my understanding is that the scene is only featured in the documentary - 'You Will Believe: The Cinematic Saga of Superman' on Disc 13 of the Ultimate Superman Collection

ding ding ding ding.... we have a winner.... you are absolutely right and thats the problem with this character... he is just to powerful... you expect him to stop all dangers to humans... hell... lex will never really hurt superman... Batman and other superheroes can be killed and hurt bad... but hell if you get kryptonite off of him.. he is super again...hell in the movie they stabbed him badly... but once away from kryptonite... he is alive and healed.....

Please, no Lex creates a natural disaster and Supes has to stop it. Mr. Singer, we have seen this one time too many. Returns was a great homage to the original and you channeled Richard Donner well. Now do something original.

In all honesty, if you have the Superman Returns videogame, it has a great story set-up. It simply takes the premise that Superman has been around for a while and runs with it, giving him a rogues gallery consisting of Mongul, Metallo, and Luthor. You also get to battle a lot of creatures from Star Labs. Had they actually realized they had this power in the screenwriting, they could have done a much more action oriented movie.

I'm in the camp that thought Returns was pretty weak overall. I enjoyed it and it entertained me, to a point. I won't even bother going in to some of the glaring plotholes the film presented, I can only hope they learn from the mistakes and make a truly worthy sequel. I still think the best idea would be to use the Doomsday storyline. That would make one hell of a film if they did it with respect to the comic.

I believe you are right. I watched disc 13 the other day for the first time and was confused when I saw that scene since it was in neither version of part II.

I think they are making a Superman vs Doomsday animated movie. I would rather see it live action though.

I always wished they would make a trilogy of movies from the Death, Funeral, and Return of Superman storylines. Death with Superman and Doomsday killing each other. Funeral with the Eradicator Superman, Cyborg Superman, Superboy clone, and Steel. Return with the return of the real Superman. That would have made an awesome trilogy.

that would be great

refresh my memory... how did doomsday kill superman and how did superman come back to life

That's an interesting analysis TallGuyMe, because my single biggest complaint about SUPERMAN RETURNS is that Superman "didn't even do nothing" (to quote the kid in the street from Superman II).

Chris Reeve Superman: Clark Kent=wimpy/Superman=macho

Brandon Routh Superman: Clark Kent=wimpy/Superman=wimpy

It has been ages since I last read the comics. I mainly just remember reading Doomsday beating the living crap out of the entire JLA with one arm tied behind his back. Yes, he literally did have one arm tied behind his back for half the battle.

Doomsday's origin was explained in a later comic which I barely remember. Something about some dude on Krypton creating the ultimate lifeform. The dude would set the specimen loose in a hostile environment where it would get killed. The dude then regenerated it. Once regenerated, the specimen retained all the knowledge and experience of its previous life and became immune to whatever previously killed it (kind of like how the Borg adapt). Slowly, the specimen became more and more powerful and lived longer each time until it eventually became the "ultimate lifeform" or something.

Superman has this Kryptonian artifact called the Eradicator in the Fortress of Solitude. Somehow after Doomsday killed Superman, the Eradicator got his body and put him in some type of regeneration thing that looked like a bacta tank from Star Wars. It somehow brought Superman back to life. I don't remember much about it either.

but if superman was super how the hell did doomsday kill him

Because Doomsday was more super.

Seriously though, in the comics Superman could get his ass kicked by aliens/monsters that were more powerful than him. It is a misconception that kryptonite is the only thing that harms him.

Well, it didn't help that he got harmed by magic.

Doomsday used the Avada Kedavra spell on Superman.

Warners should just treat this like Universal is treating the Hulk.

It was also shown on the ABC cut that I have taped on Betamax somewhere in my home ....

Well, in defense of the main (most famous) members of JLA, he handed "Guy Gardner, Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Maxima, Fire, Ice, Guardian, and Bloodwynd" their ass on a platter.

I've been reading SUPERMAN comics for a couple of decades now...and I gotta tell ya, most of the stories simply suck. I don't think that any of the comics (excluding issues where Superman is a guest star, like THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS) come anywhere to approaching the movies in terms of character interest and quality.

We'll return to this thread in twenty five years, and I'll prove you wrong!

My intention isn't to defend SUPERMAN RETURNS, or convert those who dislike it. I know it has problems, and as far as superhero movies go, it's bound to disappoint those who want another SPIDER-MAN (which was far overrated, I believe).

But like THE GODFATHER III (another film which people seem to hate, but is still far better in terms of artistry and compelling drama than 90% of the Hollywood crap out there), films which fail short of their predecessor's high standards (meaning the first SUPERMAN and SUPERMAN II) are really given a lot of short-shrift, and time may tell whether the movie survives the knee-jerk negativity of the internet.

Back in the early eighties, fans complained about the long and languid Krypton scenes, the fact that Lex Luthor wasn't a mad scienties, as well as Superman actually banging Lois Lane in the sequel. Now, we think nothing of them because they fit within the version of Superman we now appreciate. It will probably be the same way with the kid: Superman has a son and that's now the hero we'll know.

Sorry for getting off-topic. Back to the main point, it will be great to see Superman flying yet again without the likes of Nic Cage, Tim Burton, McG or any other director who doesn't really know the character.

If you think the Superman comics suck, why have you kept reading them for decades?

Give it a few years. You must allow yourself time to mature and grow.

As one of the few who liked Returns, I don't want a reboot.

I know a lot more people who enjoyed Returns and that's something that can't be said about Hulk.

ditto & ditto.

I enjoy Luthor being the main villain. I think the Superman movies have tried to keep the universe they've created as far from a sci-fi film as possible. There are only two planets, Earth and Krypton. All elements must spring forth from them. Bringing in other worlds, aliens, multi-dimensional beings, etc., would only weaken the Superman universe that I have come to know and love so dearly (never read any of the comics).

There are plenty of other movies that deal with that stuff already. I like that the Superman movies play on the fact that Earth is pretty much like it is in reality, except it has Superman in it. Having a universe that is filled with mighty creatures really weakens the whole messiah complex that has been created.