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Jackskeleton 06-18-05 07:06 PM

The Dark knight returns. :-D

suziq999 06-18-05 08:01 PM

Saw it today. Christian Bale fucking rocks. I thought he did a great job. Loved Liam. Hated Katie. Thought it was fantastic overall. The scarecrow bits were very well done.

Patman 06-18-05 08:38 PM

I saw it again on Imax, and the only downside was that the projected image was so large that Bale's bb-sized mole/growth/whatever just in between his right eye and the bridge of his nose was a little distracting. Otherwise, yet another great viewing experience. Katie Holmes needs to wear more silk blouses.

The print was really pristine and clear, and it helped in the fight sequences too, which I think are fine, as they played out, plus, many of them are in close quarters, so wide shots would have to be artificially manufactured otherwise. I think people were used to such wide angles with the fights in the bell tower (and alleyway) in Batman (1989).

On my way out of the Imax auditorium, a father, with his entire family (the wife, 2 teenage sons, and a daughter), was pretty positive and giddy with his comments "That was a really excellent movie!" and his family agreed. In the 2 showings I've attended, the crowd leaves in a happy mood, mainly because the film never sags, and it is so good in sucking the viewer into this world of Batman that shows us a glimpse of how Bruce came to be Batman without ever wearing out its welcome.

And yes, the first inmate they showed as Batman was going though Arkham Asylum did look a bit like Oswalt Cobblepot (The Penguin).

I thought it was a bit interesting that Bale was probably mostly known for either being the kid in "Empire of the Sun" or as Patrick Bateman in "American Psycho" as a badguy (plus a turn in Shaft), and Gary Oldman has had so many turns as a bad guy, a manian, just flat out evil, but both guys are cast in these heroic parts, and none of their baggage means much because of how their characters were written (in terms of how the audience views them in the framework of the film). Casting against type worked for this film because, well, the principals actors are very good at their craft.

maingon 06-18-05 09:34 PM

So does the imax show regular movie trailers or the imax ones? i may be crazy but i like the previews before movies, even though i see them all online before.

Deftones 06-18-05 09:52 PM

I went into this viewing wondering if this could top the 1st Batman. Holy crap did it ever. Simply brilliant. I don't know how else to explain it. This is how all of the previous Bat flicks should've been.

The casting all around (besides Holmes) seem to each fit the parts. Oldman as Gordon was by far, the best casting choice. Bale was fantastic.

clemente 06-18-05 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by maingon
So does the imax show regular movie trailers or the imax ones? i may be crazy but i like the previews before movies, even though i see them all online before.

It might differ by location, but all I saw was a trailer for an upcoming IMAX movie and then the movie started. I don't think the process of creating prints for IMAX is easy/cheap, so it makes sense that they wouldn't do it for trailers.

And at Navy Pier Chicago at least, assigned seating. No need to get their early and wait in line.

vinhj 06-18-05 10:08 PM

I loved the movie and thought Scarecrow was a terrific choice as a villain with the themes Nolan was covering. The action scenes in the middle were great, but it felt like the last fight felt like it was filmed in the same way except it was more of a duel out in the open instead of "Batman going Alien on the baddies" and ended up feeling cramped to me.

Casting choice was great and everyone played their part well. I have some complaints about Katie Holmes, but I think it's because I kept thinking about how her character was wasting space where Talia or Harvey Dent would have been a whole lot more interesting.

Two minor things that bothered me while I was watching the movie:

Spoiler:
What was Bruce's rationale for refusing to kill the farmer/murdered and then blowing up the base, killing Watanabe's character and probably the farmer as well? He even ended up saving Ra's but not the farmer, but I guess we wouldn't have much of a movie if he did that :)

The whole car chase scene seemed pretty gratuitous, trying to blow up police cars when finding some way to explode their tires probably would have been safer. His batmobile was caught on public TV as well, and with a distinct shape like that it doesn't seem hard to trace it back to Wayne Enterprises -- but secret identity type plotholes aren't a big deal to me.

Jackskeleton 06-18-05 10:21 PM

What's so hard to believe?

The car is a prototype model. Meaning it's kept so under wraps that I doubt even the companies who made parts for it would recognize it all built together. As for blowing up cars and shit... well I guess you can say that they were all corrupt minus gordon, so why not take out part of the problem

as for burning down the place. he didn't kill them so much as cause a distraction. The rationality is that the farmer wasn't armed or atleast defending himself.

bareva 06-18-05 10:30 PM

just came back from watching the movie and I loved it---I am very pleased--I cannot wait for DVD--I can't wait for the sequel-Is this too much to ask for? lol lol

nightmaster 06-18-05 11:07 PM

SUPER movie. I loved it.

dadaluholla 06-18-05 11:09 PM

I saw this tonight and would give it 4 1/2 out of 5 stars. It was GREAT! If this is what we can expect from DC Comic's films, i'd say Marvel had better step up their game. BIG TIME.

raven56706 06-18-05 11:17 PM

A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++


this movie had my attention and Scarecrow was a bada$$ villian..... Warner Bros if you are reading.... please lock in Chris Nolan and Bale for the next movie because you are standing on a gold

RichC2 06-18-05 11:41 PM

Loved it.

thelwig14 06-18-05 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by Terrell
Sounds like another fanbase I know of.

