Thanks!

so it seems that

is there any stuff that had to be cut so the movie could be R?

I'm going to a Miramax screening today!

Doubtful.

So I didn't get to go last Monday, but I went tonight.

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That's the only way I can describe it. Taken togther as one film, Kill Bill would definitely be my favorite Tarantino film. I still held on to Jackie Brown after seeing Vol. 1, but Vol. 2 pushed it to the top spot.

I remember QT saying one of the reasons he cut it into two parts is because watching it all at once would be too intense. I'm not sure about that, I think the emotions would be overwhelmingly powerful, but in a good way.

And, uch, Uma's feet are disgusting.

My only real complaint against the film is the Music Score. When I first heard RZA was going to help score it I was excited after a very kick ass job doing Ghost Dog. Added to the throw back sounds that QT wanted to put in it was something perfect.

Then comes Robert Rodriguez into the mix, which did a good job in Once Upon a Time In Mexico, but in this one it sounds like the typical Robert Rodriguez staple which didn't really fit in all the places it should have. You can tell which parts have Rodriguez's work because they are filled with Spanish guitars and have the same beats as. You can also tell which parts Rza really took hold of and which parts QT had already invisioned his sounds to be placed in.

In the long run Robert Rodriguez made Kill Bill Vol 2 sound like Once Upon A Time In Mexico. I really wish Rza had more control of it then it appeared that Rodriguez did.

The score didn't bother me, but then again, that was only my first time seeing it. But after Spy Kids 3 and the debacle that was Once Upon A Time In Mexico, I'm starting to be wary of anything that has Rodriguez's name on it.

Also, no one mentioned that the opening/closing credits looked like an old film noir. I thought that was a very nice touch.

And I actually enjoyed the swordplay more in this one. Obviously Vol. 1 had better sword-to-sword fighting, but this one had some really great stuff, specifically when and especially when Those moments really impressed me.

Advice for film goers. Stay for the ENTIRE ENTIRE credits. There is an extremely nice Pay off at the very end before the film rating comes up.

On second thought, the Spanish guitars worked because the film was a little more western-y than the last one. That being said, people who were saying this was going to be Tarantino's spaghetti western are flat-out wrong. I hope one day Tarantino does make a spaghetti western, but Kill Bill, Vol. 2 is not it.

The western feel was there. I might be particular to this because I really did get into Rodriguez's style in his other works and really paid too much attention during Once Upon A Time In Mexico.. in any case, you can tell the difference from what QT considers a western sound to what Rodriguez considers a western sound. You notice the QT choices and references by using

You can tell the Ennio Morricone sounds to the Robert Rodriguez sounds. Ennio has the Old Western sound down perfect while Rodriguez adds to much spanish flair to the mix. Take a gander at the soundtrack when you get the chance. I Love the Ennio tracks and they make for perfect Western feel.

As for Rza, I have to point out the perfect use of ABOUT HER by malcolm mclaren during the final scenes of the film. Simply perfect use to set up into the final confrontation for bill and the bride.

I had to split before the very end. Could you fill me in?

No doubt.

I was listening to Rodriguez's commentary on the Once/Mexico disc and noticed how he kept on bringing up "Leone" and how this movie has "Spaghetti Western music". And I was just saying to myself, "Sorry, Rod. But I just ain't hearing it". At least Tarantino knows you can't top the best so why not play the ORIGINAL themes that appeared in the actual films? Heck, Alan Silvestri does a much more convincing job than Rodriguez. Just check out his score for The Mexican.
And as for The RZA, about how many original pieces of music did he create that you were able to point out? I know that there's one that plays during The Bride's training session with Pei Mei (Saw/heard it on Ebert & Roeper) and that's definetly RZA's signature sound (It also plays on Bill's section at Kill-Bill.com) I sure hope there's just a little more.

The western feel was there at times. It was still more kung-fu exploitation than spaghetti western, though.

What I find funny about this is that if you listen to westerns before A Fistful of Dollars, the music sounds nothing like what Morricone would eventually do. Morricone completely shook up the world of westerns by using strange instrumentation (the flutes, the voices, the electric guitars ) and such prominent motifs. Also, Morricone was far more avant-garde than just about any other mainstream film composer, so his work has that extra edge. If his sound has become synonymous with westerns, it's only because he wrote THE theme to end all themes and it happened to be for a western. Westerns aren't really "meant" to sound like Morricone, he just happened to write amazing scores for westerns. So, with that in mind, I don't really mind Rodriguez's contributions.

I thought that was just a remix of "She's Not There" by The Zombies.

The thing is, Morricone wrote the themes to end all western themes. QT wants to play homage to what is now known of the feel. You think western you think of the man with no name films. So what the ideal thing to be shooting for is what it's paying homage to.

Rodriguez just has to much spanish flair to be tossed in the mix. Sure it was fine when kiddo was going to find estiban(sp) and all that, but for the texas scenes with Budd it just really needed more of that Morricone feel.

I was talking about Rza's inclusion to the score. That song sounds like he wanted it there. It's rather sad because it seems like the only other Rza influence was in the final credits in a score that is dominated by Rodriquez's ideal of what a western should sound like falling flat and sounding too much like Once Upon a time in mexico. While that was in it's own respect His version of a western, it was fine for that film and it's setting. It just comes across as too Rodriguez like for Kill Bill.

Good lord! It seems like everyone who lives in the L.A. area has already seen the movie multiple times. The rest of the country has to wait until tomorrow. No fair!

The one bit of RZA music in KBv2 is 10x better than the stuff he did in v1, but he only gets one noticable bit of score and then a credit-music intrumental

what parts did the RZA do for vol 1? and hopefully we can just have this thread and not have 2 like with dawn. oh and whats the official run time?

He did that little piece where the 88's surround The Bride right before the attack. I believe the runing time is 137 mins.

so what are the general thoughts by most of you so far. i'm seeing it tonight.

Loved it. It really makes me enjoy Vol 1 a whole lot more.

also are spoiler tags gonna be necessary?

So it's better than The Mummy Returns?