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Mondo Kane 10-18-03 06:47 PM


Originally posted by Ringo20000

By the way does anyone know the name of the first song the 5,6,7,8's are playing when Go-Go goes out looking for Uma. Only "Woo Hoo" is in the soundtrack.

It's either "I'm Blue" or "I walk like Jane Mansfield".

I'm curious to see which scenes get the most reaction from the crowds you guys saw the movie with. And no, I'm not talking about those folks that left during the middle of the movie and blabbered on the way out, I'm talking about those who stayed and had a helluva good time.

I've seen K-B three times with three different crowds and here's some of the reactions I get:

-A quick gasp as soon The Bride finishes her 1st line of the film
-Another gasp when a certain child makes her 2nd appearance
-A wince (From me) every time GoGo empties her 1st victim
-A laugh from some a certain guy in the crowd when O-Ren creates a geyser out of Boss Tanaka
-A laugh (From me, again) when the ball bounces off the back of GoGo's head
-A "AW YEAH" from the guy in his late teens when the eyeball gets poked out

How about your reactions?

And are spoiler bars necessary at this time of the thread?

matome 10-18-03 07:15 PM

Someone posted the songs that are in the movie but not on the soundtrack over at Amazon:

"Music Box Dancer"
Written by: Frank Mills

"Armundo"
Written by: David Allen Young
Performed by: David Allen Young

"Truck Turner"
Written by: Isaac Hayes
Performed by: Isaac Hayes

"Seven Notes in Black"
Written by: Franco Bixie, Fabio Frizzi & Vince Tempera
Performed by: Vince Tempera & Orchestra

"I Lunghi Giorni Della Vendetta / The Long Day of Vengeance"
Written by: Armando Trovajoli
Performed by: Armando Trovajoli

"Il Grande Duello / The Grand Duel, M10"
Written by: Luis Bacalov
Performed by: Luis Bacalov

"Wound That Meals"
Written by: Takeshi Kobayashi
Performed by: Lily Cheu-Cheu

"I Walk Like Jane Mansfield"
Written by: The 5.6.7.8's
Performed by: The 5.6.7.8's

"I giorni dell'ira"
Written by: Riziere Ortolani
Performed by: Riz Ortolani

"I'm Blue"
Written by: Ike Turner
Performed by: The 5.6.7.8's

"Death Rides a Horse"
Written by: Ennio Morricone

Performed by: Ennio Morricone

"Champions of Death"
Written by: Shuzsuko Kibushi

"White Lightning"
Written by: Charles Bernstein
Performed by: Charles Bernstein

"Police Check Point"
Written by: Harry Betts
Performed by: Harry Betts

"Nobody But Me"
Performed by: The Human Beinz

"Yaguyu Conspiracy"
Written by: Toshiaki Tsushima
Performed by: Toshiaki Tsushima

Lily Chou-Chou - Kaihukusuru kizu (plays in the attic)

Meiko Kaji - Urami-Bushi (plays during credits)

SpinnerX 10-18-03 07:19 PM

I saw it on opening day with a crowd of only around 20 people and I didn't hear a single peep from anyone until this girl behind me started busting a gut when Uma spanked the kid with her sword. Maybe it was because I'd already seen Kurosawa's version of this same scene, but it struck me as really odd that the only thing this girl found funny in the whole movie was this one scene.

cultshock 10-18-03 11:51 PM


Originally posted by Mondo Kane


I'm curious to see which scenes get the most reaction from the crowds you guys saw the movie with. And no, I'm not talking about those folks that left during the middle of the movie and blabbered on the way out, I'm talking about those who stayed and had a helluva good time.

I've seen K-B three times with three different crowds and here's some of the reactions I get:

-A quick gasp as soon The Bride finishes her 1st line of the film
-Another gasp when a certain child makes her 2nd appearance
-A wince (From me) every time GoGo empties her 1st victim
-A laugh from some a certain guy in the crowd when O-Ren creates a geyser out of Boss Tanaka
-A laugh (From me, again) when the ball bounces off the back of GoGo's head
-A "AW YEAH" from the guy in his late teens when the eyeball gets poked out

How about your reactions?

And are spoiler bars necessary at this time of the thread?