I'm just hoping WB doesn't freak out and think Nolan or the film itself is to blame for the disappointing numbers so far.

I just hope they do not blame Bale for the numbers.

SeekOnce 06-18-05 11:48 PM


Originally Posted by Jackskeleton
Chris Nolan made some comments about it in an interview on the treatment

http://kcrw.org/show/tt

pretty good to listen to.

I know that the Bourne Supremacy style action scenes bothered some peeps (myself included) but it sounds like it was intentional. Nolan talks about it 9-10 minutes into the interview and how it was meant to be brutal and disorienting for the viewer. Thanks for the link Jack.

Loved the flick and will be watching it again soon.

HN 06-18-05 11:58 PM

for those who read the comics and saw the movie:

Spoiler:
was ducard and ras always the same person, or was that done for the movie?


my only other point of reference is the animated series and i don't think that was ever a storyline.

Panda Phil 06-19-05 12:18 AM

- Really hope this film has a big weekend. I want those sequels!

- Bruce/Batman obviously wasn't trying to cause property damage while trying to escape the temple and the cops. He was just trying to get the Hell out of there as quickly as possible. Unfortunately, people got in his way.
I suspect once he matures as a crime fighter he'll be kicking himself over those dabacles as well.


- While I now like BB much better than Burtons version, I'm not nearly as critical of his Batman as most people seem to be. Keep in mind that aside from Superman there really hadn't ever been a serious comic book movie. Back in '89 most people thought of the character as a campy tv character. While not perfect, his films really pioneered the 'serious' superhero films we've all enjoyed since.

- Went to a 4PM matinee showing on Saturday and the theater was about 2/3rds full. Audience clapped at the end, and there was already a line forming outside the screening I left. Hopefully thats a good sign.

- Regarding Barbera Gordon. How do we know that was her in the highchair? Maybe he's got a second older daughter upstairs sulking in her room or something. :)

Patman 06-19-05 12:20 AM

I am not sure if Ducard ever appeared in the comics, but I don't think he has. (But I could be off base with my recollection)

GaryEA 06-19-05 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by HN
for those who read the comics and saw the movie:

Spoiler:
was ducard and ras always the same person, or was that done for the movie?


my only other point of reference is the animated series and i don't think that was ever a storyline.

I believe this was written for the film.

ArchibaldTuttle 06-19-05 12:31 AM

Just got back from seeing it, and it was fricken awesome. The movie in my mind is pretty much perfect. The only gripe I had was a lot of the fighting sequences were shot so close it was hard to get a handle on what was happening.

one of my favorite parts:
Spoiler:
when batman gives the scarecrow a little bit of "his own medicine" and the scarecrow starts halucinating, I hope he comes back as a villian all those trippy scenes were really cool

RyoHazuki 06-19-05 12:46 AM

Here's a little something I didn't get.

Spoiler:
What purpose did the identity shift between Rhas al Gul and Ducard serve? I accidently read a spoiler a while ago and I was pretty upset, but once I saw the film I didn't even see a purpose for the switch.

Baron Of Hell 06-19-05 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by Frank TJ Mackey
I loved it and was amazed at the cast they put together. Even Katie Holmes was good in it (suprisingly). Also, enjoyed the first hour and almost forgot I was watching a Batman movie. That's talent.

I thought Katie did a good job but she looks to young for the part. They should have went with a Harvey Dent instead. Harvey would have fit right in perfectly.

dvd182 06-19-05 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by Panda Phil
Regarding Barbera Gordon. How do we know that was her in the highchair? Maybe he's got a second older daughter upstairs sulking in her room or something. :)

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the Barbara Gordon listed in the credits is Ilyssa Fradin, who has IMDB credits going back to 1998. Barring some strange stunt of growth and/or aging, this would indicate she is the adult Barb Gordon, not the baby.

bigsoos 06-19-05 01:11 AM

is it me or is the trend in movies to film fight sequences up close and personal? I can't stand that!

Glad to see that someone finally took the Batman legacy seriously.

jiggawhat 06-19-05 01:49 AM

One word can describe what I thought of this movie ... Incredible!!

Watch this movie!!!


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