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Old 07-13-15 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dex14
You've seen this more than 24 times?
I don't think I have seen any movie 24 times, not even my most favorite ones.

Superman Returns came out 9 years ago, so to watch it 24 times since then, you would have to watch it more than twice a year.
Old 07-13-15 | 02:17 PM
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Yeah, the sci-fi stuff pretty much ended in 1964, but the comics stayed campy in tone with the TV show.

It's kind of weird that Batman was so unpopular in 1964 that they almost decided to end the character right then and there. It's weird to think how different things would be today without Batman considering he has been consistently the most popular superhero by far ever since Burton's movie.

I know X-Men were initially very unpopular as well, and the X-Men comic actually was canceled at one point time in the late 1960s.
Yeah, it seemed like Schwartz wanted to get away from the sci fi stuff and back to detective stuff, but then the show got popular and he was forced to ride the trend. But I wasn't alive so I have no idea what Batman comics were like back then.

Yeah, a lot of Uncanny in the early 70s were just reprints, until Claremont revitalized the brand.
Old 07-13-15 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dex14
You've seen this more than 24 times?
Originally Posted by rocket1312
A couple of dozen times? Really? And 5 or 6 times for MoS? Are you a huge Superman fan? I wish I could find the time to watch movies I like 5 or 6 times. I've seen each once. I'd like to check out Returns again someday. Can't say I feel the same about MoS.
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I don't think I have seen any movie 24 times, not even my most favorite ones.

Superman Returns came out 9 years ago, so to watch it 24 times since then, you would have to watch it more than twice a year.
Is that really so weird? I've seen the movie Excalibur over 100 times (and most of those were in the '80s). I've seen the first two Superman movies 50 or 60 times each, easily, and the Donner cut at least a dozen times since it was released. Hell, I've seen movies like Caddyshack or Airplane! probably 60 times each. I'm a child of the TV generation!
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Do you keep a log? How would you even know you've seen Excalibur 100 times? My favorite movie of all time is The Empire Strikes Back. I would estimate that I've seen it all the way through, beginning to end, no more than 20 times. 25 tops. In fact I could probably count on two hands the number of movies I've seen 10 times or more.
Old 07-13-15 | 08:45 PM
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The Adam West Batman remains my favorite iteration of that character outside of the comics
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Originally Posted by Hokeyboy
I think Superman: The Movie has not only aged well (albeit with a VERY 70s vibe), it's a prime example of Donner's commitment to verisimilitude. Other than a few obvious moments (sets and blue-screen moments), it feels very real, very tangible, very much in the world we live in -- although one made larger than life to provide the sort of bigscreen thrills we expect from a Superman movie.

It's still, in my mind, the best superhero movie, and I freely admit that's clouded by nostalgia. I was 7 when the first Reeve movie came out, already a big Superman fan, and I sat in that darkened theater with a tub of popcorn as big as I was, eyes huge and glued to the screen. I don't think I blinked throughout that entire flick. The Krypton moments were fantastical, alien, odd, and beautiful. Smallville felt homey and recognizable in a idealized Norman Rockwell sort of way. And everything with Metropolis/Superman evoked my memories of visiting New York City with my parents (we visited almost every year), being small and looking up at these huge buildings and bustling traffic and hurried people, really starting to get a sense of the largeness of the world. Having a protector swoop in from the skies made perfect sense to me, as if the world needed one.

I'm ranting. I love that flick. Superman did the impossible and made me forget all about Star Wars. I'll never that December 1978 afternoon when Superman saved Lois from the helicopter crash, the fanfare kicking in, and the theater erupting with cheers and applause. Cheesy? Maybe. But dammit it worked.
I agree, Superman: The Movie is a perfect superhero film. It's fantasy, but rooted in reality, but not in a postmodern Frank Miller reality where the media reaction to a hero is as important as what the hero does (which, to be fair, was a brilliant bit of comic book construction when it was first done). It has enough touchstones to the real world, idealized versions though it might be, to make you latch onto it and believe it, even with all the silliness.

