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d2cheer 06-29-12 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11288534)
Are you talking to me? I was just making fun of the haters in the Spider-Man thread who have been hating on that movie since day one. Now that the movie is getting positive reviews they won't admit that maybe they were wrong and it is a good movie, but rather they say its just because those critics are studio plants and/or don't know what they are talking about.

:lol: Critics decide what a good movie is? They usually offer an informed opinion. That is all. Some don't even seem to bother actually watching the movie before spouting off that it is good or bad. I am stunned that so many think they matter... great gig if you can get it. I would love to watch movies and comment on them and get paid to boot. For any number of films where you say they helped a movie positive or negative you can find an equal number where they didn't help.

kgrogers1979 06-29-12 11:39 AM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by d2cheer (Post 11289866)
:lol: Critics decide what a good movie is? They usually offer an informed opinion. That is all. Some don't even seem to bother actually watching the movie before spouting off that it is good or bad. I am stunned that so many think they matter... great gig if you can get it. I would love to watch movies and comment on them and get paid to boot. For any number of films where you say they helped a movie positive or negative you can find an equal number where they didn't help.


WHOOSH

That was the sound of my post going completely over your head. I wasn't debating whether or not "professional" critics matter. That wasn't the point at all. Yes, I know critics just give their opinion like everyone else, which is why you should find a critic whose opinion matches your own and just go with that. My point was that people have been hating on the Spider-Man film since day one, and no matter what you do they will never admit they are wrong and that maybe the film is good afterall. The film is getting tons of good reviews and the haters still dismiss them all. It also isn't just "professional" critics. Other people have seen it and liked it as well. Several people over on the CBR forums have seen it.

Matthew Chmiel 06-29-12 11:51 AM

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TDK also did $18.5 million at midnight back in 2008, which at that time, was nearly unheard of.

As it stands for what holds the record now:

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 did $43.5 million at midnight, but had 2D, 3D and IMAX 3D showings available.

The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 1 did $30.3 million at midnight whereas it only had 2D showings available.

It could easily beat Twilight, but the lack of a 3D surcharge hurts its chances from being number one.

argh923 06-29-12 12:03 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by kgrogers1979 (Post 11288534)
Are you talking to me? I was just making fun of the haters in the Spider-Man thread who have been hating on that movie since day one. Now that the movie is getting positive reviews they won't admit that maybe they were wrong and it is a good movie, but rather they say its just because those critics are studio plants and/or don't know what they are talking about.

Because it doesn't matter. Critics liking the movie doesn't mean it doesn't still look like shit. I don't let other people make my decisions for me. It still looks awful.

kgrogers1979 06-29-12 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by argh923 (Post 11289951)
Because it doesn't matter. Critics liking the movie doesn't mean it doesn't still look like shit. I don't let other people make my decisions for me. It still looks awful.

-rolleyes-

Of course, I don't let others make decisions for me either. If a movie interests me I will go see it regardless of the reviews, and if I don't have interest in the movie I won't see it no matter what.

However, looks can be deceiving. You shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Yes, a lot of the pre-release stuff did look bad. I already said two posts ago that it isn't just critics, but other people have seen and liked it as well too. Yes, you shouldn't let others make decisions for you, but to say a movie is bad when 90% of the reviews have been positive is pretty idiotic. Maybe you have no interest in it personally, but don't say its a bad movie just because it doesn't interest you. It clearly interested 90% of the people who have seen it. Don't confuse a subjective thing like your own personal interest in the movie over whether or not the movie is objectively good or bad. If 90% of the audience liked it, it is objectively good regardless of whether or not you liked it personally.

pinata242 06-29-12 12:16 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Matthew Chmiel (Post 11289932)
TDK also did $18.5 million at midnight back in 2008, which at that time, was nearly unheard of.

As it stands for what holds the record now:

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2 did $43.5 million at midnight, but had 2D, 3D and IMAX 3D showings available.

The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part 1 did $30.3 million at midnight whereas it only had 2D showings available.

It could easily beat Twilight, but the lack of a 3D surcharge hurts its chances from being number one.

Not only this, but entire theaters were showing HP7.2. With the digital showings taking over and no longer being restricted by physical prints, 4 midnight sold-out showings exploded to 20 nearly-simultaneous showings.

I don't see TDKR doing HP7.2 numbers just due to the scale, but it'll blow away TDK's take.

RocShemp 07-02-12 04:55 PM

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Solid Snake 07-02-12 06:12 PM

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Wait they combined a batman theme w/ Alien Resurrection? Kind of sounds cool though. Good fake.

Nick Martin 07-02-12 07:00 PM

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minute-long samples of the score were released today, and they sound like a jumbled mess. I know Zimmer's albums are all basically edited suites instead of full cues, and it really shows in the samples because they are all over the place and very incoherent.

Of course on some messageboards (that will remain nameless) fans are cumming all over themselves with the samples and have done so back when the first 30 second-long samples came.

Solid Snake 07-02-12 07:24 PM

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official synopsis from WB:


It has been eight years since Batman vanished into the night, turning, in that instant, from hero to fugitive. Assuming the blame for the death of D.A. Harvey Dent, the Dark Knight sacrificed everything for what he and Commissioner Gordon both hoped was the greater good. For a time the lie worked, as criminal activity in Gotham City was crushed under the weight of the anti-crime Dent Act.

