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I walked out feeling like I just saw something more than an ordinary movie. It was a true cinematic experience on an epic scale, like every movie felt when seen at the theater as I was a kid.
While Batman Begins may have fallen short of its expected opening weekend total, I think this is a film that can stand the following weekends, especially with the word of mouth I'm sure it's getting. I felt like I just had to recommend it to everyone I spoke to, most of whom haven't yet seen it. I hope it has legs as Titanic did, which I believe had weekends that actually did better than previous ones a month into its run. I can certainly understand why some folks stayed away opening weekend, but the word is sure to get out... The fight scenes worked for me. They left me disoriented, but I was thrilled and in the moment. Spoiler:
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Just got back from it again, the movie was just as sick the 2nd time around, I absolutely loved it, definitely in my top 10 favorite of all time.
Loved the chase with the Batmobile through the city! "Does it come in black" classic. |
I finally had a chance to watch the movie today and I really enjoyed it. I liked it better than the Burton batman films. The cast was excellent except for Katie. I loved the atmosphere of the film. I would give the movie four stars out of four stars. I would love to see Nolan make a sequel with all the original cast except Katie. I do have a question though.
Is Ghul dead? He said he was immortal, but I do not see how he could survive that train crash. |
Saw it yesterday and loved it. Even my wife, who isn't into action and/or superhero films, enjoyed it.
Of course, it also helped that we saw it in Imax. |
I saw it on IMAX too, and I loved it. Best Batman movie yet.
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You know, I was thinking about something. They pronounced the name Ra's Al Ghul in the movie differently than on Batman:TAS.
I think in the animated series, they prounounced it "Ray-sh Al Ghul". Wonder why that is. |
Originally Posted by Deftones
You know, I was thinking about something. They pronounced the name Ra's Al Ghul in the movie differently than on Batman:TAS.
I think in the animated series, they prounounced it "Ray-sh Al Ghul". Wonder why that is. Spoiler:
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I got to the movie a little late, the first thing I saw was little Bruce falling through the bats into the cave. What did I miss? Thanks
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
I find this funny because in the episode of Batman Beyond that Ra's Al Ghul
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That was one great episode! :lol: |
Originally Posted by cleaver
I got to the movie a little late, the first thing I saw was little Bruce falling through the bats into the cave. What did I miss? Thanks
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Originally Posted by troystiffler
Not much. I think that young Bruce was the opening scene. He's playing with a young Katie Holmes, and falls in. As long as you got to see his Dad come in, you didn't miss the best part. What a moment...
I guess I had the "director's cut" in my theater. Because that's totally different from what I saw. In my movie a radioactive bat bites bruce right after he falls in.... :confused: |
Originally Posted by Geofferson
I saw this Saturday night and loved everything about it. IMO, this surpassed all the superhero movies of recent years and rivals the original Superman as being the best 'comic book' movie. Can't wait to see it again!
Not much to add that everyone hasn't mentioned in this thread, the casting was stellar, across the board. I didn't mind Holmes except for the "district attorney" bit on the bridge, but that is the writers fault. The person I was most impressed by though was Michael Caine. This could have easily been a throwaway role for him, but I was amazed everytime he was on screen. He was perfect as Alfred. Scarecrow kicked all kinds of ass. I hope we see him again. I also loved the set-up at the end and the "origin" of the bat-signal. On future casting: Jolie as Catwoman? Sign me up. Great idea. I even like the idea of Tarantino as the Joker. He is basically the Joker in real life. Over the top and full of himself. It would be a great match. On previous films: It was always odd that you went from a kid having his parents murdered to crime fighting superhero 25 years later. BB fills that void, and does it well. Jim Carrey was the worst Batman villan ever. Come on! All he was was Ace Ventura in spandex. I would have much preferred Robin Williams. I was wanting more when it was over. That says a lot about a film. So as far as ranking it as a "superhero" film, it's up there with Superman. Ranking it as a "comic book" film is a bit different b/c The Crow sits at the top of that list for me, which always seems to be forgotten since it wasn't a huge comic. |
....dock a superhero movie for not being realistic enough? :hscratch:
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Originally Posted by RocShemp
Yes, you are correct. I also remember an old comic book/audio cassette 3-part set I bought in the 80's called The Untold Legend Of The Batman had Batman pronounce Ra's Al Ghul's name in the same manner Batman Begins did. I find this funny because in the episode of Batman Beyond that Ra's Al Ghul
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Damn you. Now you've got me itching to watch Batman Beyond episodes again and they aren't on. :sad: |
I saw this again last night and also agree with those that say this movie holds up with repeat viewings.
I just wanted to chime in also on the debate about the fight scenes. I was thinking they never really bothered me when I first saw the movie and now I realized WHY they never bothered me. The way the fight scenes are shot in this movie they make complete and 100% sense. In this world they created for the Batman to exist in, they created a fighter that is extremely quick, agile, can even make himself almost appear invisible to his eye, and is able to confuse his enemies into thinking something else might be him. The way the fight scenes were shot, you got an impression that was exactly what was going on. I think maybe it was a little hard to keep track of what was going on (not that I think it was all that hard to do that anyway) because that is exactly how the fight was to be perceived. I think the fight scenes are great the way they are. |
Originally Posted by calhoun07
I saw this again last night and also agree with those that say this movie holds up with repeat viewings.