This is actually why I think that the Burton/Shumacher Batman films have aged so poorly (Batman Returns aside, although that's better as a neo-expressionist homage than it is as a Batman movie). Gotham is so fantastical in those movies that there's nothing for the audience to grab hold of, nothing tangible. While I know some people here argue that Nolan's Batman films end up being silly by trying to be too realistic, I think they'll hold up far better over time than the Burton and Shumacher attempts.

Anyway, that's an aside. I think that Superman: The Movie strikes a near perfect balance of the silly/fantastical and serious/realistic. No, Luthor never really feels like a threat, but then again he does manage to set off two nuclear warheads, effectively besting Superman (who has to cheat to pull off the happy ending). Margot Kidder is still the ideal Lois Lane, and no one, but no one has done Perry White better than Jackie Cooper. No one!
Old 07-13-15 | 11:52 PM
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Anyway, that's an aside. I think that Superman: The Movie strikes a near perfect balance of the silly/fantastical and serious/realistic.
This is exactly what I was going to say. It manages to feel fun, light, colorful and exuberant without slipping into silly camp, but has enough verisimilitude and believability that it doesn't feel like a silly fantasy. It's made with a very deft hand, and as a result, the tone has helped it age really well.
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Old 07-14-15 | 04:49 PM
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Old 07-14-15 | 06:31 PM
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Seeing a movie 24 times for a favorite movie is unheard of? I've probably seen Superman: The Movie and Superman II at least that many times, among many other movies.
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Originally Posted by Brack
Seeing a movie 24 times for a favorite movie is unheard of? I've probably seen Superman: The Movie and Superman II at least that many times, among many other movies.
The difference is when those movies came out compared to when Superman Returns came out. Superman I and II came out 35+ years ago. Seeing them 24 times in 35 years isn't strange. However, Superman Returns came out 9 years ago. Watching the same movie 24 times in 9 years is a bit strange.
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That's a very good point.
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Yeah, it isn't particularly great and has no drive behind it. But I also didn't find it nearly as tedious as MoS.
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I can't believe we're busting balls about how many times someone sees a movie they really love. Is it that much of a big deal? Especially here? I've probably seen The Red Shoes twice a year, at least, since 1998.
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I can't believe we're busting balls about how many times someone sees a movie they really love. Is it that much of a big deal? Especially here? I've probably seen The Red Shoes twice a year, at least, since 1998.
I'm not busting balls so much as I am amazed that some of you guys have seen any movies that many times. I don't even know how you'd know how many times you've seen a movie unless you keep a regular log or something. That said, I've always been skeptical when people start throwing around those sorts of numbers. I'm not saying anyone here is lying, but in my experience people tend to exaggerate a little with stuff like this. A girl I work with once tried to tell me with absolute certainty that she'd seen the Keira Knightley Pride and Prejudice something like 200 times. When I actually did the math and broke down just how many weekly viewings that would be, her story slowly began to change.

In Numanoid's case, I guess the more surprising number to me is 5 or 6 viewings of MoS since he doesn't seem to like it.
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Originally Posted by Supermallet
This is actually why I think that the Burton/Shumacher Batman films have aged so poorly (Batman Returns aside, although that's better as a neo-expressionist homage than it is as a Batman movie). Gotham is so fantastical in those movies that there's nothing for the audience to grab hold of, nothing tangible. While I know some people here argue that Nolan's Batman films end up being silly by trying to be too realistic, I think they'll hold up far better over time than the Burton and Shumacher attempts.
I'd argue that Batman Returns is as rooted in fantasy/campiness with nothing for the audience to latch on to as either of the two Schumacher entries are and definitely more than Batman. Its really about on par with its level of ridiculous as Batman & Robin and both films are ridiculous to the extreme (although for opposite reasons). Burton's Batman has aged too but not nearly as badly as the other BurtonSchumacher films and is easily the most rewatchable of those four films.
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I'd argue that Batman Returns is as rooted in fantasy/campiness with nothing for the audience to latch on to as either of the two Schumacher entries are and definitely more than Batman. Its really about on par with its level of ridiculous as Batman & Robin and both films are ridiculous to the extreme (although for opposite reasons). Burton's Batman has aged too but not nearly as badly as the other BurtonSchumacher films and is easily the most rewatchable of those four films.
I agree, though I never was a fan of Batman Returns anyway.
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
I'm not busting balls so much as I am amazed that some of you guys have seen any movies that many times. I don't even know how you'd know how many times you've seen a movie unless you keep a regular log or something. That said, I've always been skeptical when people start throwing around those sorts of numbers. I'm not saying anyone here is lying, but in my experience people tend to exaggerate a little with stuff like this. A girl I work with once tried to tell me with absolute certainty that she'd seen the Keira Knightley Pride and Prejudice something like 200 times. When I actually did the math and broke down just how many weekly viewings that would be, her story slowly began to change.

