oooooooooo.....I cant wait for a 2 disk SE treatment of this one. I hope they do something interesting with the packaging....maybe just that rusty looking bat symbol on the front.

For god's sake though! No floating heads!!!!

Jackskeleton: I think that I expressed my dislikes about the movie very clearly. Too bad if you can't see it. I gave you and others clear and specific dislikes about the film. You still saying stuff about HULK. Yes, I have to admit HULK has flaws but they are forgetable for this "simple" character and the whole HULK universe. However, I can't forgive filmmakers of BATMAN BEGINS for ruining Batman franchise. If it's a new look and way of Batman franchise then Batman will be in trouble.

The audience do not want to see "Year One" the beginning/birth of Batman. They know who he is and how he became the Dark Knight.

Tim Burton's films explained everything and gave us background information and believe it or not, they (films) introduced villains as the main character WITH depth, analysis, culture and motives of bad guys. I didn't feel it in Batman Begins. All villains were an ordinary gangsters. You dont care about them, you have no interest in them or their lives.

I did care about Catwoman, I did care about The Joker, Penguin because films were much deeper.

GothAm city was DARK (Black, Dark Grey and Dark Blue colors) and that's how it was. It was more gothic style looking city full of insane criminals and villains. In Batman Begins, Gotham city is like NY. Full of homeless people, dirt and etc.

Gotham city is not like that. Gotham City of Burton's vision is an absolute, ultimate villain city and it gives strong ground for Batman and his inner strugle. The city constantly reminds him of his past and it spawns villains all the time.

In Batman Returns, Gotham City is huge megapolis which Batman can't control. I felt that Batman was hopeless and had to rely on Gordon, Alfred, Morgan Freeman's character and many others. He was like a helpless puppy. Poor Batman.

Batman is not like that. Just watch Batman Returns again and you'll understand what I'm talking about.

I wish I could speak the way an American speaks, I mean I wish to be a person who's English is not a second language. I would provide more intelligent points about the film and go deeply into it.

Still, I believe that my points that I mentioned previously are more then enough to point out problems in Batman Begins.

Like I said, Batman Returns could have been a much greater film and with all these years in development and such huge budget, filmmaker did failed to capture the magic of the dark knight BATMAN. It was nice attempt but it's not Nolan ground.

Nolan, move on with your filmmaking, do Memento 2 instead. Batman is not your friend.

The box office clearly shows it.

Burtons rendetion of the city was an issue because it had to many burton style structures. to many twist and turns and spirals all over the place. Much like the complaint of Elfman's score, they carried a style that is to familiar with one another.

How is Batman Begins the ruin of the franchise? It brought it back to life. Look at the way the last Batman filmed did both in story and in take in and reviews. The box office is not huge for begins for many other factors. DVD sales in general have taken a lot away from theatre take ins. A bad taste from all those past batman films.

So you are using the excuse that english is your second language as to why you sum up any critic with "DUDE, THAT SUCKS ASS AND YOU ALL ARE MORONS FOR LIKING IT" Good one.


Actually they don't. the most anyone really knows off the bat is his parents were murdered infront of his face and he wanted revenage. Begins went the steps beyond that and showed us how he became batman in the matter of his training, how he came about with equipment and how he thinks starting out in the bat mantle. Even in the books they hardly touched it beyond that till year one and they haven't gone over that really since.

Does it have its flaws? Yeah, I'll admit that it had a couple of minor items that were a bit odd. But over all Batman Begins had much more good than it did bad and was well reviewed and has good word of mouth. Is it a box office bomb? Hardly. It will produce a good word of mouth return viewings and will have a huge dvd sales like just about everything else does.

They already signed for two more. So I expect you'll be back to flame away when those come out.

Exactly. My wife, who has known me for years (all the while I've been a comic book fan), asked me after this movie "so Batman in the comics doesn't have any powers?"

I think a lot of us greatly overestimate how much the general public knows about these characters.

Yes, of course, I will go see Batman Begins 2, Batman has begun and etc. :lol:

Speaking of Elfman's score. Elfman wrote a cue which has an epic proportion. It is memorable for the movie. Hell, I still remember Batman Theme but from Batman Begins I can't remember shit. The soundtrack was SO dull and very forgetable.

