yes.

the review on ign says that its too talky, while the local sun paper gave it 4 stars and stated that the backstory adds alot more.

So how long is the film?

The paper lists it as 97 minutes,while everyone else is saying it is 137 minutes. Which is it?

Also I don't get why people keep saying Vol 1 was so 'pumped up' & a non-stop mindless action thrill machine.


It never felt like any such thing for myself & seemed like the usual Tarantino film in terms of pacing.

ie-long stretches of dialogue scenes,interspersed with some violence scattered sporadically throughout.

So while it was a fun film,it sure never felt like a roller coaster ride to me. I liked it and all,but it seemed more reserved in pacing(which is nice I may add) than people give it credit for.

So I am not expecting Vol 2 to be an all out action fest,just like Vol 1 was not. Sure it had some nice mayhem,but it did not take up the entire running time as people make it seem.

To me Vol 1 felt like 30 minutes(maybe less) of violence/gore...& 90 minutes of dialogue.

can't beat 'em..join 'em..
figured i would post to let loose those opening day jitters and banter about the 2nd volume in Quentin Tarantino's magnificent opus that is the "Kill Bill" duology of movies. Just saw it and I got to say...

...definitely less violent and action oriented than the first. Much more dialogue a la "Pulp Fiction". His most sentimental movie hands down and quite well down, though "Jackie Brown" did have glimmers" this was far and away his homage to true feeling.

I liked this movie and i think i will like it more as it sinks in and perhaps after i watch vol. 1 again shortly.., but, not nearly as much as the first however. The first was electric and moved with such grace and granduer of style. This was absolutely more cerebral and it was meant to be. I think the battles were very and that is my biggest complaint. Perhaps I was expecting so much because of the first, but afterall the first did have a lot to live up to at least in my humble opinion. You knew between 'the Bride' and Bill how it was gonna end The battle between Elle and 'the Bride' was definitely fun and vibrant and very reminiscent of scenes in the first, but again I thought the two in the first were much more eye gouging

The dialogue was definitely crisp and as good as QT has ever been. Michael Madsen is just amazing at QT ease and I thought David Carradine was simply brilliant with the dialogue. He really captivated and possesed the entire movie. the cameo was awesome!

All in all it was a great end to a double feature and perhaps as one big movie it could be an epic, but as it stands I will have to give my nod to Vol. 1 and a slight aside to Vol. 2 which gripped, but never put me over the top to the point of giddy no-return.

It has a lot of QT dialogue which I thought helped it. Sure it's not a crazy 88 battle or anything like that, but it's still one hell of a good movie

its 137.
and i agree with your thought on vol 1. you had the fight with veretta green, the anime , the thing with Buck, the crazy 88, and the fight with oren.

i think mostly, the scene with the bride getting the sword from sonny chiba took the most screen time. and there was about 15 minutes of set up before the go go's fight. (the "set up" is from when we see the title card for "showdown at the house of leaves)

I saw Kill Bill vols. 1 and 2 back-to-back last night at the Cinerama Dome here in LA, and you are correct - you'll like 2 more after seeing 1 again.

Spoiler-free opinions:

I only liked vol. 1. I LOVED vol. 2. It is more "talky," much to its benefit. The fight scenes are less, say, rediculous. And Uma is just really, really impressive throughout - a pretty high quality performance.

RS

Vol. 2 is definately less bloody than the first, but it's story and characters breathe better when there is less hyper action bombarding around them. Ideally this should have been one movie, and when seeing it back to back, which is hinted might happen later in the year - one can be very surprised how well the movie plays out at it's full 4+hour running time.


What was the movie poster in Budd's trailer?

I agree that it was still a hell of a movie, but I think Volume 1 was a bit more edgey than Volume 2. The script in both films, however, I don't think hold a flame against QT's other writing jobs, Pulp Fiction, Resevoir Dogs, and True Romance in particular.

Still, I enjoyed it quite a bit.

oh I definately agree, but I personally find "Jackie Brown" to be my favourite.

Just saw it. Very awesome.

I had a couple problems with it though.

My only other gripe, .

Though I have a feeling a second viewing will help get rid of these gripes, especially the second one.

But I loved everything else about it. The fight with the Bride and Elle was ****ing brilliant. The buildup to their charge in the hall was one of the most intense things I've seen in a movie. And boy, what a payoff!

The scene was also extremely well done. I loved the change of aspect ratio. It really added to the intense claustrophobic nature of the scene.

