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Originally posted by das Monkey <BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth immortal_zeus •<HR SIZE=1>How the hell did she know she was in a coma for four years? :confused: <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Lines on her hands. http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif |
Care to elaborate? That makes no sense at all. It's "alternative" and not everyone believes you can do stuff like that (she woulda had to of read it prior to the wedding as well), but was definitly a creative way to help her figure it out. It's sort of the same way of "How did she know who Buck was? And how could she possibly know to look for a Texas tag in the parking lot?" because she heard it while she was in a coma (as it shows)? but does that really make a whole lot of sense? arguable :D |
How did she get her sword past airport security?
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<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth outcastja •<HR SIZE=1>How did she get her sword past airport security? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Waved her hand in front of the guard's face and said, "these aren't the droids you're looking for." das |
Originally posted by outcastja How did she get her sword past airport security? |
Heh ... I was going to say the same thing but couldn't really justify it with "logic." Clearly, this was a plane where swords were allowed, though, and it was made obvious, so it's not a plot hole, just an unknown curiosity.
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Originally posted by das Monkey <BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth outcastja •<HR SIZE=1>How did she get her sword past airport security? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> Waved her hand in front of the guard's face and said, "these aren't the droids you're looking for." das |
Dude, all flights in and out of Japan and China have sword holders so the samurai can have a convenient place to hold their swords. DUH!
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Originally posted by spainlinx0 Did you notice that there were sword holders on the plane? That's just the kind of world it is. It's not our world. I noticed the swords, too, and brought up that point in the first thread. http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif |
No, I believe there was actually a slot next to every seat that was designed to hold a sword (which, incidentally, also happens to be inside its sheath, or whatever). What we're talking about is like a beverage/cup holder in a car. Beverage=sword, cup=sheath, beverage/cup holder=sword holder in plane.
Or something. I think I'll go to bed now. |
Sounds like a good analogy to me.
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It was my impression that those weren't actual swords, but rather decoration inside the plane. But the "sword holder/cup holder" thing works for me too.
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Actually, if I remember correctly, in a shot of Uma on the plane you can see an empty sword sheath mounted on the side of the aisle seat next to hers.
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Originally posted by grrrah Yo Pixy, Can you share the details? hopefully online? well, i guess I can try searching myself... |
Kill Bill in the US IS censored. Take it from someone who has seen both the Hong Kong and US versions.
Things I noticed: Spoiler:
There's other stuff that I forgot. But the HK version is DEFINITELY bloodier than the US version. I guess that Miramax had to sanitize it for the US, which is really unfortunate. (hence the B&W to mute the amout of blood on the floor). But if this discussion is already debated to the point of overkill, please ignore my post ;) |
Unless there's more than one guy cut in half, they did show the guy cut in half in the US version (during the B&W sequence).
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If it was "censored" at all it was self-censorship on the part of Tarantino - he had "final cut" on the film, which gives him complete control over everything in the film.
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Censored.. -ohbfrank- :lol:
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Originally posted by Grimfarrow Kill Bill in the US IS censored. Take it from someone who has seen both the Hong Kong and US versions. Things I noticed: Spoiler:
There's other stuff that I forgot. But the HK version is DEFINITELY bloodier than the US version. I guess that Miramax had to sanitize it for the US, which is really unfortunate. (hence the B&W to mute the amout of blood on the floor). But if this discussion is already debated to the point of overkill, please ignore my post ;) Spoiler:
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Not sure if we really need spoilers now for the US version here but just in case:
POSSIBLE TINY SPOILER!!!!!!!! I was curious about the lip bite thing as well. Something definitely seemed cut between that shot and the ensuing one. Any thoughts on that Grimfarrow? |
Originally posted by PixyJunket http://www.maverick.com/kill-bill/buy/flash.html |
Spoiler:
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In the version I saw the bride had grabbed the hillbilly's tongue with her teeth, and it cut away to Buck coming back in. From Buck's POV you could see that the guy's throat was all ripped out, probably from the Bride's teeth. I'd imagine it was that which killed him.
And yes, Sophie seemed to have all but that one arm still attached when she was tossed down the hill, but The Bride could have removed... OTHER parts of her. I'll have to check the script again to see what was supposed to have been removed. |
Am I the only one who is happy with what we got, a fun movie? Too many people seemed to be worried about 1 or 2 seconds of extra gore or the appearance of fake blood.
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Originally posted by PixyJunket Am I the only one who is happy with what we got, a fun movie? Too many people seemed to be worried about 1 or 2 seconds of extra gore or the appearance of fake blood. |
Originally posted by jough In the version I saw the bride had grabbed the hillbilly's tongue with her teeth, and it cut away to Buck coming back in. From Buck's POV you could see that the guy's throat was all ripped out, probably from the Bride's teeth. I'd imagine it was that which killed him. And yes, Sophie seemed to have all but that one arm still attached when she was tossed down the hill, but The Bride could have removed... OTHER parts of her. I'll have to check the script again to see what was supposed to have been removed. |
I think the scene w/ the bride killing senor redneck was cut on purpose - the movie is entirely playful with it's blood, that scene in particular wouldn't have been in any way, and thus wasn't in the movie.. but what do I know.
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The cut is written in the final shooting script. So I don't think what actually happened to hillbilly boy was even filmed.