Batman 1 and 2 were epic movies. From a story, production, music and etc.

Batman Begins is just another summer "blockbuster" but it will NEVER be considered a classic. NEVER!

Tim Burton's Batman is a piece of An American Film Classic. It is a perfect example of how comic book movies must be done.

You may not like it as much Batman Begins but again, MAJORITY of viewers like Burton films.

I'm not saying you're all morons, well, not all of you :) Just a few people (you know who you are) :lol: Relax, it was a joke.

However, I do believe that saying that Batman Begins better then Batman Returns is a blasphemy.

Reviews say otherwise on if it will be considered a blockbuster or at the very least an epic.

To go back to you bitching about changes from comic book to movie. Batman was bad with this. Making Harvey Dent be played by Lando... yeah, that's true to the book in all ways possible.

While the majority liked burtons batman, the majority liked begins as well. Look at this thread. who is the majority here and who is the minority? The minority here is those who disliked it.

As for the comments. Do you honestly expect to have any civil discussion jumping into a thread like that? You may think it's blasphemy, but what you think is your own opinion and you are entitled to it. Just don't start flaming folks because they feel differently.

Sorry, but Batman is not for women. It was not intended for female audience.

Who reads comic books? Women? No. Who likes superhero films? Women? No.

So, I would not worry about your wives opinion. I know it sounds great that you can take your wife to see Batman Begins together and not alone; then feel good, guilty pleasure that you're not ashamed to watch Batman in your grown up years.

Still, Batman was targeted for the 18-26 year old audience, die hard fanatics, comic book fans, NOT your wives.

Look how this movie makes NO money worldwide. This is a DISASTER! MAJOR FAILURE!

The movie took WRONG direction. It tryed to be more realistic and not cartoony, more real life like and not "dark fantasy" film.

Sorry, this is not Titanic or Pearl Harbor. This movie has NOTHING that women like. Absoluterly zero.

The result is very clear. WB producers doing this :hairpull:

I'm sorry, but that's just stupid. Men are the dominant audience, but the studios aren't going to throw away the female ticket sales either. Among other things, that's why they always insist on having some sort of romantic relationship for Batman, whether it's Basinger or Kidman or Pfeifer or Holmes. The one time they didn't have a strong romantic interest, B & R, the movie was a stinker.

Jack: Like I said, if you're offended by some thread replies then you have some issues. C'mon dude, lighten up. From my point of view, yes, I may be a harsh reviwer but I said NOTHING wrong.

Would you like to say that Batman Returns fails because of wrong casting? Because of 1 NOT important character?

How can you say all those things about Batman Returns. This movie was one of the best movies in your books. I know it was but now, you don't want to make any new "friends" here and going with the flow and lie to your "friends" and mainly yourself by convincing that you like BB better then BR.

Dude, admit it, there's nothing better then Batman Returns. You know it and I know.

There was a romantic interest in B&R:

http://www.gibitela.hpg.ig.com.br/batmanrobinf.jpg

That sort of thing is really obnoxious. How about not presuming to tell people what they "really think"?

"C'mon, you know you really think this was the best movie of the bunch, and you're really just being contrary to troll. C'mon, admit it."

I wasn't talking about romantically interesting to you. :D

$90 Million domestic, $130 worldwide in one week is NO money? Maybe you're thinking of The Hulk again. -confused-

Hello? Preifer is a villain. Of course she was the main character. For Christ sakes she is CATWOMAN.

Who the hell is Holmes? Kiddman in previous movies? Do you think it was a bet on these characters?

the main bet on Batman was ACTION and BATMAN himself. Action does not appeal to women.

However, Pearl Harbor says otherwise. What Pearl Harbor did was a little, well, to my point of view not patriotic. they mixed real life tragedy with a Hollywood love story.

Still, you may hate this movie but it worked. It worked at the box office and worked worldwide.

The movie was VERY appealing to both: male and female audience.

What are your wives thoughts about Pearl Harbor?

Just curious.

With that logic, Memento isn't his friend either, as it only made 25 million dollars.

She didn't watch it because it looked like rubbish. I only watched it b/c my dad is a big WWII fan, and he wanted to see it around his birthday.

