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FYI:
In the new isssue of Black Belt, there is a picture of Spoiler:
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No, he's in Vol. 2. There's a picture of them in the Kill Bill issue of American Cinematographer too.
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Michael Jai White would make sense. If you watch the first trailer for Kill Bill, before it was split, there is a shot of Michael swingin a sword around.
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Michael Jai White - that was Urckel, right?
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Originally posted by jough Michael Jai White - that was Urckel, right? |
The American version gets Urkel, the Japanese version gets Spawn.
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I've just read some reports on the Mobius forum from a couple people who watched Kill Bill in Japan this past weekend. For people wondering about the fate of Sophie Fatale:
Spoiler:
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Hey guys. First of all I just wanna say it is quite interesting to see how opinions can vary from forum to forum. Most of the guys at Gaming Age are trashing the film. And I would like you guys to take a glance at some of the impressions in THIS THREAD. I particularly want to get your opinions on what this guy posted and the reasons he did not enjoy the movie. Let me know what you think.
Saw Kill Bill on the weekend, and I have the following opinion to offer: 1. Quentin Tarentino should stick to witty dialogue and leave the blind hero-worship of Asian film-makers to the likes of Larry and Andy Wachowski, who at least know how to do it right. 2. The fighting was sloppily executed and boring to watch. 3. Fight scenes towards the end were shown in different colour balances - this is design school 101. Changing the colour balance is what you do to make an uninteresting image look interesting. By the time they got to the silhouettes in the blue background, I was already asking why the scene was still going. 4. It's essentially a very uninteresting story that's had its order rearranged to sound interesting. Once you realise this, you ask why the dialogue isn't that witty, and it all falls down from there. 5. Tarentino couldn't edit the film down to fit inside 3 hours? What an egomaniac. The movie could've easily done with some savage cuts. Like the bathroom scene where she takes off her yellow jacket to reveal.... ANOTHER YELLOW JACKET! Pace, anticipation etc was all lost as a result of numerous redundant scenes. 6. Story inconsistencies. She sat in the ***** Wagon for 13 hours without getting caught at all? AND she drove it again a whole month later after returning from Okinawa/Tokyo? Please.... 7. The only scene that was worthwhile was Lucy Liu's run along the table. I actually grinned with excitement for the first time when the head hit the floor. Then she went off on a really, really terribly written tirade about speaking up, which just ruined the pace again. Sorry, for my money, Kill Bill is very forgettable B-Grade nonsense. Oh, I've no doubt you could follow everything that happened in the fight scenes - I know I definitely did. My criticism of the editing is of the volume of inconsequential fluff that was allowed to stay in - this is allegedly the reason Tarentino couldn't keep the movie inside 3 hours. For me, the key to a good edit is when the storyteller knows when to stop. Quick cuts and flashes to different perspectives don't bother me. It's when I'm sitting there thinking "why am I still watching this scene?" or "I've had enough. Can we move to the next scene already?" that really irk me. That scene with Lucy Liu on top of the table (again) is especially crucial to me, because right after she cuts off the guy's head, there really isn't a need to say anything more. The scene is done. Putting any more on top of it just feels like overkill. He didn't accomplish anything by keeping the additional dialogue in there and getting Lucy to tell us what we already know: that she's a badass and that she won't be talked to like that. In fact, I think the scene lost a lot of its edginess with the dialogue. quote: ------------------------------------------------ In your opinion.... And just exactly WHAT...when it comes to the "blind hero worship of asian film makers" are andy and larry doing more right than Tarentino? If its creating good fight scenes...well then..your stupid cause ping does them for BOTH camps. ---------------------------------------------- Yes... of course it's my opinion... I don't know who else's it would be... I think I qualified that (needlessly, I'd imagine) from the beginning, so I'm glad it's not lost upon you. Yuen Wu Peng simply choreographs the fights. He is not involved in the editing process. Larry and Andy are better at directing and editing :) Case in point: Lucy Liu jumping on the table and lopping the man's head off. Once the head hits the floor, that's where the scene should stop. That's how the scene would've finished in an HK flick or an anime (like Ninja Scroll). Quentin's personal touch - adding in some truly lame dialogue - just ruined the pace of a scene that should've finished much earlier. quote: --------------------------------------------- or trying to get a rated R rating instead of a NC 17 because of so much violence, gore and blood...thus making thnigs go black and white. [sarcasm]but no....obviously tarentino didnt do stuff he shouldve learned in film school...cause u know, film school is where you learn how to make a real movie....and if you take a course in film then and only then will you be able to action scenes correctly.