I saw the film again tonight (this time in a full theatre) and there were similar reactions to what you state. Also, a strong reaction from many females during Buck's rules to the would-be rapist in the coma ward (along the lines of "I can't believe I'm hearing this"). Also Uma's repeated bashing of Buck's head in the door brought a combination of gasps, winces, Ohhhs and laughs.
Its was pretty cool, this time it was a full house in the theatre but everyone seemed to love it. Laughs and wows at the right parts, dead silence during the quiet parts, no walk outs, etc. Its the best audience I've experienced in quite some time. The only negatives I heard was at the end, when I heard alot of people who couldn't believe that the story stopped there. I guess they weren't aware of the film being "Vol. 1". :lol:


BTW, after a second viewing, I still love the film. But I did notice a couple scenes this time that could have benifitted from slightly tighter editing (if this ended up being released as one film as originally planned, QT might have tightened things up a little bit). I know that Tarantino likes to let scenes run long sometimes, and I have no problem with a slower paced film (hey I liked Jackie Brown) but its just an observation. And I can't wait to see this film yet again. Its like a drug or something. :lol:

FiveO 10-19-03 09:45 AM


Originally posted by sdcrym
Just saw this last night. I think I spotted a giant error that is not a minor detail like the hospital scene discussed in part 1 of this thread.

At some point in "The Bride" giving her narrative description of O-Ren Ishii, Lucy Lui's face is centered on screen. The narrative then begins to describe the person TO O-REN ISHII'S RIGHT as Sofie Fatale, AS THE CAMERA PANS TO THE RIGHT, meaning SOFIE FATALE IS ACTUALLY TO O-REN ISHII'S LEFT .

I believe I'm correct, and next time I see it I will try to verify.


Saw that last night in my 2nd viewing of the film.

Only way I can explain it is that its to OUR right of Oren...but there is definitely a mis-calculation there.

B.A. 10-19-03 09:50 PM

That was definitely interesting and it got better as it went along, particularly when she arrived in Okinawa.

**** out of *****

Gunshy 10-20-03 01:34 AM

Just saw KB tonight. Bizarre flick, can't decide if I like it yet, at least not before another show. Heh heh, couple behind me kept sighing and/or moaning softly *especially* during the most violent parts! Guess they were either bothered by it (not surprising) or getting off on it (it really sounded like moaning especially from her) :eek:

-Gunshy

atlantamoi 10-20-03 09:11 AM

Went and saw it yesterday specifically just to have fun. I could care less where this film ends up historically. I did enjoy it for the camp and goofy characters. I think I enjoy Guy Ritchie's style better... "Snatch" to me was a bit cooler. Not sure why.

Big Boy Laroux 10-20-03 10:20 AM

ok... not a horrible movie, but certainly not a good movie.

tarantino better be glad he has his reputation, cause if this had been his first movie, it would never have seen the light of day.

i didn't know that blood could shoot out of the body like it was being shot out of a fire hose...

the major disappointing thing is the dialogue. it's really not very good at all. one of the best things about reservoir dogs and pulp fiction is the dialogue. good mix of humor and drama. there was nothing like that in this movie. the only times i laughed was at the ridiculousness of the blood-flow.

acting was good, but there wasn't much to work with. it was pretty stoic the whole way through. and it makes it even worse that we didn't get the whole story.

there is absolutely no reason this couldn't have been one movie. tarantino is so in love with himself, he thinks everything he shoots deserves to be in the movie. there were a number of useless scenes and waaaaaaaaaay too many scenes went on waaaaaaaaaaay too long. edit the damn movie!

retihsuhnt 10-20-03 11:29 AM

Okay I didnt read the first part of this thread or the above ten (10) pages, but I did see KB on Friday and liked what I saw for the reasons I saw it. I mean after a week of dealing with criminals its good to be able to simply turn one's brain off and watch senseless violence.

But I must admit I had two (2) huge problems with the movie. I mean these two (2) things seem to punish the viewer that pays attention to the movie. First off, why in the hell does QT show "The Bride" crossing off the second person's name from the list when it reveals the outcome of the "first fight"? The audience is then fully aware that "The Bride" survives chapter five. And number two, why would Budd be third on the list and in neither of the scenes where a name is crossed off the list is his name not marked off since he (Budd) is the second person "The Bride" kills?

I have only seen three (3) of QT's movies, and its safe to say that while this was much better than "Jackie Brown", it in no way approaches "Pulp Fiction."

Big Boy Laroux 10-20-03 11:31 AM

budd is michael madsen. we don't see her anywhere near him in the first volume. chronologically, she kills liu first, then fox.