And then there's the training with Pai Mei. Oh man that was awesome. Probably my favorite part of the whole movie (vol 1 included). Every time the camera would suddenly zoom in on him I laughed my ass off. Such a great character/sequence.

I can't wait to see the two volumes spliced together some day. And a short, more tightly edited 3 hour version would be pretty cool to see too (though I still loved every scene, even the ones that felt a bit extraneous).

my question is what could be "cut" the stuff where characters talk off plot is exatly why Tarantino is so popular with his dialogue. so is set up. i mean, edit a 2 hour verison of "pulp fiction" for instance, we'd prob. lose the "royale with cheese" bit, the foot massage bit, and alot more also, this is what makes his characters interesting. take out the character moments, then it just becomes another movie.

thanks you answered my question.

Loved it.

Real quick though...

Anyone notice how

it might be the whole "homage" thing that Tarantino was doing when it comes to continuity errors. (and maybe that scene was apart of "reshoots"

Mr. Majestyk.

Just got back.

I gotta say, I really loved it. I went expecting to be disappointed (mostly because of the high reviews that say nothing of the movie, and the fact that quite a few that liked vol 1 hated on vol 2) but man, chapters 7, 8, and 9 all flew by and the last chapter was shockingly sweet. Chapter 6 was also an ideal start.

but since everything has already covered I will just add:



Just an awesome awesome movie. Woulda liked a little more background on a few characters and their relation with the bride but, minor quibble.

Also, that HERO trailer is just absolutely gorgeous on the big screen - not a huge fan of the movie but jesus does it look beautiful up there.

i have another gripe with vol. 2...i would have liked a little more explanation as to why Bud was now the way he was, doing what he was doing and not assassinating or just more successful (i mean all the others Vernita, O-Ren, Elle were all seemingly successful and secure) and what happened between he and Bill and why was Bill not more angered ..we never know.

Same goes for Elle. We hear her talk to Bill all lovey dovey and vice versa on the phone in both 1 & 2, but never really see what their relationship is all about. if she took over where BK left off or what..ya know? anyone share my sentiments with those matters...

Indeed there were some aggrevatingly missing details that seemed to be lost between movies. I would have enjoyed more exposition on those characters, but admittingly, pacing issues would definitly arise. Perhaps there are a few cut scenes about it? As the movie stands, I'm loving the film, perhaps when this is all one movie, a few added scenes will clear them up.

As it stands, I found it fitting, but unfair that O-Ren got this excellent background sequence and not the others, though again - that would just butcher the pacing.

I don't mind the lack of detail between Bill and Elle though, that seemed well off enough for me. Was curious about the Bill and Budd bits though and Bride and Elle (tho I guess that has to do with Bill directly so I Guess the Bill/Elle relationship would have to be elaborated.)

To explain all the background between each character and the Bride (and Bill, for that matter), QT could have made this into five features - one for each on the hit list. I'm not kidding. I'm not saying he SHOULD have, or even that it is a good idea, but there were still some questions I'd love to know answers for.

RS

Just got back from seeing it, and I was really disappointed. The difference between the two are like night and day. And the first hour was so slowwwwwwwww. I didn't hate "V2", but after "V1", it had huge shoes to fill. I'd give it *** while I'd give the first ****.

V2 is a yawner. Very bloated. 20 minutes of action and 100 minutes of gabbing. I give it ** out of ****.

Maybe this has been answered before, if so I apologize as I missed it but

Naw, it shows what happend to her character in vol 1 as much as it needed to, and apparently does so in more detail in the uncut/r2 version.

I think a majority of the people that are "disappointed" in the movie were expecting more of volume 1 which I went in knowing from the get go, it would not be.

I thought the part with Budd at the titty bar was the only real "slow" part.

I saw volume 2 after watching volume 1 today, so it was fresh on my mind, and the contrast between the 2 films seemed like night and day, and not in a good way. Is it always good to be different just to be different? In this case, I vote no.

Volume 2 is overly bloated with bits that derail the pacing of the film, and it meanders all over the place in many spots with little in terms of payoff for the viewer. I think there's a good 90 minute film in volume 2. As it stands, there's 30-40 minutes that could have been trimmed away without losing any of the story flow or impact.

The final chapter left me uninterested and a bit on the bored side with the resolution. It felt like watching a poorly staged TV drama. Or it was like Tarantino got such a rush at directing all the action sequences, that the dramatic character scenes just didn't leap off the written page and become compelling cinema.

I give it 2.5 stars, or a C+ (if you liked volume 1, go see it, but there's no way I'd recommend someone who hadn't seen volume 1 to go see it at all).