly. Meh I might check it out at some point but I only moderately liked the first one and the second was a flick I caught once and haven't ever really felt the need to go back to.
#132
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Oh yeah, I'm sure this is going to turn out real well...
#134
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After how bad MIBII sucked, I'm not surprised to hear this one is having issues. Hell, the plot sounded like shit to begin with, so it's hardly shocking everyone has figured it out now.
#135
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Sounds like how Jurassic Park III was shot... they never figured out a third act for that one either.
#137
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So they decided to begin production because Smith, Jones and Sonnefield were all ready, willing and able to begin shooting. Somehow, I think this is going to give us a greater appreciation for Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. At least they also held out for a story that Lucas, Spielberg and Ford all agreed on before they started production.
#138
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A complex MIB script? That sounds interesting. Barry Sonnefield's movies stand out as being so fast paced and short. I love 'em (including Big Trouble). But it's like his plots end just as they're getting into the meat. It's like they're too short to be mad at. Even when you get a good scene (like the NY tunnel gag in MIB), it's cut short and we move onto the next thing. Nothing gets 'milked', or really even a second look.
#140
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A complex MIB script? That sounds interesting. Barry Sonnefield's movies stand out as being so fast paced and short. I love 'em (including Big Trouble). But it's like his plots end just as they're getting into the meat. It's like they're too short to be mad at. Even when you get a good scene (like the NY tunnel gag in MIB), it's cut short and we move onto the next thing. Nothing gets 'milked', or really even a second look.
They originally had it that two different alien species were after/negotiating the galaxy while the roaches were trying to cause them to fight by stealing it. Earth was just caught in the center.
It's still there, but they changed the plot slightly. I wish it had been kept.
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The lack of a third act is not unprecedented though. I seem to remember The Bourne Ultimatum was shooting while the script was still being written as well.
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Will Smith's 'Men In Black' Writer Shrouded in Mystery
1:50 AM 3/31/2011 by Kim Masters
Mike Soccio is working on the threequel, but the new THR reports that co-writers aren’t clear who he is.
Screenwriter Mike Soccio has no significant movie credits. But that doesn't mean he hasn't worked on some major films, including Sony's upcoming Men in Black threequel. This comes as news to other writers on the film, who don't quite seem to know who Soccio is -- even though he has been working on the project for months, according to sources familiar with the production.
As THR previously reported, MIB3 went into production in November for a planned May 2012 release, despite Sony not having a script that met with star Will Smith's approval. The studio's very unusual plan was to begin filming the first act based on a screenplay by Etan Cohen (Tropic Thunder). Then the production was to go into hiatus from December through mid-February to allow time for the rest of the script to be rewritten.
Even as filming began on the $200 million-plus project, Sony brought in screenwriter Jeff Nathanson (Catch Me If You Can). Then David Koepp, who did uncredited work on the first MIB, took a crack at the script. More recently, sources say, Cohen went back to work on the project.
Still, Sony did not have a script that pleased Smith, so the studio pushed back resumption of production to March 28. Studio spokesman Steve Elzer says production has begun again.
Although Soccio has not been credited, a source familiar with the situation says he has worked on many Smith films. What's unclear is exactly how much work Soccio has done on the upcoming MIB and why his presence seems to be so below the radar that other MIBwriters weren't told about him. While other comic actors -- Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler-- regularly bring in particular writers who have a way of capturing their voices, "I've never heard of it being kept sort of quiet," one agent says.
Soccio, his agency UTA and manager Jared Hoffman at Generate, declined to be interviewed.
Soccio and Smith go all the way back to Smith's days on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. (Soccio wrote several episodes of the series, pictured below, and made an onscreen appearance in 1995.) It's not clear whether Soccio has sought a credit on any of Smith's movies, but if Sony failed to provide his name in connection with MIB3, then it might violate WGA rules requiring studios to notify writers of others who are currently working on or previously have worked on a particular project.
But it's unlikely any of the other writers would care to make an issue of it. (After all, Koepp -- to give an example -- pulled down more than $250,000 a week for his services.)
In an e-mailed statement, Sony says Cohen and "other writers" were aware that Soccio "is a long-time and well-known collaborator on Will's projects." The studio adds that Soccio "was hired for minor on-set punch-up work during our initial production period while Etan was not on location. If any writer was unaware of his involvement, we regret that."
But it seems Soccio was not well-known, and sources say his involvement has extended well beyond the initial production period. Cohen's spokesman tells THR via e-mail, "Etan is aware that Will Smith works with Mike Soccio," which doesn't quite address whether Cohen was aware that Soccio was functioning as a writer paid by the studio, working for months and turning in pages. Sources with knowledge of the situation say other writers on the project were unfamiliar with Soccio.
Soccio did seek a credit for work on Sony's 2010 remake of The Karate Kid, starring Smith's son Jaden Smith, but the Writers Guild recognized only Christopher Murphey.
1:50 AM 3/31/2011 by Kim Masters
Mike Soccio is working on the threequel, but the new THR reports that co-writers aren’t clear who he is.
Screenwriter Mike Soccio has no significant movie credits. But that doesn't mean he hasn't worked on some major films, including Sony's upcoming Men in Black threequel. This comes as news to other writers on the film, who don't quite seem to know who Soccio is -- even though he has been working on the project for months, according to sources familiar with the production.
As THR previously reported, MIB3 went into production in November for a planned May 2012 release, despite Sony not having a script that met with star Will Smith's approval. The studio's very unusual plan was to begin filming the first act based on a screenplay by Etan Cohen (Tropic Thunder). Then the production was to go into hiatus from December through mid-February to allow time for the rest of the script to be rewritten.
