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Old 07-12-06 | 11:30 PM
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Damn, Bryan Singer got truly flummoxed by the interviewer on how well POTC2 is doing at the box office:
Old 07-12-06 | 11:39 PM
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Hell, I was flummoxed at how well it did, and I don't have any vested interest in Superman.
Old 07-12-06 | 11:56 PM
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Damn, Bryan Singer got truly flummoxed by the interviewer on how well POTC2 is doing at the box office:
In his defense, we are not given the full context of the video. Anyone who has done public speaking, even professionally, knows that one can't always have the pat, perfect answer at all times. There are a bunch of internet junkies (not on this site, particularly) who delight in seeing him look like a fool, but I don't know if they would do any better.
Old 07-13-06 | 12:29 AM
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Hell, I was flummoxed at how well it did, and I don't have any vested interest in Superman.
I was thinking the same thing. Its amazing how little bad reviews influence a major film. They might as well not even bother reviewing them and stick with the more unknown stuff we might need guidance on.
Old 07-13-06 | 12:30 AM
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Yeah, I'm a big fan of the original POTC but I had no desire to rush out to see the sequel. I had no idea it was THAT popular. I figured Superman would clean up.
Old 07-13-06 | 07:43 PM
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I was thinking the same thing. Its amazing how little bad reviews influence a major film. They might as well not even bother reviewing them and stick with the more unknown stuff we might need guidance on.
I didn't think bad reviews would hinder business. I just didn't think that of all the movies out there, POTC would end up having the biggest opening ever. I really enjoyed the first one, and this still surprised the hell out of me.
Old 07-13-06 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Damn, Bryan Singer got truly flummoxed by the interviewer on how well POTC2 is doing at the box office:

"So Brian what do think of the POTC2 record opening and the fact that it's blowing your film away at the boxoffice?"

He seemed just a tad uncomfortable.
Old 07-13-06 | 10:04 PM
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So, after seeing POTC2 I have to say Supes is my fav movie of the summer - just a really fun, enjoyable picture with beautiful visuals and a sense of wonder o it. POTC2 surprisingly fell short on all of those things for me.

Heard Bryan Singer on the radio this wk talk about the film... most interestingly his conceded effort to emphasize the Christ/Savior connection with the visuals and storyline.
Old 07-13-06 | 10:48 PM
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Gee Brian kinda looks like he was put on the spot.
Old 07-14-06 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Damn, Bryan Singer got truly flummoxed by the interviewer on how well POTC2 is doing at the box office:
I can't see the clip.
Old 07-14-06 | 06:41 AM
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Not enough IMAX, most people wanted to wait to see it on IMAX.
Old 07-14-06 | 07:37 AM
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HAHAHA@Bryan's reaction. Kate and Brandon handled the question well, Singer just died as soon as he heard it.
Old 07-14-06 | 11:20 AM
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I usually don't post my thoughts on films on this forum but for some reason I feel compelled to do so about Superman Returns.

We waited 20 years and THIS is what we get? Maybe we're all expecting every superhero movie to be as good as Batman Begins. But this ranks right up there with The Hulk. And The Hulk was absolutely drudge. After I walked out of this movie, I forgot about it 20 minutes afterwards.

First off, do we really want to see a movie where Superman is a dead-beat dad and a stalker? I know, I'm looking at it a little 'black and white' but it's kinda true.

The main problem to me with this movie was the plot. It's hard as hell to stretch such a thin plot into a 2 and a half hour movie but Singer does it. And it really hurts the film.

Another problem are the non-action sequences. Of course, the action sequences were very good but the non-action sequences felt lifeless and had no energy to them. Most of the blame for this needs to go to Singer for his direction and editing.

Third, the acting isn't terrible but there's just nothing for them to work with. Except for Bosworth - every movie I see her in she doesn't seem to be a character, she seems to acting. Bosworth and Routh have zero chemistry as well.

I miss the days of the original Superman and Star Wars. Movies that didn't depend on special effects to get them through half the movie. They depended on acting and relationships. I can't tell you how much I think this affects the acting. You think Christopher Reeve and Harrison Ford had to act with a ton of Green Screen back in the 70's? Now if you watch the behind-the-scenes docs on some of the new Star Wars films, it's ALL Green Screen. Everything was tangible back then. I'd much rather have a fake ass Yoda puppet then a CGI Yoda - simply because it's tangible.

Look at Batman Begins. A lot of good action with not a lot of CGI.

And I thought superheroes had to fight bad guys every once in awhile. Superman doesn't do any of this. All Superman does is save potential disasters from happening.

PS - Why would there be a plane full of reporters for a very risky, first time NASA operation?

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Old 07-14-06 | 11:25 AM
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Oh stop!

If CGI had been available back in 77 believe me they woulda used it.
Old 07-14-06 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Giantrobo
Oh stop!

If CGI had been available back in 77 believe me they woulda used it.
And if steroids were available back when Babe Ruth played he would have used them. Doesn't matter. They worked with what they were given with and that's what makes those films great. Too me, CGI is laziness in some aspects. Lucas himself has said that there were a lot of things in Revenge of the Sith that could have been real and not CGI, but it's easier to do CGI and not have to construct a whole set.

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Old 07-14-06 | 12:25 PM
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While watching S.R., did anyone else keep thinking of "Dr. Evil"? It was a distraction for me. Plus Spacey himself in a brief cameo even parodied Dr. Evil in Austin Powers 3.

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Old 07-14-06 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by runnersdialzero
I usually don't post my thoughts on films on this forum but for some reason I feel compelled to do so about Superman Returns.

