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Get to da choppa!!!

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I'm not a Nolan fanboy. And I understood it fine in some of those bootlegs.

I think people just have a hard time w/ some levels of distortion/accents or whatever...I can hear what Bane says fine.

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rotfl

Are you serious? Making a character understandable is dumbing it down? That's so ridiculous it's almost sig-worthy.

I don't care if Bane is the fucking Bubble Boy, he needs to be understood. Otherwise the whole movie will be:

Batman: What is it you want?
Bane: Mrfl grggl.
Batman: Really?
Bane: Smsh bsh.
Batman: Well, I'd like to see you try!

That's not artistically daring. That's bad sound mixing. And if Bane really sounds like that in the final mix then The Dark Knight Rises will lose a lot of money.

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And people will make excuses and justifications for poor direction just because they liked something that a lot of other folks didn't. I think we all know opinions on these things are subjective. As for the fight scenes, I don't think it was shot from a villain's perspective at all, and as an avid comic book character it wasn't even close to the panel of a comic book. It was just a giant mess.

The funny thing is I LOVE Nolan's work. I loved Memento, Prestige, both Batman's, and Inception was one of my favorite films of last year. I'm not quite a Nolan fanboy, but I love everything the guy has put out and still think something like this is a big problem. Just because it's his stylistic choice and you can come up with a dozen reasons why Bane should talk the way he does doesn't mean it's a good thing for everyone else watching it. I like the accent, and I can see why it would be a bit muffled, but as is it seems way overkill and I can't imagine it being this bad adds anything to the movie.

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1) Your exaggerating to the point of absurdity. It's not that hard to understand.
2) The Dark Knight Rises will not lose money (much less a lot). That's also absurd.

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Its probably going to sounds more like:

Batman: What mmmmmeghhhh want?
Bane: Mrfl grggl.
Batman: rmmgmmh
Bane: Smsh bsh.
Batman: gggghhh Try

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:lol: :lol:

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Wow... another Nolan Batman film and you guys are going at it again.

Keep it up and I'll go all out on the knives once more!

I couldn't believe that worked so well last time. It derailed the quibbling for a few pages anyway. Funny thing was, after like 55 pages of heated and intense quibbling, many people remember my knife stuff most about that thread, and I was deliberately trolling.

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I took it as he meant losing ticket sales, not that it will lose money as a whole.

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:up::up: Yup.

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Yes, Yes, we all know people will pay for this no matter how absurd Nolan makes it based off the strength of TDK alone.

And since it's his last one ever he'll never even have to learn his lesson.

It's win win for him all around, basically.

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Nolan will never make another movie?

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Nope. He's done after this.

You didn't know?!

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1. It was that hard for me and a lot of other people to understand.

2. If Bane is really indecipherable, then either people will stupidly see it multiple times to try and understand it, or will not see it multiple times because they can't be bothered to see a movie where the villain can't be understood.

3. I wonder what kind of knives Bane will use.

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This is exaggeration, I'm sure he will be understood for the most part. Nolan has admitted they're still tweaking the sound mix, the movie is 6 months away from release. He's just saying they're not going to completely overhaul Bane's sound as a knee-jerk reaction. Any demand as such would be silly, we're making snap judgments off of one line in a trailer and a few more in a prologue. Personally, I didn't find Bane any harder to understand than Darth Vader, and both characters have a contextual reason to sound the way they do. There are a ton of films I see where I miss a line or two of dialogue, and I'm sure TDKR will be no different. It's not the end of the world, do you guys really think you're going to watch the movie without understanding the majority of what the villain is saying?


Right, it's completely subjective, but I sincerely preferred the fight scenes in Begins, I'm not making any excuses or justifications, that's just how I feel. As a professional video editor I really enjoyed the editing of the fight scenes, especially the dock scene. I preferred the more frenetic fight scenes in Begins because I thought the fights in TDK came across as slow and choreographed, except for the nightclub scene, the lighting did wonders there.

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The key to the new Batman movies is that the fight scenes don't really matter. It's the production design and the characters and the story. The action is just there to help that stuff along. Batman looking over Gotham from a high rise, or making a plan with Gordon was way cooler than any action could have been. Except maybe the semi flipover - that was rad. Action without story gets boring, fast.

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The fate of TDKR rests in the hands of DVD Talk's 5 or 6 members who actively post in this thread.

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Are you serious with this? Bane is a million times more incomprehensible than Darth Vader. This "I can hear it fine/You're all wrong" stuff is just getting ridiculous now.

If he doesn't fix Bane's voice? Then yes, obviously, since I couldn't understand half of what he said in the prologue and the lines I heard in the trailer I'd already read as transcribed here, so I already knew he would say going into it (and thus, don't trust myself to have actually understood it).

Some of you seem to think that some of us are kidding. We are not kidding. I, for one, can not understand Bane. He is speaking googly-garbage to my ears. And it's not his accent, for the millionth time.

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Ridiculous because some people actually can hear it fine and other's can't?

So it's ridiculous that some people don't have an issue because we're all supposed to?

Okay then.

Happy Holidays everyone.

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Agreed, as with any movie, the action scenes will always be more impactful and exciting if you're really invested in the story.



Why is it ridiculous? Why would we lie about being able to understand him?


Bane's voice doesn't need "fixing" but the crew is hard at work on ADR still. They have several months to tweak the audio and I'm sure that you'll understand most of the dialogue in the finished film. I'm just saying that Nolan shouldn't completely overhaul the character's voice due to fan reaction.

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...as is you saying something is a million times more than something else. Wasn't it only like, 500,654 times more incomprehensible? We'll have it looked in to. I'm going to need an exact figure before I waste anymore time worried about this issue.

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I dunno, perhaps because people are making comparisons to characters like Darth Vader and Jar Jar Binks in describing Bane's voice--characters that few people would ever say were difficult to understand.

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I explained that both characters have contextual reasons for sounding the way they do. They both have debilitating injuries that require devices that synthesize their voices and cause heavy, labored breathing. It's obvious they're channeling Vader's voice for their characterization of Bane. Who brought up Jar Jar Binks?

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They better be quality stuff or I'm unleashing hell up in this bitch!

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Just... wow.

Nothing is more compelling than a guy in a rubber bat suit standing around looking at buildings.

I'd LOVE to see you go into a video store and try to explain to them how Nolan's Batman movies don't belong in the action section.