Memento was an independent film. it was a sleeper hit. I can't say anything bad or good about this film. I've seen better. it's not the point.

I'm not sure where are you taking your box office reports as I can see wordwide Batman Begins money grab is only $ 40 mil. Maybe it's not updated yet still VERY slow start even for first week of domestic screenings.

You're starting to sounda a little...crazy...really. Now I love Batman Returns...it's a fantastic movie, and part of me loves it the most out of any Batman movie, largely because of nostalgia. But nothing better then it?

Sorry, it was poorly paced, with a rather goofy plot, a poorly constructed character arc for the title character (an issue all the first four Batman films had...a focus on villians versus Batman). I still love the movie, but to pretend the character development in that film even comes close to the depth of Batman Begins is absurd. And heck, I probably like BR a little more in some ways (I have a certain nostalgia with that film), but I can recognize that it's hardly a perfect film and quite frankly, not as well made as the new one on certain levels. In the end these are our opinions and hardly facts at all. And given the very positive buzz surrounding this film, it's preposturous to claim that mainstream audiences agree with you. But there are much better ways to state what you think.

Also quit with the Batman Begins bombed stuff. That's like saying...well...Batman Returns bombed. That movie's final tally was considered disapointting, the same way this film's opening was considered a disapointment. Either way they're both successful, soon to be (BB) profitable films.

That is a stupid statement. I personally know just as many female comic readers as male comic readers. Like Marvel said, you can't piss away the female demographic just because they don't read comics. Batman is well known enough that even if you aren't a comic reader and not male, you will still be interested in a batman film and yes, the romance angle is tossed in for them especially. Here's using your line against you. Think of it as a producer for WB.. would you want to not also try to bring in the female demographic which is larger in numbers than male demographics? yeah... didn't think so.

And if you can't realize how "Hello? Are you guys freaking stupid?" wouldn't be the most productive in comments in coming in with your hard hitting harsh review, then you really need to take a few more english classes since your communication skills are lacking.

You want to point out the flaws in the film, then do so. You just pretty much tossed out generic comments without backing up the statements other than "this sucks yo, and u guz are stoooopid for liking it, doodz"

I knew it. I dont want to say anything about your wife but dude, seriously to choose Batman Begins over Pearl Harbor which is a history of United States is kind of ....I dont want to even start.

Now you see, why you fellow Americans have "movie going" problems.

You people are confused about the cinema. You're watching freaking idiotism over the real stuff, real cinema.

Pearl Harbor is one of the best movies...EVER!

Say what ever you want about me or my tastes but I would be god damn proud man to have my name in PH credits.

You're lost in reality and dont want to face it anymore.

I was so pissed when I read how ALL this board is bashing Pearl Harbor that it was just stupid.

:ugh:

I need some beer.

Ok, good. Now I know you're trolling. Thanks.

DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL...

jacky, my buddy...thanks for bringing English language barrier in your post. This is you weakness. I was really surprised that you didn't slam me with that "English" statement in your first response. Wait a minute, you did :) Still, you're out of your breath and all you can do is type something stupid as "then you really need to take a few more english classes since your communication skills are lacking"

You cant argue with me because you all met your match and finally, you have someone who disagree with your "ideal" movies.

I have tons of friends and believe me, people want to be my friends really badly...

As for my skills, you would be very surprised at what I do for a living since I work with people 5 days a week.

My point still stands. I didn't like Batman Begins, I did not like Star Wars III all these movies with given time, budget and sources failed to become true classics.

FAILED!

You are asking me to bring "factors" of their failure. Read above and you'll see them.

Ok?

www.boxofficemojo.com

You should read this

'Batman Begins' in the Shadows by Brandon Gray

Riddled with the baggage of previous screen adaptations, the Dark Knight no longer amazes at the box office like Spider-Man.

Chronicling billionaire heir Bruce Wayne's transformation into crime-fighting hero, Warner Bros.' reinvention of the DC Comics staple, Batman Begins, grappled $48.7 million over the weekend at 3,858 locations—strong but unimpressive by today's instantaneous blockbuster standards.