In Numanoid's case, I guess the more surprising number to me is 5 or 6 viewings of MoS since he doesn't seem to like it.
My Humanities teacher in high school doubted me when I told him that I had seen Excalibur so many times that I could recite it by heart, so I stood up and started reciting every bit of dialogue. He let me go on for about three minutes, then conceded to me. And that was in 1985!

As a kid/young adult, the TV would be on during pretty much every waking hour. And in the '80s and early '90s, Superman I and II were played on HBO and The Movie Channel a lot (it's also how I saw Excalibur, Airplane!, Caddyshack, etc. so many times).

As for Superman Returns, what can I say? It's a favorite. I saw it three times in the theater alone, including the 3-D release. I've easily watched it 20 times or so since then. I remember watching it at least three times on the airplane during a trip to Europe in 2008 or so. I used the movie to show off my home theater setup (that airplane sequence, yo) to several individual friends a few years ago, so there's another 4 or 5 viewings right there. I watch it when I run across it playing on TV or a streaming site, and I put in the blu-ray every few months just because. Should I explain how many times I've seen Citizen Kane or The Godfathers I and II, because it's also a lot?

Regarding MoS, the Smallville scenes were shot in my hometown, so I saw it twice in the theater, and several times since just to see the old place. Also, I love Superman and really want to like it, and am hoping that it would grow on me (it hasn't).

Good thing you never ran across Das Monkey. That guy had seemingly seen everything a hundred times, including every TV show ever made.
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
My Humanities teacher in high school doubted me when I told him that I had seen Excalibur so many times that I could recite it by heart, so I stood up and started reciting every bit of dialogue. He let me go on for about three minutes, then conceded to me. And that was in 1985!

As a kid/young adult, the TV would be on during pretty much every waking hour. And in the '80s and early '90s, Superman I and II were played on HBO and The Movie Channel a lot (it's also how I saw Excalibur, Airplane!, Caddyshack, etc. so many times).

As for Superman Returns, what can I say? It's a favorite. I saw it three times in the theater alone, including the 3-D release. I've easily watched it 20 times or so since then. I remember watching it at least three times on the airplane during a trip to Europe in 2008 or so. I used the movie to show off my home theater setup (that airplane sequence, yo) to several individual friends a few years ago, so there's another 4 or 5 viewings right there. I watch it when I run across it playing on TV or a streaming site, and I put in the blu-ray every few months just because. Should I explain how many times I've seen Citizen Kane or The Godfathers I and II, because it's also a lot?

Regarding MoS, the Smallville scenes were shot in my hometown, so I saw it twice in the theater, and several times since just to see the old place. Also, I love Superman and really want to like it, and am hoping that it would grow on me (it hasn't).

Good thing you never ran across Das Monkey. That guy had seemingly seen everything a hundred times, including every TV show ever made.
You... you were what? The guy not getting laid right?

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Seriously though.. We're bitching about how many times we've seen something? Shiiiiiiite. That's worse than the regular shit we bitch about.
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Seriously though.. We're bitching about how many times we've seen something? Shiiiiiiite. That's worse than the regular shit we bitch about.
Who's bitching?
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You... you were what? The guy not getting laid right?
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