I just wanted to chime in also on the debate about the fight scenes. I was thinking they never really bothered me when I first saw the movie and now I realized WHY they never bothered me. The way the fight scenes are shot in this movie they make complete and 100% sense. In this world they created for the Batman to exist in, they created a fighter that is extremely quick, agile, can even make himself almost appear invisible to his eye, and is able to confuse his enemies into thinking something else might be him. The way the fight scenes were shot, you got an impression that was exactly what was going on. I think maybe it was a little hard to keep track of what was going on (not that I think it was all that hard to do that anyway) because that is exactly how the fight was to be perceived. I think the fight scenes are great the way they are. |
Originally Posted by gmal2003
Agreed. Where as say in the Bourne Supremecy it drove me crazy I didn't even think of it as out of place in Begins.
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Originally Posted by calhoun07
I just wanted to chime in also on the debate about the fight scenes. I was thinking they never really bothered me when I first saw the movie and now I realized WHY they never bothered me. The way the fight scenes are shot in this movie they make complete and 100% sense. In this world they created for the Batman to exist in, they created a fighter that is extremely quick, agile, can even make himself almost appear invisible to his eye, and is able to confuse his enemies into thinking something else might be him. The way the fight scenes were shot, you got an impression that was exactly what was going on. I think maybe it was a little hard to keep track of what was going on (not that I think it was all that hard to do that anyway) because that is exactly how the fight was to be perceived. I think the fight scenes are great the way they are. |
Originally Posted by RichC2
Bourne Supremacy fighting wasn't quick cut so much as just shakey cam.
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
What about the fights prior and during his training, before he becomes "quick, agile, and invisible?" :)
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Originally Posted by NitroJMS
I didn't care for Begins, but I still love Batman, and even more so Batman Returns, which is still my favorite in the series.
I know it is often criticized for Batman's almost supporting role, but Michelle Pfieffer as Catwoman is probably the most interesting and entertaining character in the series (sorry, Jack). Some of the most compelling Batman stories over the years are ones where he has been a side character (the animated series had many episodes that focused on the villains, The Long Halloween was split between Batman, Gordon and Dent), so I don't see any reason to knock the movie for him not being the only focal point. We had already learned alot about Bruce in 89's Batman, so exploring his past again would have been redundant. Burton's darker, more violent and somewhat satirical tone also more closely matched the books, especially Dark Knight Returns, than the more humorous first film. The film is also given a slicker, renewed Gotham that has obviously been benefitting from Batman's aid since his appearance in the first film. Burton wisely set the film in an indistinct time period that mixes various eras of cars, fashions and architecture to give Gotham its timeless, yet still garish and grim, look. The disappearance of the pop soundtrack also helped to set the more timeless feel as Burton falls back on relying on Danny Elfman's score to set the musical mood. Elfman sets up distinctive themes for each character, a trend that is noticeably missing from the three more recent films. The score for Forever (later recycled nearly completely for Batman and Robin) felt like stock tracks that might have been made for a Batman video game and never really fit the films. Begins has a completely indistinct score that could have easily been dropped into a Jerry Bruckheimer film without any notice. Just some of my thoughts on the Batman series. I had much the same reaction to "Batman Begins." It simply can't hold a candle to "Batman Returns" or "Batman." There was no sense that this was an archetypal good-vs.-evil battle. Nothing larger than life. Nothing "superhero" about it. It felt like a Timothy Dalton-era James Bond movie. Lots of guys dressed in black pounding on other guys dressed in black. Next time, maybe they should consider hiring an honest-to-God art direction department. |
Tim Burton's "Batman" came out when I was in middle school. I remember not liking it too much. I think I would have liked "Batman Begins" better if it were to have been released in the 89 instead of "Batman".
One thing I think they really did well with was Michael Caine's character. Though the "Alfred" from the previous 4 movies was good, they didnt seem to do as much with him. |
Originally Posted by calhoun07
I had no problems with the prison fight scene. I could easilly tell Bruce was kicking major ass.
I saw it on IMAX twice with two different groups of people, and that complaint was echoed both times. |
The disappearance of the pop soundtrack also helped to set the more timeless feel as Burton falls back on relying on Danny Elfman's score to set the musical mood. Elfman sets up distinctive themes for each character, a trend that is noticeably missing from the three more recent films. The score for Forever (later recycled nearly completely for Batman and Robin) felt like stock tracks that might have been made for a Batman video game and never really fit the films. Begins has a completely indistinct score that could have easily been dropped into a Jerry Bruckheimer film without any notice. Batman Begins on the other hand, doesn't have a solid "theme" that I recall, which hurts it, but the score throughout the film was very powerful and lent a great deal of mood to the film. Moreso than Elfman's score. I liked it a lot. It just sucks that there isn't a solid theme for the new Batman. |
Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
I have to disagree... somewhat. Elfman created a wonderful "theme" to Batman, but that is where it ends. The other 60+ minutes of score are indistinguishable from every other film he has done. Elfman is a one trick pony to me, rehashing the same music/themes every time out.
Batman Begins on the other hand, doesn't have a solid "theme" that I recall, which hurts it, but the score throughout the film was very powerful and lent a great deal of mood to the film. Moreso than Elfman's score. I liked it a lot. It just sucks that there isn't a solid theme for the new Batman. About Begins not having a solid theme-- the score working to enhance those emotional and moody elements is more important, it's just disappointing that the first one was so memorable. However, in a way it fits the film-- Batman isn't exactly sure of who he is yet, so it's not like there is a need for a strong identifying theme like Elfman's. |
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