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That's the scene devilshalo was mentioning in the post above yours.

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I suggested Rise of the Dark Knight earlier in this thread but most people agreed it sounds like Bats just got a boner.

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I remember before the official title was announced, some fans were lobbying for calling it The Prince of Gotham. I actually like that title (Falcone even referes to Bruce by such a title in BB) but I doubt it would have been particularly marketable.

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that'd be horrible too

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That sounds like an incredibly corny title.

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I remember that, too. That's just as bad as the Gotham City title that was floating around in those mock posters.

I always hated the Joker's nickname of the Clown Prince of Crime. That Prince of Gotham crap would've made me think that all the time.

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I would've loved it to be just....The Batman

Solid definitive and all that good shit. Sounds serious too.

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WB probably didn't want to confuse people with the animated series of the same name.

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What are the ratings on that btw? It doesn't interest me in any form...so that's why I never watched it.

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So...will Cillian Murphy have a cameo in "The Dark Knight Rises"? I've heard rumors. His cameo in the second movie was nifty.

Batman (to the Batman-Wannabes): "I don't need help!"
Scarecrow: "Not my diagnosis."

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It was a fun show. Nothing groundbreaking but fun nonetheless.

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I always liked Shadow of the Bat as a title. It was the name of a comic book series in the 1990s as well.

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The third trailer will be attatched to The Avengers:

http://i.imgur.com/lmbzR.png

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Yea. Anyways.... this movie already has staleness to it. Clayface should have been the villain. To cinematize him especially with a realistic slant would have been revolutionary. And have it NOT be a terrorist leader for once.

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There have actually been six different Clayfaces.

The original Clayface from the 1940s actually was "realistic" in that he had no powers. He was a stage actor who performed in a play called Clayface in which he was murderer with a face made of clay. When his play was canceled, he went crazy and started killing people for real.

The second Clayface, and the one most commonly known, didn't originate until the 1960s. He was the first one with the clay-morphing powers.

The third Clayface, and my personal favorite, was slightly more "realistic" in that he didn't have the clay-morphing powers. He was born with deformities, and he took a blood sample from the second Clayface in hopes of using it to cure himself but instead it turned his skin into a clay-like substance. He can't morph, but his skin melts whatever it touches. So he has to wear a special exoskeleton. He also is batshit insane. He fell in love with a department store mannequin that he named Helen, after his girlfriend that he accidentally melted. He's actually one really creepy dude, and I would love to see him in a movie.

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Clayface wouldn't make sense in a Nolanverse film.

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There's more than one Clayface, like I already explained.

The original Clayface, Basil Karlo, was just an actor gone insane. He had no powers. He would definitely work in a "realistic" Nolan movie.

Preston Payne, the third Clayface, could also work with some minor tinkering. If Nolan's idea of realism includes Scarecrow's fear gas and Bane's Venom, then Preston's attempt to cure his childhood disease which backfired and caused his skin to become like melted clay would work.

Matt Hagen, the second Clayface that is most commonly known for his morphing powers, wouldn't work of course.

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If you want to check it out rent the Batman Vs. Dracula movie. It's pretty dark and violent. It's not as good as The Return of the Joker of Mask of the Phantasm but still good. I wasn't interested in the series until I saw this movie.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472219/

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I may have to check it out.

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If you bring Clayface to life in a movie for the mainstream. You go w/ morphing Clayface. There's no other way. He is one character I'd love to see but again..he doesn't fit w/ Nolan. I'd also have a bias on the voice. Ron Perlman was amazing as Clayface. He's too much for Nolan's "real" and desire to bring the fans the things they love but w/ his tweak on them.

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Agreed. If Clayface would be a choice to use for a villain, I'd want to see him as the full-blown character we know today with the morphing abilities and all that. I understand the character was more down to earth to begin with and could probably be used with tweaking but still.

Bane is actually a decent choice for being the main villain if you ask me. He was so wrongly used in Batman & Robin and was basically just a joke. Bane actually is a pretty good character when he's used properly though.

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Agreed as well.

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Why? Because he is the one most familiar with the general audience?

Its not like the general audience really knew who Scarecrow or Ra's al Ghul were before Batman Begins. Its not like the general audience really knows who Bane is other than Schumacher's retarded bastardization of the character.

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I don't think that's really the main reason he was going for. I've read some of the old issues with the original Clayface. He was okay but nothing really overly special. If they were going to use him as a villain it'd probably be better suited as a side villain in my opinion. The more known morphing Clayface would be much more interesting to see I personally feel and would be worthy of being a main villain.

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Well, with the original Clayface, you have to take into consideration that those original stories from the 1940s are extremely dated now and don't hold up that well. Those very early stories are collected in those hardcover DC Archive books, which I have read, and while I did enjoy them for what they once were they don't hold up well today. Heck, even Stan Lee's writing in the 1960s is very dated and hard to get into for a newcomer.

He was obviously a good enough villain to inspire a bunch of other Clayfaces. Five others in fact. Matt Hagen, the most commonly known one, created in the 1960s with the clay-morphing powers. Preston Payne, the third one with the melting skin, in the 1970s. Sondra Fuller, Lady Clay in the 1980s who was basically a female clone of Matt Hagen. Then Preston and Sondra hooked up and had a baby Clayface. Seriously, I'm not joking about that.

Have you read any stories with Preston Payne? As I mentioned earlier, he is by far my favorite, and it really makes me sad he never reached the same popularity as Matt Hagen. There was also a storyarc called the "Mud Pack" in the late 1980s which featured the first four Clayfaces teaming up. It was a great story.