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I saw the prologue this morning before MI IV. I wasn't impressed by what we saw so far online, but after seeing this in full IMAX, I got quite the opposite reaction. My wife was kind of "meh" about Bane, but really the Joker by comparison is iconic, whereas Bane elicits mostly questions as who the hell he is. So his first view doesn't hold that impact. I also understood all of Bane except for 2 lines when the end of the plane was blown open.

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mother fucker. went to see sherlock today, i was late by 2 minutes after the trailers started and this was the 1st one they showed. :sad:

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Wow,

I don't know if I just built it up too much, but that was severely underwhelming. The whole airplane heist seemed ludicrous just to be ludicrous, and I went in open-minded, but Bane was nigh incomprehensible! People weren't over-exaggerating at all about that shit. I hope Nolan always planned to redo his voice because if he was just going to let that go to theaters as it was I question his good judgement.

MI:4 was great, though.

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I still don't get the complaints with Bane's voice being hard to understand. I saw the trailer tonight in front of Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows and while he had only one line in the trailer I had no problem making it out :shrug:.

I said this earlier in the thread and I have a feeling it's going to hold true. Joker is a much more iconic villain where Bane is a more second tier villain. Comic fans will know who he is but the average viewer will probably just think it's some big guy and not anyone special (kind of like Ras and even Scarecrow in the first movie). Six minutes of seeing him isn't enough to truly introduce the character and have the audience instantly connect with him since a lot of them probably won't even know who he is. The Joker basically everyone knows.

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I'll need to see the prologue in theaters before I can give an honest assessment but right now put me in the severely underwhelmed crowd too.

I had gotten chills watching TDK prologue. A lot of that has to to do with the hype of The Joker I'm sure, but this didn't have that same feeling. All of Bane's guy's hijacking the outside of the plane just made me think of the old Batman TV show or even a movie like Batman & Robin when a villain just had a boatload of henchmen do his bidding. It came off as well, cheesy.

I'm still totally amped without a doubt, just so far that excitement I had back in December 2007 is not there.

I have to look at it this way - how much do I really care for Ra's al-Guhl or Scarecrow? Not much at all. They're not interesting to me.. but Batman Begins is one of the best movies in the past 10 years for me. I'm the same way about Bane and Catwoman. I don't care about either of them but if the movie can deliver to me the same type of impact that BB did then I'm good.

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Newsflash: It's because you only had to decipher one line. Some of us had to watch six minutes of that. It shouldn't even have to be a struggle to understand a main character in a movie. Just because some of you can, or pretend that you can, that doesn't mean that there isn't a problem.

Clearly a large number of people are having trouble understanding Bane. Coming into the thread saying "I can understand him! What's wrong with all of you?" does no one any favors.

There is a problem with Bane's voice. It needs to be fixed. It's as simple as that.

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I understood most of what he said based on a couple of bootlegs. Not everything, but most of it.

Obviously its not across-the-board with these things.

When it comes to comparing the TDK prologue and the recognizable aspect of Joker, its not exactly a fair comparison because there was also the immense scrutiny fans had about Heath Ledger playing the role so there was more of a stake in seeing how he could pull it off.

Then he died not long after (like a month or so) and the interest in Joker went through the roof.

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Lots of people have selective hearing and are having trouble focusing on dialogue over the sound effects in the other channels.

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:lol: Take it so personally why don't you? First off I'm not the only one who's mentioned that I didn't have a hard time understanding him so I don't get why you're choosing to attack me for it but whatever. Actually as I mentioned earlier in the thread I watched the bootleg upload of the prologue and didn't have that hard a time understanding him in that either and that was with rather shitty audio. I might have missed a couple words but it's not like he even had that many lines in the prologue either. It's not that bad but if everyone wants to get all up in arms over it I'm sure Nolan has time to fix it by July.

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Why even bother to edit your post?

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It's called an afterthought. That's what the edit button is for I'm fairly certain. Again attacking me for stupid reasons? I don't know what your deal is but I'm leaving it at this because this is just veering the thread off topic.