RichC2 10-20-03 11:47 AM


First off, why in the hell does QT show "The Bride" crossing off the second person's name from the list when it reveals the outcome of the "first fight"?
Chronologically, it's the second fight, she found O-Ren Ishii first ("She was the first on my list, and easiest to find.") and got the info on the other DiVAS from Sofie Fatale ("You're going to give me information...")


The audience is then fully aware that "The Bride" survives chapter five.
Yup, it's like one big flashback but isn't really. Somehow some people didn't catch that thing about O-Ren but ah well.


And number two, why would Budd be third on the list and in neither of the scenes where a name is crossed off the list is his name not marked off since he (Budd) is the second person "The Bride" kills?
You're thinking Buck, whose here to ****, not Budd. Budd is only shown in a few short scenes and only speaks one real line "That woman deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die." at the end of the movie. And if you're not thinking Buck, I have no idea what you're talking about, since Budd is still alive come the end of Volume I.


I have only seen three (3) of QT's movies, and its safe to say that while this was much better than "Jackie Brown", it in no way approaches "Pulp Fiction."
It's a really different movie than Pulp Fiction, kind of like comparing apples and oranges but to each their own.

I'm personally a big fan of this movie, one of the most entertaining escapist action flicks I've seen. Also I thought the acting in it was quite good - mind you, physically speaking - the speech is quite stoic throughout but these people are "warriors" and have to speak hard and stern. There's a lot of eye emotion through the movie (Vernita Green vs. The Bride, the apology between O-Ren and The Bride, The Bride contemplaying during the fight scenes on what she can and is supposed to be doing, etc; ), but I guess I'm reading into it a bit much.

das Monkey 10-20-03 11:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth retihsuhnt •<HR SIZE=1>First off, why in the hell does QT show "The Bride" crossing off the second person's name from the list when it reveals the outcome of the "first fight"? The audience is then fully aware that "The Bride" survives chapter five.<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
This is the style. It's not important that you know whether or not she survives; what's important is how it happens. Many stories are about the journey, not the outcome. Besides, did you honestly think for half a second that she <i>wouldn't</i> survive the first fight?
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Big Boy Laroux •<HR SIZE=1>i didn't know that blood could shoot out of the body like it was being shot out of a fire hose... <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Um ... the goal here wasn't to depict realistic violence, but rather a love letter to an unrealistic and extravagant genre.

das

Groucho 10-20-03 11:52 AM


Originally posted by retihsuhnt
The audience is then fully aware that "The Bride" survives chapter five.
The audience should be fully aware of this before they even walk into the theater considering that it's Volume 1.

Like I said earlier, if you didn't like this...don't see Pulp Fiction, which does this same thing only in reverse. A character is killed off, and later features in another segment that takes place earlier chronologically.

retihsuhnt 10-20-03 11:53 AM

I stand corrected on the Budd/Buck thing.


Originally posted by RichC2
Chronologically, it's the second fight, she found O-Ren Ishii first ("She was the first on my list, and easiest to find.") and got the info on the other DiVAS from Sofie Fatale ("You're going to give me information...")
I understand that it was the second fight, thats why I said it reveals the outcome of the first, that outcome being Ishii's death.

And like I said before the list thing was something that really just bugged me because if one pay attentions they lose the "reward."

I simply listed the QT movies I had seen in the order in which I like them; PF, KB, and then JB (I wasnt trying to compare them).

Jackskeleton 10-20-03 11:57 AM

Not to mention that this is Vol 1 (of 2) of a revenage film. Do you honestly think the bride wouldn't survive the battles?


It doesn't matter that we know she survives the first battle. It's QT's editing style and it has worked well in the past, as well as in this one.

das Monkey 10-20-03 11:57 AM

I'm confused. What is the "reward" of which you speak? As for paying attention, there was nothing subtle about her list. If you picked up on the fact that Uma Thurman was trying to kill people, you picked up on the sequencing of her list.

das

das Monkey 10-20-03 11:59 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Jackskeleton •<HR SIZE=1>Not to mention that this is Vol 1 (of 2) of a revenage film. Do you honestly think the bride wouldn't survive the battles? <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Groucho •<HR SIZE=1>The audience should be fully aware of this before they even walk into the theater considering that it's Volume 1.<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth das Monkey •<HR SIZE=1>did you honestly think for half a second that she <i>wouldn't</i> survive the first fight?<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah ... not to mention. :D

das

Jackskeleton 10-20-03 12:04 PM

wow. odd how I said the same thing you both did without reading it in the thread. :eek:

