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Old 07-24-04 | 09:28 AM
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None of the earlier films in either series would have worked as PG-13s, period. It's not so much the gore itself as the tone the violence sets - the chestburster scene in the original alien creates an almost unbearable tension for the rest of the film the first time you see it, because once something so outlandish and grotesque has happened, you have no idea what will happen next.

Remember when Peter Jackson tried for a PG-13 for The Frighteners but got an R? There wasn't any worse violence in that than in LOTR, but the MPAA said it was too intense. It makes me worry that they have no such concern with AvP.
Old 07-24-04 | 09:43 AM
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All 4 Alien movies are Rated R and both Predator movies are Rated R.

However, when you combine an R-Rated Alien series with an R-Rated Predator series, you get a......PG-13 movie?

I'll still be there because I'm a fan of both franchises.
Old 07-24-04 | 10:09 AM
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I'll definitely wait and catch this on DVD now. Being a Paul Anderson film I was skeptical to begin with (hated everything he's done except Event Horizon). I'll save my $6.50 and rent it for a couple bucks.
Old 07-24-04 | 10:30 AM
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PG-13?

Reason No. 28 to avoid this movie like a herpes-infested hooker.
Old 07-24-04 | 12:07 PM
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I am on the "R" side of this argument, but some of the logic here is all wrong. Mookyman has it right . . . it isn't that I don't want a PG-13 rating just so that I can see buckets of blood spilled down the camera lens. Quite the opposite actually. I think that movies that go "more blood just for the sake of gore" are trying to cover up the fact that they have nothing more to offer. Example, I think that Kill Bill would have been a much better film with less of the cartoony blood. The over the top tone of the violence/gore is very distracting from the overall tone of the movie. Some people love the gore, I personally loathe the fact that the horror industry has all but disappeared into the splatter fests of crap that are released these days.

So why do I want an R rating? Like Mookyman said, it isn't about the gore, it is about the tone of the movie. Much like the fact that you can get away with the F-bomb in a PG-13 depending on its tonal usage. A PG-13 means that the intensity of the film will be robbed away. I suppose that the Predator and Alien flicks were rather gory, but you know what? I don't recall them that way because the violence and the gore were used in furtherance of the story not to cover up the fact that the story was poorly crafted. A PG-13 rating indicates that the suspense level will be cranked down a notch in a series that is built on its intensity.
Old 07-24-04 | 01:02 PM
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Looks like it'll be a wait until the unrated DVD to see this one.
Old 07-24-04 | 01:03 PM
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Got to love the internet. Filled with E-tough guys, furries, and people who will bash a film simply because of a rating.

Well I wrote of Dawn of the dead before I ever gave it a chance and I loved it. after that I've given anything a chance. Now Predator is something near and dear to me. As a kid I wore out 2 tapes of predator watching it constantly. I loved Predator and I loved alines. When you mix the two it's complete happy land for me. Though I was very much in doubt about it all when the first signs of this film came about and then you know what, I just let myself enjoy what this is.

Now if you are going to nit pick about the rating before you ever see it then you will walk into it hating it. If you want to do that fine, be my guest, but don't start trying to make logical faults of a film you haven't seen based on what you believe will not be in the film.

OMG!!!11111 THEY WONT HAVE A PREDATOR RIP OUT SOME1'S SKULL!!11111 WHAT EVAR WILL U DO?????!!?!?!?!1111

from the looks of things it doesn't seem like the predators are hunting the humans regardless. So no skull ripping is needed from them. Remember, they are using them as bait for the aliens. their big prize in the film is killing alines.

So Sci Fi Creature vs Sci Fi Other creature means that it will be unrealistic violence. It can see be pretty gory, but since it's two objects that do not represent reality, then perhaps, just perhaps they can get away with a little more on that rating.