[/sarcasm] --------------------------------------------- They changed the color balance for censorship? *shrug* if you say so. There are a lot of other things they could've done as well. But from a DESIGN perspective (as opposed to film school), it's still a common trick that's used to make something uninteresting look interesting. quote: ------------------------------------------ thats one of tarentino's trademarks man. dur Or have you not seen his previous movies. ------------------------------------------- It's little quips like "dur" that make me think I'm talking to a 12 year old. I've seen Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, even From Dusk Till Dawn; I own the DVDs and CD soundtracks for all of them - I don't need you to point out the obvious. quote: ------------------------------------------ i see no Correlation with the Dialogue's wittyness and the Sequencing of the movie at all. Maybe if i snorted some coke like you, before viewing the movie, i would notice. Il try that next time i hang out with tony montana. ---------------------------------------- Maybe I didn't connect the dots as clearly as I should've. To me, if the story doesn't hold the movie up, then there are other things that should hold it up - like the dialogue, or the fighting, or the cinematography, etc etc. Since Tarentino lauds himself for his dialogue, I looked immediately to that aspect and found it wanting. quote: ------------------------------------ Well it is his movie, and his work. Therefore, if he feels he needs to keep things in he will. I dont see how it makes him a Egomaniac for keeping in scenes that will add for laughter.....like that jacket scene u are referring to. And im sure you probably didnt find it funny as the rest of us but thats just you. ------------------------------------ He's an egomaniac because, and I'm quoting him here, "I don't make movies for other people. I make movies for ME". Hey, that's fine man - if Quentin feel he's above criticism and that my needs as a paying customer don't matter to him, then I'll just care less the next time I see one of his movies come around. Oh, and that jacket bit is one of the oldest and most tired gags around. Maybe it would've been funny in the right context, but I was expecting a fight to have broken out at least 2 minutes earlier. quote: --------------------------------------- Yes, ever heard of FICTION? Thats what this movie is...a work of Fiction. If you wanna go there...andy and larry are pretty inconsistent cause Neo shouldnt be able to fly. Hell neo shouldnt be able to do anything he does...and there should be no Zion and matrix. It should just be a normal world. Cause thats more consistent with real life. ----------------------------------------- I only said Larry and Andy are better directors/editors - not better writers :) Maybe my standards are too high, but I generally ask very little of the movies I watch: that they make sense. That's not too much to ask, is it? |
That's just another man's opinion.
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He's convinced me. Give me my $8 back!
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Originally posted by isamu Intresting People are allowed to have their opinions, and I'm allowed to say they're wrong :D That said, I think I'm completely over The Matrix thanks to all the fanboys. The day people stop comparing everything to Matrix's subpar, slow-mo fight sequences will be the day I uhm... yea - that day. |
That scene with Lucy Liu on top of the table (again) is especially crucial to me, because right after she cuts off the guy's head, there really isn't a need to say anything more. The scene is done. Putting any more on top of it just feels like overkill. He didn't accomplish anything by keeping the additional dialogue in there and getting Lucy to tell us what we already know: that she's a badass and that she won't be talked to like that. In fact, I think the scene lost a lot of its edginess with the dialogue. but how come I love that little speech of hers so much ... finding it a highpoint of the movie .. even though i find the switch in language silly ... :) food for thought |
Originally posted by jough He's convinced me. Give me my $8 back! I have to agree with caipirina and RichC2. but how come I love that little speech of hers so much ... finding it a highpoint of the movie .. even though i find the switch in language silly In real life, such a switch in language would be silly, but of course, this film is not the real world, its Tarantino-land. That end of the speech in English just wouldn't have had the same effect if it was in Japanese with English subtitles. One of the things I find refreshing about Tarantino's films is that he likes to let scenes run longer than most filmmakers would (much to the frustration, often times, to editor Sally Menke). Sometimes it doesn't work for me, but usually it does. |
God, if you thought that scene was too long don't watch Mr. Blonde go to his car and back into the warehouse for the petrol can in Reservoir Dogs, or watch Jules and Vincent "hang back" because "it ain't quite time yet", or Butch sneak up to his own apartment for 2 and a half minutes in Pulp Fiction, or watch Jackie Brown go by on a people mover for nearly four minutes in Jackie Brown.
Part of Tarantino's style is excess in most areas. Excess of dialogue, of camera moves, of music, of just about everything (in Kill Bill there'd be an excess of blood, shots of The Bride's toes, and of cool 70s style silouettes). |
Originally posted by jough Part of Tarantino's style is excess in most areas. Excess of dialogue, of camera moves, of music, of just about everything (in Kill Bill there'd be an excess of blood, shots of The Bride's toes, and of cool 70s style silouettes). |
I've always used the same ring tone on my phone, except on holidays where I'll change it to a festive tune.
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i never even owned the same phone longer than ... hmm .. 15 months was max i guess ...
now .. what's up with Yuki ??? will we see her ??? |
ooops .. seems not http://uma-thurman.zanlius.com/ reports that the scene was never shot .. while on the other hand Harry Knowles at aintitcool.com swore that the scene was shot ... hmmm
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Too bad, I liked the Yuki part of the original script. Thanks for the link too. The guy that does that Uma site also has a pretty decent English language Chiaki Kuriyama (Go Go Yubari) site.
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Thanks for Yuki links. Sounded kinda interesting to be sure.