Groucho 10-20-03 12:04 PM

To be fair, your post appeared while I was still typing my reply. In many ways, it's a spoiler for my post...even though it appears first, chronologically mine should be first!!!

das Monkey 10-20-03 12:07 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Groucho •<HR SIZE=1>To be fair, your post appeared while I was still typing my reply. In many ways, it's a spoiler for my post...even though it appears first, chronologically mine should be first!!! <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hopefully no one pay attentions, else they'll lose the reward. ;)

das

Jackskeleton 10-20-03 12:14 PM

I like these replies in black and white myself. but I hate how dvdtalk Forces us to not show them in their true red and green colors.

das Monkey 10-20-03 12:15 PM

Give it a rest.

das

jough 10-20-03 02:30 PM

I find the black and white text to be distracting. I think they changed it to appease the MPAA. ;)

Jackskeleton 10-20-03 02:49 PM

yup, you know us americans. we can't stand the site of colored text.

B.A. 10-20-03 04:22 PM

Okay, the more I think about it the more I liked this movie.

My favorite part of the film was the Okinawa sequence w/ Sonny Chiba. I have not seen hardly any of the films that QT drew upon for inspiration, but I did know who Sonny Chiba was. I thought he was fantastic and I really enjoyed his character and this whole portion of the movie. The back and forth dialogue at the bar between him, the Bride and his son was great.

I didn't mind the anime story-telling of O'Ren's past (I have no opinion of anime one way or the other since I haven't seen more than a few films w/ it). It didn't take me out of the pic and I thought it was kind of interesting.

I liked the Black and White sequence at the House of the Blue Leaves. I liked how he introduced it and ended it. I don't understand all of the bitching about it. It was a great fight, and I thought Uma was superb, as she was throughout the film (She had a slew of great one liners). I really enjoyed the fight scene in silhouette. I loved it when she knocked out the lights - I thought it looked great. Then the spanking had me rotfl. The ensuing fight w/ O'Ren in the snowy garden was great looking, too.

I liked the fight at the beginning w/ Vivica's character, but I really hope that they add more back-story for her in the next volume. Besides the fact that it set up the merciless revenge for the movie, it just seemed some-what pointless.

The soundtrack was one of the things that made this movie for me. That was the only thing about it that my dad liked - he thought it was just too over-the-top, as did my brother-in-law. He knew it was going to be an homage to the genres that QT loved, but he said it was too cheesy, and that QT's movies already had that cheesy, B-movie quality to them, but he simply went overboard w/ this one, particularly w/ the fountains of blood. My dad didn't care for it, and my brother-in-law thought it was okay - he said that until she arrived in Okinawa he really didn't care for it.

I was grimacing when she was slamming the door on Buck's head. Ouch!!!

Daryl Hannah as Elle Driver was quite funny. I really enjoyed her whistling in the hallway - great touch.

I loved Julie Dreyfus - what a beautiful woman - hopefully we may get a little more in the next movie - like what Bill does w/ her. Something, anything would be a blessing.

The lady who played GoGo did nothing for me. Her character was cool in sick and twisted way, but the actress was f'ugly. Sorry, but she was.

Liked Lucy Liu's look in the flashbacks w/ the shorter hair. The best she has ever looked.

I loved how they ended it w/ Bill's comments to Sofie and I can't wait for the next one.

(I can't believe Uma did this just a few months after having a child - very impressive and it makes you appreciate her best role yet even more.)


The only thing wrong w/ this film was that it wasn't shot in New Zealand. ;)

Big Boy Laroux 10-20-03 04:44 PM

ah, forgot to mention the one thing i really liked. the soundtrack. thanks for reminding me.

DVDho78DTS 10-20-03 05:06 PM


Originally posted by B.A.hist
The lady who played GoGo did nothing for me. Her character was cool in sick and twisted way, but the actress was f'ugly. Sorry, but she was.
Bite your tongue buddy! ;)

I'm really looking forward to Vol. 2 as well. :)

B.A. 10-20-03 05:29 PM


Originally posted by DVD-ho78(DTS)
Bite your tongue buddy! ;)
Sorry, dude - but her nose is bigger than mine, and I have a big nose. :D

RichC2 10-20-03 06:19 PM


Originally posted by B.A.hist
Sorry, dude - but her nose is bigger than mine, and I have a big nose. :D
Chiaki Kuriyama (Gogo (KB), Chigusa (BR)) is cute, but yeah has a huge nose.

That all said, she get's ****ing memorable roles, I've seen her in two movies, in supporting roles, and she's made a huge impact.