Even as filming began on the $200 million-plus project, Sony brought in screenwriter Jeff Nathanson (Catch Me If You Can). Then David Koepp, who did uncredited work on the first MIB, took a crack at the script. More recently, sources say, Cohen went back to work on the project.
Still, Sony did not have a script that pleased Smith, so the studio pushed back resumption of production to March 28. Studio spokesman Steve Elzer says production has begun again.
Although Soccio has not been credited, a source familiar with the situation says he has worked on many Smith films. What's unclear is exactly how much work Soccio has done on the upcoming MIB and why his presence seems to be so below the radar that other MIBwriters weren't told about him. While other comic actors -- Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler-- regularly bring in particular writers who have a way of capturing their voices, "I've never heard of it being kept sort of quiet," one agent says.
Soccio, his agency UTA and manager Jared Hoffman at Generate, declined to be interviewed.
Soccio and Smith go all the way back to Smith's days on The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. (Soccio wrote several episodes of the series, pictured below, and made an onscreen appearance in 1995.) It's not clear whether Soccio has sought a credit on any of Smith's movies, but if Sony failed to provide his name in connection with MIB3, then it might violate WGA rules requiring studios to notify writers of others who are currently working on or previously have worked on a particular project.
But it's unlikely any of the other writers would care to make an issue of it. (After all, Koepp -- to give an example -- pulled down more than $250,000 a week for his services.)
In an e-mailed statement, Sony says Cohen and "other writers" were aware that Soccio "is a long-time and well-known collaborator on Will's projects." The studio adds that Soccio "was hired for minor on-set punch-up work during our initial production period while Etan was not on location. If any writer was unaware of his involvement, we regret that."
But it seems Soccio was not well-known, and sources say his involvement has extended well beyond the initial production period. Cohen's spokesman tells THR via e-mail, "Etan is aware that Will Smith works with Mike Soccio," which doesn't quite address whether Cohen was aware that Soccio was functioning as a writer paid by the studio, working for months and turning in pages. Sources with knowledge of the situation say other writers on the project were unfamiliar with Soccio.
Soccio did seek a credit for work on Sony's 2010 remake of The Karate Kid, starring Smith's son Jaden Smith, but the Writers Guild recognized only Christopher Murphey.
#145
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Oh yeah this is gonna end well. 
Maybe Sonnenfeld's untalented, bloated ass will implode and we'll never have to endure another movie from that hack.

Maybe Sonnenfeld's untalented, bloated ass will implode and we'll never have to endure another movie from that hack.
#146
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Sonnenfeld ---> not a hack.
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So what is the defintion of hack when it comes to Sonnenfeld?
He has directed very good movies and a few tv shows.
Director:
Men in Black III (2012) (filming)
"Funny in Farsi" (2010) TV series (unknown episodes)
The Bridget Show (2009) (TV)
"Notes from the Underbelly" (6 episodes, 2007-2008)
Hackett (2008) (TV)
"Suburban Shootout" (2008) TV series (unknown episodes)
"Pushing Daisies" (2 episodes, 2007)
- Dummy (2007) TV episode
- Pie-lette (2007) TV episode
RV (2006)
Men in Black II (2002)
Big Trouble (2002)
The Tick" (1 episode, 2001)
Wild Wild West (1999)
"Maximum Bob" (1 episode, 1998)
- Pilot (1998) TV episode
Men in Black (1997)
... aka "MIB" - USA (promotional abbreviation)
Get Shorty (1995)
Addams Family Values (1993)
For Love or Money (1993)
The Addams Family (1991)
He has directed very good movies and a few tv shows.
Director:
Men in Black III (2012) (filming)
"Funny in Farsi" (2010) TV series (unknown episodes)
The Bridget Show (2009) (TV)
"Notes from the Underbelly" (6 episodes, 2007-2008)
Hackett (2008) (TV)
"Suburban Shootout" (2008) TV series (unknown episodes)
"Pushing Daisies" (2 episodes, 2007)
- Dummy (2007) TV episode
- Pie-lette (2007) TV episode
RV (2006)
Men in Black II (2002)
Big Trouble (2002)
The Tick" (1 episode, 2001)
Wild Wild West (1999)
"Maximum Bob" (1 episode, 1998)
- Pilot (1998) TV episode
Men in Black (1997)
... aka "MIB" - USA (promotional abbreviation)
Get Shorty (1995)
Addams Family Values (1993)
For Love or Money (1993)
The Addams Family (1991)
#149
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Sonnenfeld --> Living definition of a hack
He made one semi-decent move in the first "Men In Black". The Addams Family movies were all art design and exquisite acting in search of a story that was anemic at best. "Wild Wild West"? Nuff Said. "Get Shorty" was nowhere near as deft, clever, or slick as it thought itself was. Sonnenfeld's amateurish, ham-fisted direction totally got in the way of Elmore Leonard's style and dialogue. And then we got Men In Black 2 and RV... yeah he's a modern day Sam Fuller.
He made one semi-decent move in the first "Men In Black". The Addams Family movies were all art design and exquisite acting in search of a story that was anemic at best. "Wild Wild West"? Nuff Said. "Get Shorty" was nowhere near as deft, clever, or slick as it thought itself was. Sonnenfeld's amateurish, ham-fisted direction totally got in the way of Elmore Leonard's style and dialogue. And then we got Men In Black 2 and RV... yeah he's a modern day Sam Fuller.
#150
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I disagree.