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Old 07-24-04 | 01:22 PM
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I understand your point, Jack...but I ask you this: Why not demand the best from the studios? Why settle for a cheapening of a brand just to make more money? The Alien and the Predator series were forged on blood and guts. Jason X wasn't a good movie, but it was a hell of a lot more entertaining because of the gore. If they bumped Jason X down to a PG-13, and had Jason just been running amok knocking people unconciouswith a two-by-four, it would've been a shittier movie without question.

Aliens are scary as shit because they will explode out of your chest.

The Predator is badass because he'll skin your ass faster than you can say "Sexual-Ty-ran-o-saurus!"

I don't want to see these guys have a PG-13 pillowfight. I wanna see the only thing that I really loved about the original films as a kid. Being scared shitless and endless gore.
Now the chest poppers are one thing, but I doubt that there will be many inplantations shown in this film. And as for the blood and gore. Remember folks, Aliens bleed acid, Predators bleed Green kool aid. Since this will be a fight between those two with the humans involved as bait you really don't have the screen flowing with the blood of the humans all to much. So Realistic violence will be at a different scale opposed to aliens bursting and predators getting cut up.

The gore in the past films was more towards the creatures vs the humans. Now I may collect my pay check from this company, but I still have my own views on it and I don't get paid to kiss ass to any of their projects. Take a look at the things I've said about this franchise mix when it was in pre-production. Just feel that it could really turn out to be a fun film.

You wont see Predator and aliens having a pillow fight, you will see aliens being popped, but in doing so it's not the same level of violence counted as say a chest burster seeing the light of day.
Old 07-24-04 | 01:51 PM
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If they bumped Jason X down to a PG-13, and had Jason just been running amok knocking people unconciouswith a two-by-four, it would've been a shittier movie without question.
Nothing can make Jason X a shittier movie. It pretty much scraped the bottom of the barrell. I'm a Friday the 13th fan, but that movie.... It looked like they stole the sets from Andromeda...You could smell the canadian bacon coming off of the film...
Old 07-24-04 | 05:16 PM
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Now I may collect my pay check from this company, but I still have my own views on it and I don't get paid to kiss ass to any of their projects. Take a look at the things I've said about this franchise mix when it was in pre-production. Just feel that it could really turn out to be a fun film.
Jack,

What exactly do you do for a living?
Old 07-24-04 | 07:19 PM
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You didn't know?

He is Paul Anderson. It's a fairly well known thing among the regulars on this board.
Old 07-24-04 | 07:23 PM
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OH NOES!111 The secret is out of the bag!

Nah, I'm just part of the production crew on many random fox projects around the lot.
Old 07-24-04 | 09:13 PM
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I didn't want to bleieve it but during America's Most Wanted there it was, Rated PG-13 on my screen.

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sucks ! too many films are PG 13 now !
Old 07-25-04 | 03:04 AM
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I didn't want to bleieve it but during America's Most Wanted there it was, Rated PG-13 on my screen.

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Old 07-25-04 | 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Now the chest poppers are one thing, but I doubt that there will be many inplantations shown in this film. And as for the blood and gore. Remember folks, Aliens bleed acid, Predators bleed Green kool aid. Since this will be a fight between those two with the humans involved as bait you really don't have the screen flowing with the blood of the humans all to much. So Realistic violence will be at a different scale opposed to aliens bursting and predators getting cut up.

The gore in the past films was more towards the creatures vs the humans. Now I may collect my pay check from this company, but I still have my own views on it and I don't get paid to kiss ass to any of their projects. Take a look at the things I've said about this franchise mix when it was in pre-production. Just feel that it could really turn out to be a fun film.

You wont see Predator and aliens having a pillow fight, you will see aliens being popped, but in doing so it's not the same level of violence counted as say a chest burster seeing the light of day.
Jack is right. Last i checked it's Aliens vs Predator, Not Aliens and Not Predator. Ratings is based upon on human violence not Cgi vs puppets.
Old 07-25-04 | 07:26 AM
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Last i checked it's Aliens vs Predator
Actually, it's Alien vs Predator... No 's'!
Old 07-25-04 | 07:33 AM
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Jack is right. Last i checked it's Aliens vs Predator, Not Aliens and Not Predator. Ratings is based upon on human violence not Cgi vs puppets.
I doubt you could have an alien F'ing a predator, or a predator cutting off heads with acid spilling everywhere and cop a PG-13 rating...but wait, it isn't humans!

