Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > Entertainment Discussions > Movie Talk
Reload this Page >

The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Community
Search
Movie Talk A Discussion area for everything movie related including films In The Theaters

The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-18-10 | 06:17 AM
  #1101  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 42,118
Received 1,445 Likes on 1,122 Posts
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I really hope the Hugo Strange rumour is true. That's a character that could really fit into the quasi-Real World approach of the Nolan-verse Batflicks.
Old 11-18-10 | 07:10 AM
  #1102  
Senior Member
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I never cared for Hugo Strange. Sort of a weak Batman villain. But if Nolan works his magic he could do something with him. But Nolan said this will be the end. Hugo Strange is a villain of the week or fill-in comic character with weak story lines. Filler material. Having him as the final villain for the Nolan universe doesn't sound very good to me. Maybe if he creates the venom that results in Bane being in the film ... now that could work. Mixing Hugo Strange and Hush together or something. I just don't know. He'd have to be reinvisioned, made darker, and do something really terrible and personal to Batman to merit being the final villain. Perhaps he will go after / kidnap / kill Alfred?

EDIT: For those of you that have Batman: The Animated Series - Volume 2 or the complete series. See episode 37 "The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne" to see this guy in action. But even on that show they realized how weak / lame he was so they added The Joker, Two-Face and the Penguin in the plot.

Last edited by DarkRavenII; 11-18-10 at 07:17 AM.
Old 11-18-10 | 08:09 AM
  #1103  
fumanstan's Avatar
DVD Talk Godfather
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 55,349
Received 27 Likes on 15 Posts
From: Irvine, CA
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by DarkRavenII
I never cared for Hugo Strange. Sort of a weak Batman villain. But if Nolan works his magic he could do something with him. But Nolan said this will be the end. Hugo Strange is a villain of the week or fill-in comic character with weak story lines. Filler material. Having him as the final villain for the Nolan universe doesn't sound very good to me. Maybe if he creates the venom that results in Bane being in the film ... now that could work. Mixing Hugo Strange and Hush together or something. I just don't know. He'd have to be reinvisioned, made darker, and do something really terrible and personal to Batman to merit being the final villain. Perhaps he will go after / kidnap / kill Alfred?

EDIT: For those of you that have Batman: The Animated Series - Volume 2 or the complete series. See episode 37 "The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne" to see this guy in action. But even on that show they realized how weak / lame he was so they added The Joker, Two-Face and the Penguin in the plot.
Huh, I never the series and don't remember the guy at all. Thanks for the tip on that.
Old 11-18-10 | 08:15 AM
  #1104  
Deftones's Avatar
DVD Talk God
 
Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 83,601
Received 2,060 Likes on 1,388 Posts
From: Arizona
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Hugo Strange was only a good villain because he could get the other villains to go after batman. Will be interesting to see where they go with him.
Old 11-18-10 | 08:25 AM
  #1105  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 2,504
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
From: United States
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Deftones
Hugo Strange was only a good villain because he could get the other villains to go after batman. Will be interesting to see where they go with him.
It's just a rumor...
Old 11-18-10 | 11:47 AM
  #1106  
Deftones's Avatar
DVD Talk God
 
Joined: Oct 1999
Posts: 83,601
Received 2,060 Likes on 1,388 Posts
From: Arizona
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

thank you for pointing that out.
Old 11-18-10 | 12:34 PM
  #1107  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 24,460
Received 438 Likes on 341 Posts
From: Daytona Beach, FL
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I have to say that if nothing else, Nolan has proven himself a fan of the comics by mostly utlizing lesser know characters such as Zsasz (very brief, but present nonetheless), Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, and now Hugo Strange for his movies. Heck, even Two-Face was not that well known to people who just followed Batman casually. Joker was great in the second one, but Nolan used him because he realized a full Batman story could not be told without him.

As I have said before, this whole arc is about the early days of Batman when all is said and done.
Old 11-18-10 | 01:09 PM
  #1108  
nando820's Avatar
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,594
Received 45 Likes on 31 Posts
From: Melbourne, FL
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I kinda want to see Catwoman but I know i'll be happy with the end product regardless if Nolan takes it from the front or back, he'll sweep me of my feet again
Old 11-18-10 | 03:21 PM
  #1109  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 11,957
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
From: Pa
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by nando820
I kinda want to see Catwoman but I know i'll be happy with the end product regardless if Nolan takes it from the front or back, he'll sweep me of my feet again
Doesn't Catwomen show up in one of the Hugo Strange stories? I know Scarecrow does, and I'm sure Nolan would love to have Cillian back.

