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Perhaps the switch to b&w is to show how Uma's character had to switch something off to be able to go out and maim and kill a large group of people she didn't have a problem with. She went into her own little b&w world to get the job done.
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interesting review
just saw this regarding Kill Bill... not having seen the film it is difficult to comment, but I certainly agree with the reviewers comments about Tarintino's previous works (I also was very offended by the racist undertones of Resovoir Dogs and understand I am in a very small minority that feels that way)..
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Worst of all he doesn't understand the movie (despite his $10 words). The story is told out of order with the second victim (Vivica Fox) comming first. Hence the murder of the black character is seen first even though it happens second. Therefore it is a cliche (the black character is always killed off first). And since everything in Kill Bill is a cliche it works. It's a joke...get it? Oh wait I forgot you turned in your sense of humor when you got your ACLU card. Movies like this aren't made for humorless intellectuals. |
Re: interesting review
<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth cinemaman •<HR SIZE=1>just saw this regarding Kill Bill... not having seen the film it is difficult to comment, but I certainly agree with the reviewers comments about Tarintino's previous works (I also was very offended by the racist undertones of Resovoir Dogs and understand I am in a very small minority that feels that way)..
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16964 <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE> I mean absolutely no disrespect to you personally for posting that article, but that's one of the most narrow-minded, and dare I say racist, things I've read in quite a while. It's ironic that the author's name is "White" considering how obsessed he is with painting the most innocent situation as an example of racism. Freedom with the thesaurus doesn't make for intelligent commentary. I'd address each of his baseless points individually, but it would be pointless as the author has no grasp of these films beyond the superficial, but I found this particularly silly: It's no coincidence that Pulp Fiction made a star of Samuel L. Jackson, who embodied Tarantino's devolution of blaxploitation heroism (a prototype that was always community conscious) as a figure of single-minded, craven, remorselessness. I don't like painting with such broad strokes, but this article reads like a racist trying to justify his hate through the guise of large words. das |
It's another bait-and-switch role, used to lure black filmgoers to a movie and then be conveniently dispatched to appease white racist distaste. Vernita's death in Kill Bill is another heartless narrative furbelow in a storyline and movie that, in the end, simply continues Hollywood's white-supremacist conventions. I am a person of color and to me the real meaning of "color blind" is to be truly "blind" to each other's skin color. |
Originally posted by Rypro 525 I wasn't sure how she Spoiler:
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I know I'm joining this discussion late but I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Now when I first heard about this movie I had mixed feelings. I'm a huge Tarantino fan but also a HUGE Hong Kong movie fan (as well as Japanese). So I expected this to be a decent attempt at capturing the HK style by verified fanboy QT. What I got was so much more. The merging of Quentin's trademark style (which is not just defined by his mixing up of sequence) with a highly stylized kung-fu homage blew me away. Best Movie of the Year. Yeah you heard me. |
Okay.. I didn't want to be the first to respond to that article.. but Pants, das, and jar covered everything I could've said and more.
Buuut.. the Vivica's character does bring up a question I thought of.. it appears that she quit "the life", but how come she wasn't hunted down and killed? I'm hoping this is one of the things explained in vol. 2. |
Originally posted by PixyJunket Buuut.. the Vivica's character does bring up a question I thought of.. it appears that she quit "the life", but how come she wasn't hunted down and killed? I'm hoping this is one of the things explained in vol. 2. |
Regarding the bleeping of the name I thought at the time they were saying bitch and just bleeping it as a joke because the child was present. It could also go back to the Clint Eastwood westerns where no one knows the name of the character Eastwood plays. Wouldn't surprise me if that unknown name was inspired from a Asian movie anyway as A Fistful Of Dollars was based on Yojimbo.
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Originally posted by drunkrob Wouldn't surprise me if that unknown name was inspired from a Asian movie anyway as A Fistful Of Dollars was based on Yojimbo. |
Originally posted by PixyJunket Okay.. I didn't want to be the first to respond to that article.. but Pants, das, and jar covered everything I could've said and more. Buuut.. the Vivica's character does bring up a question I thought of.. it appears that she quit "the life", but how come she wasn't hunted down and killed? I'm hoping this is one of the things explained in vol. 2. I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps she wasn't entirely out of the business yet and could be called back at any given point. Perhaps to do whatever she wanted for the time being, just like O-Ren is the head of an orginization. eh. who knows |
Buuut.. the Vivica's character does bring up a question I thought of.. it appears that she quit "the life", but how come she wasn't hunted down and killed? I'm hoping this is one of the things explained in vol. 2 Originally posted by Jackskeleton I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps she wasn't entirely out of the business yet and could be called back at any given point. Perhaps to do whatever she wanted for the time being, just like O-Ren is the head of an orginization. eh. who knows |
And I hope that there was a reason why Vernita's "DiVA title" wasn't presented in VOL I. |
Originally posted by jmj713 But it was. It's Copperhead, as I recall. The Bride says it at one point and you can see it written in her list. |
Originally posted by jmj713 But it was. It's Copperhead, as I recall. The Bride says it at one point and you can see it written in her list. ELLE DRIVER Member of The DEADLY VIPER ASSASSINATION SQUAD codename: "CALIFORNIA MOUNTAIN SNAKE" I expected to see all the DiVA squad to be presented like that. But maybe we'll see it in VOL II. |
The DiVAS thing not happening on Vernita Green seemed to throw a bunch of people off - perhaps she's no longer a member ("She changed her ways" remember?) as is stated at the beginning, and hell she even changed her name.
Or perhaps it isn't the first time since the incident that she's run into her (rather - seen her.) who knows, I'm not really bothered by it :D |
The Bride is Black Mamba
Vernita Green is Copperhead O-Ren Ishii is Cottonmouth Budd is Sidewinder Elle Driver is California Mountain Snake And, it seems that the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad breaks up sometime after they try to kill the Bride. My guess is that the Bride thinks they have broken up before she gets married. For some reason anyway, Bill wants her dead. After they put the Bride in a coma, perhaps Vernita Green is promised a new life as a housewife. O-Ren and Sofie Fatale goes off to run the yakuza. I guess Budd goes and plays cowboy. And I think Elle Driver keeps working for Bill. |
Whoops, I misread that in the movie hahah.. That clears stuff up nicely.
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Originally posted by Mondo Kane No. What I was referring to was the giant character title that Elle and O-Ren recieved. Example: ELLE DRIVER Member of The DEADLY VIPER ASSASSINATION SQUAD codename: "CALIFORNIA MOUNTAIN SNAKE" I expected to see all the DiVA squad to be presented like that. But maybe we'll see it in VOL II. |
The rumor is that it was changed since Charlie's Angels had done a very similar 70's montage. |
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If anyone finds out please post if the Asain cut shows more of Sofie & The Bride. Spoiler:
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yeah, but what exactly is removed? fingers? since when she is rolling she does seem to have all the parts we saw her have before.
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