We waited 20 years and THIS is what we get? Maybe we're all expecting every superhero movie to be as good as Batman Begins. But this ranks right up there with The Hulk. And The Hulk was absolutely drudge. After I walked out of this movie, I forgot about it 20 minutes afterwards.
You've already lost me. If you think this movie was as bad as The Hulk, your projectionist loaded the film backwards.

First off, do we really want to see a movie where Superman is a dead-beat dad and a stalker? I know, I'm looking at it a little 'black and white' but it's kinda true.
Even though he's an alien, he has always acted very human. He's back after 5 years, Lois couldn't care less, and has a life that doesn't involve him. He does a very natural "human" thing and goes to check out how she's doing. Once he realized that she was doing fine...he left. No watching her get ready for bed, no messing with her, just a check-in. That's a far cry from "stalker."

And he doesn't know the kid is his, so I don't know how that makes him a dead-beat dad. Plus, the kid already HAS a father, and apparently a good one. Why would Superman mess the kid up even more than he's going to be?

The main problem to me with this movie was the plot. It's hard as hell to stretch such a thin plot into a 2 and a half hour movie but Singer does it. And it really hurts the film.
There was PLENTY of plot to fill the time. I wish it had gone on longer, as I would have liked to see the origin story again with updated effects.

Another problem are the non-action sequences. Of course, the action sequences were very good but the non-action sequences felt lifeless and had no energy to them. Most of the blame for this needs to go to Singer for his direction and editing.
I disagree - I found those sections particularly compelling, and a nice break from the action.

Third, the acting isn't terrible but there's just nothing for them to work with. Except for Bosworth - every movie I see her in she doesn't seem to be a character, she seems to acting. Bosworth and Routh have zero chemistry as well.
I disagree - I had no problems with Bosworth (better than that hag that Kidder made the character) and Routh was pitch-perfect. I thought they had great chemistry.

I miss the days of the original Superman and Star Wars. Movies that didn't depend on special effects to get them through half the movie. They depended on acting and relationships. I can't tell you how much I think this affects the acting. You think Christopher Reeve and Harrison Ford had to act with a ton of Green Screen back in the 70's? Now if you watch the behind-the-scenes docs on some of the new Star Wars films, it's ALL Green Screen. Everything was tangible back then. I'd much rather have a fake ass Yoda puppet then a CGI Yoda - simply because it's tangible.
I agree with the Yoda part, but I appreciate the level of effects of today's films. It's hard for me to watch old movies and see completely distracting effects (Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom in particular has some BAAAD loking stuff.)

Look at Batman Begins. A lot of good action with not a lot of CGI.
You must have missed virtually the entire train sequence at the end of the film. And I don't think a man with no super powers who relys on martial arts needs the kind of CGI that a man who can catch a crashing plane, burn things with his eyes and fly into outer space does. I'd rather not see a Superman that can't use any of his powers.

And I thought superheroes had to fight bad guys every once in awhile. Superman doesn't do any of this. All Superman does is save potential disasters from happening.
You'd have to have a pretty powerful bad guy to duke it out with Superman and this was NOT the movie for that. I'd rather watch Superman save real people than slug it out with some baddie.

PS - Why would there be a plane full of reporters for a very risky, first time NASA operation?
I thought Lois was the only reporter. Didn't they say something on the news report on the TV in the bar that she was representing the press?
Old 07-14-06 | 01:03 PM
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So I take it you liked the movie?

Hey everyone has their opinion. I gave mine, you gave yours. But if you read most of this thread you'll see that most people disagree with you about Kate Bosworth. And to say that she is better then Margot Kidder is somewhat of travesty.

Superman is definitely is not as bad as The Hulk. I guess I'm just a little dissapointed that after 20 years of waiting and then getting this stinker. I guess I just wanted to be blown away like I did with Batman Begins.

Comic book movies have been on a unbelievable run recently with Batman, Spider-Man and X-Men, save for The Hulk. I wanted to be able to put Superman up on that pedestal but instead, I get a movie that I totally forgot about right after seeing it.

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Old 07-14-06 | 01:09 PM
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I get a movie that I totally forgot about right after seeing it.

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All evidence to the contrary.
Old 07-14-06 | 01:15 PM
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I would definitely put this in the same league with the Hulk movie.
Old 07-14-06 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by runnersdialzero
And if steroids were available back when Babe Ruth played he would have used them. Doesn't matter. They worked with what they were given with and that's what makes those films great. Too me, CGI is laziness in some aspects. Lucas himself has said that there were a lot of things in Revenge of the Sith that could have been real and not CGI, but it's easier to do CGI and not have to construct a whole set.

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You're right. It doesn't matter. Look CGi is here too stay and if you want to go on about "the good ole days of rubber puppets and painted fake backgrounds" like Grandpa Saxon then fine. Have at it. Just let the rest of us enjoy the steps forward in sfx.
Old 07-14-06 | 01:56 PM
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Damn, Bryan Singer got truly flummoxed by the interviewer on how well POTC2 is doing at the box office:


why does Bosworth have a British accent? Isn't she american?
Old 07-14-06 | 02:07 PM
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wac wac wac wac waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... superman looks to be a disaster... its sucks because i think all in all the story killed it for me...

Spoiler:

Superman is not supposed to have a KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Old 07-14-06 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by raven56706
wac wac wac wac waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... superman looks to be a disaster... its sucks because i think all in all the story killed it for me...

Spoiler:

Superman is not supposed to have a KID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
According to whom? You?
Old 07-14-06 | 04:54 PM
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According to whom? You?
But...but...but that goes against Superman's unchanging, set-in-stone comic book history!


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