But everything will change with the arrival of a cunning cat burglar with a mysterious agenda. Far more dangerous, however, is the emergence of Bane, a masked terrorist whose ruthless plans for Gotham drive Bruce out of his self-imposed exile. But even if he dons the cape and cowl again, Batman may be no match for Bane.

gryffinmaster 07-02-12 07:26 PM

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Interesting. Sounds like the film really will start at the eight-years-later point.

Solid Snake 07-02-12 07:31 PM

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I assumed that...what gets my interest is that..Bats in a self-imposed exile. Hrmmmm.

gryffinmaster 07-02-12 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11293511)
I assumed that...what gets my interest is that..Bats in a self-imposed exile. Hrmmmm.

Hmm. I was still curious whether the beginning of the film would start shortly after The Dark Knight, then lead into the time period eight years after. Going by the synopsis, there might not be any transition. Ah, speculation.

Soon. Soon.

Solid Snake 07-02-12 07:37 PM

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I can't wait to see this bitch in IMAX.

redrum 07-02-12 07:43 PM

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My most anticipated film ever

Troy Stiffler 07-02-12 07:46 PM

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I must say that I'm excited to see this. Last one I remember like this was Avatar. I think I'm going to grab an Imax ticket opening night or maybe do the whole marathon thing.

Nick Martin 07-02-12 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by gryffinmaster (Post 11293513)
Hmm. I was still curious whether the beginning of the film would start shortly after The Dark Knight, then lead into the time period eight years after. Going by the synopsis, there might not be any transition. Ah, speculation.

Soon. Soon.

I think both are true, because of the Prologue which opened with new dialogue from Dent's memorial which then stops and the Bane sequence starts.

Dr. DVD 07-02-12 08:51 PM

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When I re-watch the prologue, I start to make sense of what's happening.

Spoiler:
Gordon speaks of it "being a while before someone inspires us like he (Dent) did". It then immediately cuts to the intro of Bane. I am thinking Bane starts to inspire people like Dent, but in a totally opposite nature. This will lead to all of the riot scenes we see in the previews.
This movie also seems to have a whole haves vs. have nots theme, which will make it pretty dang timely for America.

Nick Martin 07-02-12 09:01 PM

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Yeah there's a scene that runs throughout the trailers of a fancy place being destroyed and things thrown all over the place, people being dragged from under dressers, etc and the Nokia trailer added to it by showing a large mob approaching a fancy hotel.

bootsy 07-02-12 09:35 PM

Re: The Dark Knight Rises (Nolan)
 

Originally Posted by Nick Martin (Post 11293472)
minute-long samples of the score were released today, and they sound like a jumbled mess. I know Zimmer's albums are all basically edited suites instead of full cues, and it really shows in the samples because they are all over the place and very incoherent.

Of course on some messageboards (that will remain nameless) fans are cumming all over themselves with the samples and have done so back when the first 30 second-long samples came.

Don't know what you are talking about. The soundtracks sounds awesome. Where are you picking up that it sounds like a jumbled mess? Sounds like you just want to hate on something and you found it.

Nick Martin 07-02-12 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bootsy (Post 11293628)
Don't know what you are talking about. The soundtracks sounds awesome. Where are you picking up that it sounds like a jumbled mess? Sounds like you just want to hate on something and you found it.

Spoken like a true hyperbole-filled Zimmer nut. Run into them all the fucking time.

I don't want to 'hate' on anything and I'm doing nothing of the sort, and love both of Zimmer's Batman scores. Seems with Zimmer fans if you don't love and worship him and is music, then you have to just fuck off for being a 'hater'.

I'm saying that it's obvious these are largely made up of several pieces of the score stitched together to form suites, just like the majority of Zimmer's albums appear to be, only this time they don't seem stitched together well at all. They seem too disconnected and incoherent. If the score is anything like the actual complete cues written for the previous films, the music doesn't really sound like it does on the album and hearing the score in the film will reflect that.

DJariya 07-02-12 10:24 PM

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I picked up The Matrix BD today at Best Buy for $9.99 and there was a $5 Hollywood Movie Money coupon to see this. I'm more than happy to pay money to see this. It's one of my most anticated movies of 2012, so the $5 is nice discount. But I wonder if there is any rhyme or reason for WB only giving a partial discount as opposed to a full $10 off discount like other Movie Cash coupons.

I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but dang, I saw that the running time is 165 minutes. -eek- Better make sure not to buy/drink any sodas before it.

Deftones 07-02-12 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC (Post 11293518)
I can't wait to see this bitch in IMAX.

Yep. My first real Imax movie. I'm excited. :up:

Nick Martin 07-02-12 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DJariya (Post 11293674)
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but dang, I saw that the running time is 165 minutes.

Yeah, 2 hours, 45 minutes has been confirmed for a little while now.

bootsy 07-02-12 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nick Martin (Post 11293668)
Spoken like a true hyperbole-filled Zimmer nut. Run into them all the fucking time.

I don't want to 'hate' on anything and I'm doing nothing of the sort, and love both of Zimmer's Batman scores. Seems with Zimmer fans if you don't love and worship him and is music, then you have to just fuck off for being a 'hater'.

I'm saying that it's obvious these are largely made up of several pieces of the score stitched together to form suites, just like the majority of Zimmer's albums appear to be, only this time they don't seem stitched together well at all. They seem too disconnected and incoherent. If the score is anything like the actual complete cues written for the previous films, the music doesn't really sound like it does on the album and hearing the score in the film will reflect that.

Yes I'm a Zimmer nut -rolleyes- I mean who likes the soundtracks he's done over the years. He's only one of the best out there. Listening to some samples and judging off of that makes your opinion irrelevant.


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