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Originally posted by caipirina interesting .. very correct ... if you need to think in terms of "make the movie fast or we are losing the typical, popcorn munching, low attention span audience" ... i agree that the scene could have been totally over after head off and blood squirt ... but how come I love that little speech of hers so much ... finding it a highpoint of the movie .. even though i find the switch in language silly ... :) food for thought |
Does anybody happen to remember how the members of the crazy 88 carried their swords? I'm being one for Halloween tonight and I can't remember if they wore it on the side or across their back.
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they just showed up on screen with them out. other then on the cycle they just carried them in hand.
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Just saw it again and noticed that the last shot of Uma (talking to Bill?) which is in B&W, her eyes gradually turn blue while the rest of the shot stays B&W. I thought that was pretty cool! :D
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Originally posted by ianholm Just saw it again and noticed that the last shot of Uma (talking to Bill?) This is one thing that's confused a few people. A lot of guys think that the "How did you find me?" line is a predecessor of what is bound to occur in the future (In Volume 2) as soon as The Bride arrives back in America. But that line is actually mentioned outside the chapel before The Bride got married. *Proof* Trailer If you haven't seen this trailer yet, it's got scenes from Volume 2. |
Just watched it on DVD tonight. The version I have had alot of stutters from the dupping process I assume. This was the american version based on the reports from above. The picture quality was quite good considering and no dolby digital sound. A bug "Property of Miramax" was across the top for the whole movie but, it wasn't that disctracting. I liked the movie and can't wait for volume 2.
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You might have been watching the Work print version since that was the one with the Prop of mirmax text on top.
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Originally posted by ianholm Just saw it again and noticed that the last shot of Uma (talking to Bill?) which is in B&W, her eyes gradually turn blue while the rest of the shot stays B&W. I thought that was pretty cool! :D Kudos to the guy going as a Crazy 88 for Halloween ... cool idea ... here is one theorie .. which maybe i do not even want a reply to (from those people who read the script) ... many reviewers complain that they cannot connect with the bride because the reason for her being killed is unclear ... i think: Spoiler:
does that make sense ??? I have to admit that the scene in Texas confused me as I had trouble with the accent .. and the subtitle function on my remote did not work in the theater .. oh yeah .. and you guy with pirate DVD .. i hate you ! ... and you should really watch the movie the first time in the theater (but sure, i'd love to even have that friggin work print to check out little scenes later) |
Originally posted by Mondo Kane Yup it's Bill. This is one thing that's confused a few people. A lot of guys think that the "How did you find me?" line is a predecessor of what is bound to occur in the future (In Volume 2) as soon as The Bride arrives back in America. But that line is actually mentioned outside the chapel before The Bride got married. *Proof* Trailer If you haven't seen this trailer yet, it's got scenes from Volume 2. |
And I don't think that QT will end up leaving much of the story out. There will probably be a couple ambiguous questions after everything is over. But I think most of it will get cleared up in Vol. II. |
me too . never seen this trailer .. I am actually still downloading .. so far .. about 40 secs, it looks like a trailer for KB2 .. thanks for the link Quentin, i know you'd be posting it here first :)
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Actually that trailer is included on the soundtrack CD. If you open it in Windows Explorer there's a folder called Videos and it's the one titled KB3.mov (AKA Trailer #2-Q.T. Bootleg). There are also the two original trailers on there as well. Or you can run the killbill.exe file for a menu of them.
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Does anyone have this promo U.K. DVD?
http://i12.ebayimg.com/03/i/00/d3/8d/2a_1.JPG Kill Bill Volume 1 Promotional DVD from The Times. Taratinio talks exclusively to The Times about revenge, swords, Brit-flicks, censors and why he waited six years for Uma Thurman. PLUS previously unseen material, interviews and trailors from Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown. Plus theme tune to Kill Bill. |
1:33 so far
seems that trailer was shot in some theater .. and the budd scenes are mirrored ... but looking good .. darn i hate the online connection here |
That trailer link is the theatrical trailer for Kill Bill Vol. 1.
It's the same one offered at the Kill-Bill.com site. |
Originally posted by isamu Does anyone have this promo U.K. DVD? |
I just watched this the other night, and really enjoyed it. I think I might even see it again next Tuesday, if it's still playing, when the local theater has a "bargain" night. I hope the DVD release has the House of Blue Leaves fight in color. And I loved the anime sequence.
I really would like to find a great samurai sword now, but it looks like they run over $1000. Quentin really made use of the 2.35:1 aspect ratio too. I wonder how they are going to transfer the split screen portion for the pan and scan video. Eew! |
Originally posted by bdshort ... I hope the DVD release has the House of Blue Leaves fight in color. |
I'm actually wanting to see this again. When I finished watching it last night I thought it was pretty good, but maybe not a masterpiece of standout cinema or anything, but it's growing on me.
I'll wait for both DVDs to be released together in one set, hopefully in an unrated version. Maybe even cut together into one single film. Brian |
I would like to see the three+ hour Kill Bill volumes condensed into a more tightly edited 2 1/2 hour film.
The only thing that'll have made splitting them in two worthwhile is if Vol. 2's title card read: The 4 1/2th Film by Quentin Tarantino |
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