BTW, Hugo Strange will also has a role in Arkham City, the sequel to Arkham Asylum. He was in Batman: TAS, as previously mentioned, as well as Justice League as a member of the Doomsday Sanction.
Old 11-18-10 | 04:03 PM
  #1110  
Mike86's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 25,735
Received 1,410 Likes on 1,087 Posts
From: South Dakota
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I have to say that if nothing else, Nolan has proven himself a fan of the comics by mostly utlizing lesser know characters such as Zsasz (very brief, but present nonetheless), Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, and now Hugo Strange for his movies. Heck, even Two-Face was not that well known to people who just followed Batman casually. Joker was great in the second one, but Nolan used him because he realized a full Batman story could not be told without him.

As I have said before, this whole arc is about the early days of Batman when all is said and done.
I don't know if I agree with that. Maybe the Harvey Dent aspect which was what we mostly saw in The Dark Knight, but I'd say Two-Face is one of the better known Batman villains to casuals. I do agree though it is nice to see Nolan using other lesser known villains such as Ras and Scarecrow thus far.

As far as the rumor for Strange I don't mind it. He isn't personally my favorite of the Batman villains but he is realistic enough to work for Nolan's Batman series. I think it would be better if they added another villain along with him though if this is the route they choose to go.
Old 11-18-10 | 04:12 PM
  #1111  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,290
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Hugo Strange would be awesome. I never heard of him and I didn't know he was in Batman comics since 1940. It would be a great choice, especially if it was Tom Hardy in the role.
Old 11-18-10 | 05:05 PM
  #1112  
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 39,239
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
From: Formerly known as "Solid Snake PAC"/Denton, Tx
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I have to say that if nothing else, Nolan has proven himself a fan of the comics by mostly utlizing lesser know characters such as Zsasz (very brief, but present nonetheless), Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, and now Hugo Strange for his movies. Heck, even Two-Face was not that well known to people who just followed Batman casually. Joker was great in the second one, but Nolan used him because he realized a full Batman story could not be told without him.

As I have said before, this whole arc is about the early days of Batman when all is said and done.
Isn't it just a rumor for right now?
Old 11-18-10 | 05:31 PM
  #1113  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 11,957
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
From: Pa
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Yea, just a rumor, like Knightley having a chance at being in the movie. I'd die a little if she actually gets a part.


Someone on another board mentioned something interesting, well enough to stop and make you think.

Batman Begins: Bruce Wayne calls the party guests "Two-Faced" and we see a 'Joker card' at the end. Major Villians in the TDK: Joker/Two Face

The Dark Knight: During the bank heist Joker mentions what doesn't kill you, only makes you "Stranger". Fox tells Bruce that his armor can withstand a 'Cat'.

Wouldn't that be something if it's Hugo Strange/Catwoman all along?
Old 11-18-10 | 05:39 PM
  #1114  
Groucho's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Mar 2000
Posts: 71,383
Received 130 Likes on 92 Posts
From: Salt Lake City, Utah
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Also, in The Dark Knight you can see a crock pot in Rachel's apartment, as well as a Harlequin romance novel.
Old 11-18-10 | 06:39 PM
  #1115  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 11,957
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
From: Pa
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Groucho
Also, in The Dark Knight you can see a crock pot in Rachel's apartment, as well as a Harlequin romance novel.
Rachel's apartment? Is this the XXX version?
Old 11-18-10 | 06:43 PM
  #1116  
PopcornTreeCt's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 25,913
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

The cat reference in The Dark Knight was deliberate.
Old 11-18-10 | 07:22 PM
  #1117  
TheMovieman's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 13,595
Received 302 Likes on 242 Posts
From: Oregon
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by DthRdrX
Rachel's apartment? Is this the XXX version?
Guess so because I don't remember it in the theatrical version...

Oh, I see what he was doing there... Nice try Groucho but a big old fail for you.
Old 11-18-10 | 07:38 PM
  #1118  
gryffinmaster's Avatar
DVD Talk Reviewer
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 6,552
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
From: Ancient City
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Hugo Strange is an intriguing character on paper, and could fit in swimmingly within Nolan's universe. Can't really piece the whole Hardy / Bronson / Strange puzzle together in my mind yet, but I dig the character's potential and the actor behind him (if, of course, this end up being more than a rumor).

Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
The cat reference in The Dark Knight was deliberate.
Deliberate? Yes. Whether it's a hint or just a tongue-in-cheek wink to the audience -- which is how I took it -- remains to be seen.
Old 11-18-10 | 08:27 PM
  #1119  
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 39,239
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
From: Formerly known as "Solid Snake PAC"/Denton, Tx
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I thought it was a nod to Batman Returns specifically.

Check it at 1:22...

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xGZnDtxVuwY?fs=1&hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xGZnDtxVuwY?fs=1&hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Last edited by Solid Snake; 11-18-10 at 08:39 PM.
Old 11-19-10 | 04:50 AM
  #1120  
Josh-da-man's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 49,397
Received 4,465 Likes on 2,941 Posts
From: The Bible Belt
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
I have to say that if nothing else, Nolan has proven himself a fan of the comics by mostly utlizing lesser know characters such as Zsasz (very brief, but present nonetheless), Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, and now Hugo Strange for his movies. Heck, even Two-Face was not that well known to people who just followed Batman casually. Joker was great in the second one, but Nolan used him because he realized a full Batman story could not be told without him.
Two-Face was in Batman Forever, and I'd say that he's probably the third best known villain in Batman's rogues gallery, after The Joker and The Penguin... and I might even put him ahead of the Penguin.

Last edited by Josh-da-man; 11-19-10 at 07:24 AM.
Old 11-19-10 | 05:13 AM
  #1121  
kstublen's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,631
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Florida
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Eh, I think Catwoman is pretty well known. Probably even more so than Two-Face or The Penguin, but definitely not as well known as The Joker.
Old 11-19-10 | 07:20 AM
  #1122  
Josh-da-man's Avatar
DVD Talk Hero
 
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 49,397
Received 4,465 Likes on 2,941 Posts
From: The Bible Belt
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by kstublen
Eh, I think Catwoman is pretty well known. Probably even more so than Two-Face or The Penguin, but definitely not as well known as The Joker.
Catwoman hasn't really been a "villain" for a long time, so I don't think of her as being in Batman's rogues gallery. Though it's not something that people who don't follow comics would necessarily be aware of.

If Catwoman were to show up in a Nolanverse Batman movie, I would expect her to be a romantic interest/rival for Bruce and not an actual villain. As in the comics, she would best be served as being a morally ambiguous mercenary that shares a mutual attraction with Batman than someone who's going to team up with the Joker to kill him.

Last edited by Josh-da-man; 11-19-10 at 07:31 AM.
Old 11-19-10 | 07:32 AM
  #1123  
kstublen's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 7,631
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
From: Florida
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
Catwoman hasn't really been a "villain" for a long time, so I don't think of her as being in Batman's rogues gallery. Though it's something that the average person might not be aware of.

If Catwoman were to show up in a Batman movie, I would expect her to be a romantic interest/rival for Bruce than a villain. As in the comics, she would best be served as being a morally ambiguous mercenary than someone who's going to team up with the Joker to kill Batman.
Yeah, you're right. I should've been a little clearer in that she isn't a traditional villain; sometimes romantic interest, sometimes ally, sometimes criminal, etc.
Old 11-19-10 | 07:45 AM
  #1124  
TGM's Avatar
TGM
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 17,093
Received 474 Likes on 295 Posts
From: Massachusetts
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

I'm sure Haley Berry's box office bomb as Catwoman also plays into their decision not to incorporate her into this. That character has been far too over-exposed, and never in a good way.

I've changed my stance on the Penguin however... IMO Joker and Penquin have always been Batman villains 1a and 1b respectively. If this is really going to be the last Nolan Batman, I think I am disappointed that the Penguin won't be in it.
Old 11-19-10 | 04:30 PM
  #1125  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 11,957
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
From: Pa
re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)

Originally Posted by TallGuyMe
I'm sure Haley Berry's box office bomb as Catwoman also plays into their decision not to incorporate her into this. That character has been far too over-exposed, and never in a good way.

I've changed my stance on the Penguin however... IMO Joker and Penquin have always been Batman villains 1a and 1b respectively. If this is really going to be the last Nolan Batman, I think I am disappointed that the Penguin won't be in it.
Dude, I don't think more than 50 people even saw Catwoman lol.

The top villains to me were always Joker, Penguin, Catwoman and Riddler, though today I'd also put Two Face and 'maybe' Bane on the list.

I still wouldn;t discount a mob boss Penguin btw.


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.