(She had the most memorable fight from Kill Bill, as well as that "Do you want to screw me?" sequence.. in Battle Royale she pulled off perhaps the most painful murder in recent movie history.)

matome 10-20-03 07:53 PM


Originally posted by B.A.hist
...
I was grimacing when she was slamming the door on Buck's head. Ouch!!!


That's one of the few things that bothered me. Given the intensity of the door slamming, when they cut to the shot where The Bride leans over his body to peek out the hall, the guy's head looked fine, no blood or anything. Wouldn't his skull have been crushed with blood and brain matter all over???

grrrah 10-20-03 08:19 PM


Originally posted by PixyJunket
My friend pointed out where I could buy the soundtrack on VINYL. Comes with a free poster too.

:banana:

Yo Pixy,

Can you share the details? hopefully online? well, i guess I can try searching myself...

Inverse 10-20-03 08:25 PM

For that matter, during the whole time she's sitting there willing her toes to move, why hasn't someone found the orderly's body and called the cops? And wouldn't the cops have then tracked down the ***** Wagon in the garage? I mean, they had *13 hours*, for crying out loud.

But of course you're not supposed to mention stuff like that because it's, y'know, an homage to the crappy plotting of exploitation movies. And calling it "an homage" makes it art!

matome 10-20-03 08:37 PM

She could've dragged the bodies into the corner of the room and since it's the coma ward I doubt many people check on them (thus being able to let people bang away freely).

das Monkey 10-20-03 09:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth matome •<HR SIZE=1>She could've dragged the bodies into the corner of the room and since it's the coma ward I doubt many people check on them (thus being able to let people bang away freely). <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sure Buck has things worked out where he has a large amount of autonomy in that section such that he isn't disturbed. Considering she had no real connections to the world (no one checking up on her) AND she was shot in the head AND in a coma, chances are she had the absolute lowest possible care imaginable in that situation.

das

bsktballDude1 10-20-03 09:32 PM

So does anyone think the oscars will recognize this movie in any catorgory come February?

I will be seeing this for a second time this upcoming weekend....can't wait.

jough 10-20-03 09:55 PM

Generally in a ward like that they just turn the bodies once or twice a day, and since Buck *is* the person who was supposed to be doing that, it's likely that no one would find him for hours upon hours even after his shift ended.

And who would think to check IN his car for someone? Have you seen the police investigate something? It could take them *days* to figure out that his keys are missing.

DAYS.

immortal_zeus 10-20-03 09:56 PM


Originally posted by das Monkey
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth matome •<HR SIZE=1>She could've dragged the bodies into the corner of the room and since it's the coma ward I doubt many people check on them (thus being able to let people bang away freely). <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm sure Buck has things worked out where he has a large amount of autonomy in that section such that he isn't disturbed. Considering she had no real connections to the world (no one checking up on her) AND she was shot in the head AND in a coma, chances are she had the absolute lowest possible care imaginable in that situation.

das

You know, the thing I don't understand--and somebody correct me if I'm wrong--but when she wakes up from the coma (the scene where she touches her stomach and realizes that her baby isn't there anymore), she looks at her hands and says "four years, four years". How the hell did she know she was in a coma for four years? :confused: Also, I'm no doctor, but I would think that after being a vegetable for four years, she'd have some memory loss, but there wasn't any.

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sdcrym 10-20-03 10:05 PM

These past few posts have reminded me of one of the funniest parts early on in the movie.

Spoiler:
after she steals Buck's keys, she begins to search for his car in the parking garage. She approaches the giant yellow truck with the phrase "***** Wagon" in giant stylized letters on the back. She stands there a moment, then looks down at the keychain bearing an identically stylized "***** Wagon", as if she was checking some randomly obscure ID number on a valet ticket, then smiles after she realizes its a match


I suppose the spoilers are unnecessary, but I enjoyed using them. I could see this one coming from a mile away, but I still couldn't help but bust out laughing. I had to contain it a few seconds until the joke actually completed to avoid sounding like an idiot in the theater.

das Monkey 10-20-03 11:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth immortal_zeus •<HR SIZE=1>How the hell did she know she was in a coma for four years? :confused: <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Lines on her hands.
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth immortal_zeus •<HR SIZE=1>Also, I'm no doctor, but I would think that after being a vegetable for four years, she'd have some memory loss, but there wasn't any.<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sometimes ... sometimes not. Really depends on the patient.

das

Come on, guys ... gotta try harder than this. :)


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