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Funny how you accuse me of attacking you (by asking a simple question) when your first post (before the first edit of three(!)) was an attack on me. Whatever, I'm used to it. You may as well have left it as it was.

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Missing a few words or understanding "most" of Bane's dialogue is still a bad thing.

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I said I wouldn't but I'm sorry..I attacked you when exactly? The first time I said that I didn't quote you specifically. I was mentioning it for people who said it in the thread not just you. Just because it came after your post doesn't mean it was aimed at you specifically. Settle down man cripes. Also what is your big issue with the fact I edited my post? Excuse me that I saw a typo and also wanted to add to my original thoughts afterwards. That's the point of an edit button. This time I'm done for good though just wanted to clarify for you that I didn't attack you.

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Agreed. However, I've missed a crapload of dialogue in films that people didn't complain about but ol' Batman comes along and everyone throws a fit.

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I imagine none of those films were as big as Batman.

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Exactly. I've missed lines of dialogue in other movies besides this due to the audio quality dropping out or scenes being overly loud with things being too busy in the background or whatever. It happens from time to time in movies that I'll miss lines it's not a huge deal. I guess Batman has to be perfection though or the fanboys will go throw a hissy over it.

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Well both Dragon Tattoo and Mike86 can go (....something or other....) and while you're both at it (...unintelligible...)

So there!

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Bane's dialogue isn't being missed due to "audio quality dropping out or scenes being overly loud with things being too busy in the background" so I'm not sure what your point is exactly. It's a problem with how his dialogue was created and recorded in the first place, which is a far bigger problem than any of the things you mentioned. I find it inconceivable that you actually seem unable to understand this.

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I'm not saying in this instance. I said that this has happened in other movies for me. I was agreeing with PopcornTreeCt's sentiments that dialogue gets missed in other movies but the fact that this is Batman and not perfect that people are throwing a fit.

Edit just for the fact that I can and apparently Dragon Tattoo will throw a fit over it because heaven forbid if you use the edit button!!

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Hey as long as Bane doesn't go around saying "BOMMMMBBB!" in every scene he's in then we're all better off.

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Fanboyism has nothing to do with it. Bane is just hard to understand from the clips we've seen and it sucks. It's not about Batman love or Nolan love or any sort of justification, its just about wanting to understand what the fuck he's saying.

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Why would people just arbitrarily single that out? It's not a common flaw in movies. The best people can come up with as a comparison is Benicio Del Toro in "The Usual Suspects" but even then that is an ancillary character who was intentionally written and performed to be hard to understand. I admittedly watched the prologue from that cellphone video but I didn't have any trouble understanding the guy from "The Wire".

It's kinda like Nolan's awful action scenes. Sometimes you have to acknowledge the fact that there are things commonly seen as flaws in these movies whether you like it or not. Nolan's critics aren't conspiring to highlight problems that aren't really there.

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Missing a line or two based on a technical flub or bad mix isn't so bad. The main villain of a film being unintelligible to some or most of the audience is a major problem. I mean, people already complain about Batman's voice in these movies. If Bane can't be understood, why even bother to see the film?

And as for why I felt underwhelmed, it wasn't just that The Joker is a major villain and Bane isn't. It's that I wasn't very impressed with the six minutes of Bane that I did see. The mask looked kind of silly, and he didn't appear very imposing. The sound stuff didn't help, of course.

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Fair enough I suppose. Batman's voice is something that's never really bothered me. I can see why it might some people but honestly he's trying to conceal his identity the best he can so changing his voice when he's Batman made sense to me even if it might sound somewhat silly.

For me Bane's mask isn't really an issue I guess. I wasn't that keen on it at first but it's grown on me and I think it fits the tone of Nolan's movies better than Bane's traditional luchador mask would have.

I can admit that The Dark Knight had the stronger prologue but I didn't think this one is terrible. Truthfully it doesn't really show enough to get a true sense of Bane as a character if you ask me. Where with The Joker it gave a good idea of what he was all about and was a pretty classic introduction to a classic villain. I still have high hopes for this movie though. Nolan isn't perfect by any means but I think for the most part he's done a respectable job with this franchise.