The $150 million production marks the first Batman movie to bow on a Wednesday compared to the Friday June launches of the previous four. Its $72.9 million five-day gross tops Batman Forever's $66.3 million from 1995 as a franchise high but trails by 25 percent in terms of the number of tickets sold (due to ticket price inflation). Batman Begins' grosses include a simultaneous IMAX release, which broke the five-day opening record with an estimated $3.16 million at 55 venues.

"I think people love the character, and it's been eight years since the franchise unfortunately took a negative turn [with Batman and Robin]," Warner Bros.' head of distribution Dan Fellman told Box Office Mojo. "It took the vision of a filmmaker like Christopher Nolan to bring it back, with a great script and cast. We're well positioned moving forward with the summer. We're going to have a first week of $85 million, and [Batman and Robin] had $59 million. That's enough to bring Batman back for a sequel."

To resuscitate the franchise after the blow the infamous Batman and Robin dealt in 1997 (not to mention 2004's spin-off Catwoman), Warner Bros. turned to director Christopher Nolan (Memento) and crew. They eschewed the freak show sensibility of director Tim Burton's 1989 original and 1992 sequel, Batman Returns, and director Joel Schumacher's camp fantasias Batman Forever and Batman and Robin, and focused on the iconic hero, not the villains, with a more sober and philosophical interpretation. Pedigreed actors were cast, like Christian Bale as Batman and Michael Caine as Alfred, instead of a parade of vamping stars and buxom love interests.

The new approach led to a meditative marketing campaign that was light on dazzling action and effects. Sure, the trademark darkness was on display, but moments of levity and shots of the toys, like the new Batmobile, were muted or overwhelmed by the serious tone. This was in stark contrast to the original Batman, which had a trailer going back and forth between the spectacle and the one-liners (mostly from Jack Nicholson as The Joker).

Batman Begins' trailers, for the most part, stayed true to what the movie is—dramatic action for adults with comic book trappings. They were clear on Bruce Wayne's internal conflict but murky on the external threat Batman was fighting, and thus lacked the thrill of being a superhero that drew audiences to Spider-Man and the first Batman.

Moviegoers polled by CinemaScore gave Batman Begins an "A," while Fellman said it was rated the best of all the Batman movies in Warner Bros.' exit polling. The studio's surveys further indicated that 57 percent of moviegoers were male and 54 percent were over the age of 25. While stats like these are encouraging, they don't necessarily assure lasting appeal, as the makers of the fizzling Cinderella Man can attest after that picture's high audience marks, and Batman Begins, with its super-saturation release, is generally the kind of movie people rush to see, not discover down the road.

With overall weekend box office at $135.9 million, Batman couldn't rescue 2005 from its 17th straight down weekend from 2004—the comparable frame did $136.8 million. That's the longest year-to-year slump since 1985, the year that had the steepest attendance drop of the past few decades.

Michael Keaton in Batman.
Batman Begins was never going to have the impact of the original Batman, which arrived in a boom year—1989 saw the biggest spike in attendance of any year from the mid 1970's to the present. In the month leading up to its release, the opening weekend record had already been broken twice, by Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Ghostbusters II, but Batman blew them all away. The $35 million picture soared to $40.5 million at 2,194 theaters—the first movie to make over $30 million in a single weekend. Adjusted for ticket price inflation, its opening equals about $65 million, and the final gross of $251.2 million would be over $400 million today.

Banking on a public perception of quality and indirect competition from next weekend's Herbie: Fully Loaded, Bewitched and Land of the Dead, Batman Begins hopes to defy current trends with a strong hold in its second weekend.

The weekend's other wide release, The Perfect Man, featuring Hilary Duff as a daughter meddling with her mother Heather Locklear's love life, made $5.3 million at 2,087 venues, a dull start comparable to Mandy Moore's How to Deal two summers ago.

Among holdovers, Mr. and Mrs. Smith is targeting the $100 million mark by its 11th day of release after a smaller second weekend drop than last summer's The Bourne Supremacy. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith climbed to No. 11 on the all time chart (unadjusted)—its $348.1 million haul surpassing The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and Finding Nemo—and is on track to top $380 million by the end of its run.

According to your own link the worldwide gross so far is over $130 million, not $40 million.