EDIT Okay, here's a piece of the earlier blue pages with the scene pretty much completely different than in the film: Quentin Tarantino wrote: INT. HALLWAY (HOSPITAL) - NIGHT Gerald paces, waiting for his turn behind the door. THEN... He hears behind the door a commotion, then Warren SCREAM LIKE A BITCH. He bangs on the closed door and says; GERALD He man, keep it down in there, I can hear your ass out here. More falsetto SCREAMS behind the door... THEN... The HEAVY THUD of a body falling. Not what he expected. INT. THE BRIDE'S ROOM - NIGHT Gerald pushes open the door to see one hellva sight. His buddy, bloody and lying motionless on the floor, and The Bride lying haphazardly on the bed, in her coma. He moves to his buddy, who's dead. Then moves to The comatose Bride... Who SUDDENLY SPRINGS TO LIFE, GRABBING him by the front of his shirt, YANKING HIM DOWN TO HER, and PLUNGING the I.V. NEEDLE in her arm DEEP INTO HIS TEMPLE, THEN TWISTING IT AROUND and AROUND, turning the right side of his brain into scrambled eggs a la The BRIDE. She tosses the now brain-dead Gerald to the floor. |
Whoa, the needle shot would've been interesting!
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Originally posted by Numanoid Has anyone ever said that the MPAA forced Tarantino to go to B&W, as Jack seems to be indicating? I think it's pretty clear from the above that Tarantino willingly went to B&W for American audiences out of 1) Fear of the dreaded NC-17 (here's your MPAA influence) and 2) He didn't think American audiences could stomach it. Then AFTER seeing the B&W, he decided he liked that better, artistically. Which of course doesn't explain why the foreign releases are in color. Tarantino was on Kevin & Bean on KROQ in LA. He talked about Kill Bill pretty extensively. From the interview, I wouldn't even say he chose the B&W just for aesthics. He said that Asian audience are used to very bloody scenes, while American/European audiences aren't. He felt the the scene was so bloody/red that it would become distracting for Americans/Europeans -- i.e. that's all they would remember/talk about/notice about that scene. I haven't seen the movie, but he seems to be implying that there is stuff going on in the scene that he wants audience to notice/understand -- and that with all the blood/red it would distract them -- but he doesn't believe that Asians would have the same problem. As far as splitting the movie in two. Tarantino said that while he didn't come up with the idea, he embraced it. He said he was happy that Weinstein asked him to make two movies because he knew that making one would have required him to do a lot more editing in order to get it down to a reasonable time and to flow right. With 2 movies, he felt a lot less confined in what he could do. So.. either Taranitino is lying and is "working for the man." or Taratino is telling the truth and y'all need to stop your whining! |
So apparently Tarantino is saying that he has spoon-feed American audiences (and surprisingly, European viewers as well) just like the rest of Hollywood does on a regular basis. :lol:
Wooo, thank god he didn't distract me with all that colourful blood I could have seen. Good thing he didn't put too many shiny objects in the film as well, or I would have been completely confused. ;) Screw all this, I still think the B&W is a cop out but I know, its all been argued to death here enough. |
We should put out a petition for an early February re-release in full, unedited, unrated format :D Of course, I doubt any theaters here would show it, but hey it'd be pretty badass if you ask me :)
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Originally posted by DodgingCars Tarantino was on Kevin & Bean on KROQ in LA. He talked about Kill Bill pretty extensively. From the interview, I wouldn't even say he chose the B&W just for aesthics. He said that Asian audience are used to very bloody scenes, while American/European audiences aren't. He felt the the scene was so bloody/red that it would become distracting for Americans/Europeans -- i.e. that's all they would remember/talk about/notice about that scene. I haven't seen the movie, but he seems to be implying that there is stuff going on in the scene that he wants audience to notice/understand -- and that with all the blood/red it would distract them -- but he doesn't believe that Asians would have the same problem. Just kidding, don't get your feathers ruffled. http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif |
Originally posted by immortal_zeus So in other words, he's saying that Asians are smarter than Americans. :D Just kidding, don't get your feathers ruffled. http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif |
I'd just like to say that I'm a damn good driver. Asian women, on the other hand....watch out. :p
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Originally posted by jough The cut is written in the final shooting script. So I don't think what actually happened to hillbilly boy was even filmed. EDIT Okay, here's a piece of the earlier blue pages with the scene pretty much completely different than in the film: |
I figured the lip-biting scene was filmed that way more for pratical reasons than for any other reason. From the brief shot of the lip-biting we see, his lip obviously had to be fake at that point. Using the cuts, they didn't have to figure out how to realisticly show a lip stretching and then being torn.
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Originally posted by matome That's one of the few things that bothered me. Given the intensity of the door slamming, when they cut to the shot where The Bride leans over his body to peek out the hall, the guy's head looked fine, no blood or anything. Wouldn't his skull have been crushed with blood and brain matter all over??? Spoiler:
With all that said, thumbs up for this flick, hopefully we'll have even more Sonny Chiba in Vol. 2! |
Originally posted by Jay G. I figured the lip-biting scene was filmed that way more for pratical reasons than for any other reason. From the brief shot of the lip-biting we see, his lip obviously had to be fake at that point. Using the cuts, they didn't have to figure out how to realisticly show a lip stretching and then being torn. |
Forgive me if this was already covered in this voluminous thread, but wasn't the hospital orderly that arranged the "rendezvous" the same actor that played Michael Keaton's cop partner in Jackie Brown? I'm pretty certain the answer is yes. I guess that Michael was too busy to play the redneck.
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