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Originally posted by Jack Straw Forgive me if this was already covered in this voluminous thread, but wasn't the hospital orderly that arranged the "rendezvous" the same actor that played Michael Keaton's cop partner in Jackie Brown? I'm pretty certain the answer is yes. I guess that Michael was too busy to play the redneck. |
More details of the Japanese cut, from the Daily Yomiuri:
Tarantino a la japonaise: Raw and bloody Naomi Tajitsu Daily Yomiuri Staff Writer Privileged audiences in Japan, you're in for a treat. Quentin Tarantino knows that we can take what he dishes out better than American or European audiences, so he's come up with an exclusive version of Kill Bill that is more vibrant and visceral than what the rest of the world is seeing. The Japan version, which will also be screened in other Asian countries, is only a minute or two longer than the American one, but according to producer Lawrence Bender, it packs a bigger punch. There are a few extra shots in different scenes, the anime sequence of O-Ren Ishii's (Lucy Liu) childhood is longer, and the entire House of Leaves scene, where the Bride (Uma Thurman) slices and dices the Crazy 88, remains in color throughout (as opposed to cutting to black and white and then back to color in the American version). In addition, the dedication in the opening credits to the late Kinji Fukasaku, the king of ultraviolence and one of Tarantino's great influences, is not included on the American version. Of course, images of dismembered corpses falling en masse into a bloody pool have more impact in color than in black and white, but while Bender admits the Japan version is more violent than the American one, he maintains that all the changes were made in the name of style and aesthetics. "Quentin just felt that stylistically, (it's what) the Japanese would want," explains the producer, who has been working with Tarantino since Reservoir Dogs. "It's just a vibrant, more aggressive feeling. It's a stronger feeling. With black and white, it gives it a different style. "By being in color, it hits you harder than in black and white," he continues. "The blood is red, as opposed to being black, you know, so it just hits you a little bit stronger in color. You see more detail in color." According to Bender, Tarantino had wanted to make a Japan version of Kill Bill from the beginning, out of respect to both the culture that inspired a considerable amount of the film's content and the land where much of the film's first installment takes place. Also, the version is a salute to the Japanese who worked on the film's crew and cast, including Shinichi "Sonny" Chiba, who plays Okinawan swordmaker Hattori Hanzo. The producer also explains that subtle differences between the violence in the two versions has a little to do with the common perception that Japanese audiences have a high tolerance for representations of violence. "People in Japan have grown up watching yakuza movies and watching more violent movies," he says. "They're not used to those kinds of movies in the United States." And then finally, the truth comes out. "Americans just can't take as much as the Japanese," Bender admits. --Naomi Tajitsu And the dedication to Kinji Fukasaku is a nice touch. |
Oh yeah, I'll be picking up the Jap. DVD asap. Give me more blood and gore, baby!
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Originally posted by matome Oh yeah, I'll be picking up the Jap. DVD asap. Give me more blood and gore, baby! |
Ah yes, but I'm sure that QT would have never allowed the release of this alternate version if it did not equally represent his intent and vision (albeit for a different intended audience, an audience that I find my own film sensibilities closer to). Let the debate continue.... ;)
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton Get it in Full screen as well since you really don't care about the Directors intent. ;) |
I'm a Japanese person at heart :) definitely in my tastes for action and violence so yes the japanese version of this film is intended for me and meant for me
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^^same here! :)
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Sounds more like he made concessions for the American market, and not the Asian market.
Why can't they both be director's intent? And since when is director's intent the be-all-end-all? That's like saying it's a prefect film as is and you wouldn't change a thing. There's no such thing as a prefect film - not even Citizen Kane, though I'm not sure what I'd change w/ Kane to make it better better for me (though, it's already great), it's a little more obvious as to what I would change in Kill Bill. ;) |
Originally posted by Original Desmond I'm a Japanese person at heart :) definitely in my tastes for action and violence so yes the japanese version of this film is intended for me and meant for me |
Remember the hidden extended version on T2:The Ultimate Edition? *Hint*miramax*Hint*
Afterall, Special Features are unrated right? Right? |
Originally posted by Jackskeleton Get it in Full screen as well since you really don't care about the Directors intent. ;) |
I know what I will be importing:)
Though this whole arguement is pointless. Just because they made some compromises for the U.S. release to get as much through as possible,does not meann it is the version he wanted us to see,if he could get his way that is. Yet stupid studio politics & a uptight MPAA always threatening everything with an NC-17 prevented that. Also the 'lip' sequence in the hospital was obviouslly cut in a jaring way. Do you think Tarantino intended the scene to be that way? How people defend editing for ratings reasons is rather funny. So uncut version,Here I come:) |
Originally posted by Julie Walker So uncut version,Here I come:) http://www.ameritech.net/users/dvdtalk/rome.gif |
Julie: read the early draft of the script. What happens to the rapist is actually more graphic in the movie than what happened originally in the script (it was *all* offscreen--though it was a bit different, there were 3 guys.) And the shift to B&W during the yakuza scene is explicitly spelled out.
The theory that QT was forced to change stuff at the last minute by the MPAA just isn't borne out. If anything, the pressure to change things from what QT originally specified is coming from the Japanese market! Though from reading this thread, I get the impression that most people here think that adding in a bunch of extra arterial bloodsprays would improve any movie. |
It's pointless to argue with him inverse, once he believes it's censorship he wont let it go even though it's been proven that this isn't the case here.