The violence will be super toned down. Lame.
Old 07-25-04 | 12:39 PM
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Well this sucks. I was looking forward to this, and now I'm not as much.
Old 07-25-04 | 01:52 PM
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I doubt you could have an alien F'ing a predator, or a predator cutting off heads with acid spilling everywhere and cop a PG-13 rating...but wait, it isn't humans!

The violence will be super toned down. Lame.
You'll be pretty surprised that if it is a sci fi creature then you can really get away with the head chopping action and other things of that nature. LOTR: TT had head chopping action. Episode II had an arm chop off with a fantasy weapon. It's not something to rule out just yet.
Old 07-25-04 | 03:29 PM
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I really liked Event Horizon, and better horror film IMHO... I might actually see this film, who knows it might be an American version of Yimou Zhang's Hero.
Old 07-25-04 | 03:43 PM
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I'm a violence whore. I must get a few R-rated films in a month otherwise I go crazy.

No vilonce in AVP makes Jon go something, something.
Crazy?
Don't mind if I do!

Seriously, ratings don't mean nada, but, and its a big but, its Aliens and Predator and its rated PG-13? But I'm stoked to see it nonetheless.
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You know some of you guys are saying a pg-13 movie can have alien on apredator violence and get away with that. Let's get real...what movie, in our existence, got a pg-13 and reaches the type of violence we're talking about? None really...none at all.

The pg-13 just means that this is a sanitized action flick. And considering how Anderson isn't IMO a very good action director, or writer, that doesn't bode well for this film. Pretty much the only thing I was looking forward to was some kick ass ALien and predator action. That involves gore, not rapid cutaways.

I'll still watch this cause I love these characters. but everything points to this thing sucking and being a cheap imitation of the movies it's copying. I mean Predator 2...shitty movie but at LEAST it had some gore. And Paul Anderson is right about even in his directing abilities as Stephen Hopkins. Ahhh oh well. I didn't care for Event Horizon, but I was at least hoping for that Paul Anderson to make this movie.
Old 07-25-04 | 06:03 PM
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what movie, in our existence, got a pg-13 and reaches the type of violence we're talking about? None really...none at all.
Already mentioned some:

Star Wars: Episode II.. Guy gets arm SLICED completely off. Alien creatures get zapped and exploded. Head decapitated

Star Wars Episode I: Man gets sliced completely in half.

LOTR: Fellowship of the ring Man gets shot with arrows. Beast gest sliced a good one

LOTR: The Two Towers: People fall to their death, impaded, sliced, spliced, etc.

LOTR: Return of the King: Decapitated heads flung at people, Beast heads sitting around.

Jaws - PG film and look at the bush, the blood and the gore. We're gonna need a bigger example.

Indiana jones and the temple of doom: Heart anyone? SNAKES or Snacks? you decide.

I think a lot of you are taking this PG-13 rating a bit to far in screaming bloody murder. This is not the end of the world. Just deal with it. Go check it out for yourself and then you can bitch and moan all you want about the what should of, could have, and would have been of this franchise which I'm pretty sure will at the very least be entertaining regardless of the lack of human skulls.
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I think a lot of you are taking this PG-13 rating a bit to far in screaming bloody murder. This is not the end of the world. Just deal with it. Go check it out for yourself and then you can bitch and moan all you want about the what should of, could have, and would have been of this franchise which I'm pretty sure will at the very least be entertaining regardless of the lack of human skulls.
Ok, odds are we will. In the meantime, I think we will still discuss what a bad omen this rating is. If that's ok with you, that is No, it's not the end of the world. But it could be the end of two franchises I enjoy.


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