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If anything, the pressure to change things from what QT originally specified is coming from the Japanese market! Though from reading this thread, I get the impression that most people here think that adding in a bunch of extra arterial bloodsprays would improve any movie. Yeah, OK, the Japanese market demanded that Tarantino deliver them a more violent version, against his wishes. Saying that isn't any better than those that say that the MPAA forced the B&W, etc :rolleyes: C'mon, this is Tarantino's vision of an exploitation film. In the exploitation era, the more violent and bloody a film was, the better it was to exploitation audiences. Thinking about it, I think that this deal with different versions is just one more sly nod to the films that inspired it. Different territories got different cuts of such films all the time. |
Oh man ... ok .. I am obvously a bit late ... already 14 pages full of stuff ... mainly about BW, MPAA, japanese version ....
Here a very different question, having seen the movie for the 3rd time yesterday ,.... Spoiler:
so ? any opinion ??? |
^ yes, that is supposed to be a younger Bill.
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^^^^ is there a source confirming that?
thanks |
It's not Bill in the script. But who knows - many things can change in the editing room.
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hmm ... script was initially written for Warren Beatty ... in that case I would not have drawn that connection ... but carradine, being so non defineable (if asian or caucasian) .. may make sense ...
or the young guy is the guy who knows whats in that friggin suitcase ... :) Ha .. here a funny rumor .. in the japanese version there is no animated sequence ... as they have no problem doing a scene like that with an 11 year old schoolgirl-actress :) .. ok .. just kidding |
Originally posted by caipirina ^^^^ is there a source confirming that? thanks I thought it was pretty obvious, and I'm a little curious as to how it's even a point of contention. |
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Carradine doesn't have any asian in him so wth r u talking about?
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Originally posted by isamu Carradine doesn't have any asian in him so wth r u talking about? |
Originally posted by Julie Walker Also the 'lip' sequence in the hospital was obviouslly cut in a jaring way. Do you think Tarantino intended the scene to be that way? |
speaking about odd cuts .. there is one when BRIDE gets into the P*Wagon .. great music ... which is suddenly cut off .. you even see breifly some penned cut marks ... i bet that was planned too ..
what a great way to do a movie "we can f-word up everything we want and say later that it is intentional, artisitic and an homage to the crappy editors from way back then" this "cutting the music off" happened quite often./ In that "sheriff comes to chapel" scene, it even goes along with sonn #1's hand movement ... weird |
sorry, don't have time to read all these pages
saw it last night. Super bloody, didn't really bother me but it was kind of over the top. I'm figuring the black and white was done in part so that they wouldn't have to show all the blood. I've heard of other movies having to do things like that to keep form being nc-17 |
Had to see it again, this time snuck out without the wife (she hated it :D) and tried to catch all the little things I missed since reading this thread from the beginning. I have to say the scenes in Okinawa were just friggin beautiful. Between the way Uma looked, the sets, the lighting (I noticed a few shots in the attic where Sonny was lit up like a God) and just the reverence of the moments with the swords got to me. And when "The Lonely Shepherd" cued up, it gave me goosebumps. I know a lot of people didn't like that scene, but I may have enjoyed it more that the action ones.
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3 questions (probably already answers but i cant read 14 pages):
1. what do you guys mean you wish you got the color version instead of the B&W version...i know a few scenes were in B&W but i thought it was suppose to be like that. 2. why did they bleep out her name every time it was mentioned? 3. what was the song called when you see lucy lui and her gang walking through the restaurant? you hear it alot in the commercials...i like it alot. |
1. It's written in the script that that the middle of the fight is supposed to turn B&W. But the Japanese version will show the entire sequence in color and just about everyone here would like to see how this looks.
2.It's supposed to be a mystery (Kinda like "The Man with no Name") and we're not supposed to find out what her name was and why Bill had her killed until VOL-2. 3."Battle Without Honor or Humanity" by Tomoyasu Hotei. It's on the CD. |
I had a question as well. Any reason why her legs had atrophied so bad she couldn't use them, but her arms were strong enough to slam the guy's head in the door multiple times, drag her through the hospital and into the truck? That kind of bugged me when watching it.
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Originally posted by Mondo Kane 2.It's supposed to be a mystery (Kinda like "The Man with no Name") . |
Originally posted by slop101 But you can CLEARLY read her name on her plane ticket, so that can't be it... |
not even sure if her name is a plotpoint or will be revealed in vol 2 ... i just read a bit of the script and it simply says "name bleeped out, from now on we shall call her THE BRIDE" ... why QT does that ? well, because he is f'd up of course :)
Like .. one thing that was bugging me is how very different Uma is when she first walks into Sonny's sushi bar (great place, you don't order a thing and get sushi right away ... I know that in many places you get a little free appetizer .. but that being maguro nigiri ??? nice :) ,,, anyways .. she plays THE BRIDE very differently .. but that is exactly like that in the script "she acts like the typical airheaded american tourist" .. but WHY ??? Here is my question of the day ... will there be "Yuki's Revenge" in vol 2 ??? rumor had it that it was shot .. but the character did not make its entree at "Showdown" .. hmmm .. but this way they could use the same actress to totally mindf-word us all ... well .. i am psyched, curios, interested ... want the DVD, the ext. Version, the japanese version, the box set, the O-ren blow up doll, the sword replica ... and of course VOL 2 |
another question...how did sophie survive all that blood loss?
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Originally posted by atari2600 another question...how did sophie survive all that blood loss? |
Finally caught this saturday. I liked it, but wasn't blown away or anything. I'd probably give it a B.
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Originally posted by atari2600 another question...how did sophie survive all that blood loss? i keep hearing the japanese version shows what else is being cut off ... while Bride says "give me your arm" i doubt she cuts of the remaining arm .. it is still visible in her snow hill tumble ... so .. i guess fingers ??? |
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