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Old 10-12-03 | 02:07 AM
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Vivivan for me, done nothing, infact I wish they would of left her out. Every other word was "bitch" and the the dialouge was almost to much on the comedy side.
Exactly what I was saying. Maybe she'll be developed more in vol 2. I hope.

two other points I wanted to make:
1. I read in a review somewhere, how if they had left it at 3.5 hours, the audience would have felt like the Bride. Imagine 3.5 hours of revenge, and limb hacking, I think it would be an incredible film experience.

2. and again, why did the Bride follow Sofie Fatale for a little while, and then just take-off? I thought she was following her.

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And yes, Uma clearly says it's Bill's baby in the opening scene.
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Old 10-12-03 | 02:20 AM
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Hey trigun, curious - you like it?
I loved it. I guess a lot of people are going in with the wrong expectations, or can't stomach a little blood, even if it's done in such an over-the-top fashion.

I find it silly that people go into an R-rated Tarantino movie with the word "KILL" in the title, and are surprised when it turns out to be violent. I thought people were shelling out movie to be entertained by onscreen violence. Only if it's sanitary with no messy aftermath I guess.

I have a feeling that the average viewer will be turned off by the animated sequence. That's when the most people left during the showing I attended. I doubt it was the subject matter of the chapter. Many people probably hold the opinion that animation = silly cartoons, and are upset to see it used as a method of narrative in a movie.
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Old 10-12-03 | 03:05 AM
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Say it on FRiday, and DAMN!!! I loved it!! The group of friends I saw it with were the only five clapping when it ended. I wasnt expecting an anime sequence in this movie, but it was much appreciated. I cant wait for Vol 2.
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Old 10-12-03 | 07:36 AM
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I don't go to many movies, but I've never seen so many people walk out of a theater during the movie.

They left in various groups at different points (I think a family left during the anime sequence, more people left after the first decapitation, others sprinkled throughout the movie). One group was particularly annoying and decided they had to show their disgust by stamping their feet as loud as possible on the way out.
The strangest thing I've ever seen at the theater... my friend and I went to the 5:10 showing on Friday right after work so it was pretty empty. We sat down and a few minutes later an old woman comes waddling in. She had to be in her mid-70's at least. She's by herself. I told my friend "There's no way in hell that she's in the right theater." I couldn't believe it. So I was watching for her to get up and leave and with the way the movie started I just knew she was going to leave any second. NOPE! Since she didn't leave during the initial violence I forgot about her. Until the big fight scene at the house of the blue leaves. She finally left about halfway through it as I recall.

I don't know what to say... I'm speechless. Speechless that she was there in the first place and speechless that she made it that far and then decided to leave. Wish I could've done my own exit poll with her .
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Old 10-12-03 | 09:03 AM
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I saw the midnight show friday night in a big college town. I'm pretty sure that nobody left, and besides the groans during the pre-pre-views and the credits rolling, it was very well recieved.

While there was gore, it was mostly the funny variety, not the disgusting kind.

Uma's toes however; :shudder:
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Old 10-12-03 | 09:09 AM
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What this movie does, whether you hate it or not, is make you want to see Volume 2, it doesnt end on a cheap cliffhanger but it does leave you wanting to see the story concluded.
so...
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does she know her baby is alive


isn't a cliffhanger? That is soap opera material there.

I have mixed feelings about the film. It was good, but I don't feel the need to rush out to see vol.2. It just wasn't Tarentino enough for me. It started out excellent, with the bride giving Vernita Green a visit. That was very 'tarentino.' But after that it was pretty much standard revenge flick for me. Just a bloodier version of the Crow with samurai swords. Right down to showing the flashback of how each person on her list contributed to her..
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and her groom's, supposed death
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It just lacked the dialog, creativity, originality and feel that is so prevailent in his other films. I honestly felt I was watching the 4th Crow movie, directed by Quentin Tarentino.

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Old 10-12-03 | 09:27 AM
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I honestly felt I was watching the 4th Crow movie, directed by Quentin Tarentino.
...we should be lucky if The Crow IV is anything like Kill Bill.

Seriously.
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Old 10-12-03 | 10:05 AM
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Kill Bill is nothing like The Crow movies. For one thing, it's actually good.

Nobody walked out during my showing. The record holder for most theater walkouts witnessed by Groucho is still held by Magnolia.

This film is very well liked right now in this forum...only a few negative reviews. You know what that means? THE BACKLASH IS COMING!
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Old 10-12-03 | 10:37 AM
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Went Saturday night and enjoyed myself. I wouldn't rave about it, but it's worth a solid 'B' rating. Didn't really seem much like a Tarantino movie to me... The story dragged, I hated the anime sequence, and I still feel cheated and unsatisfied about the "end." Honestly, the sound was the best aspect of the movie. From the perfectly selected music to the awesome sound effects (especially the 'revenge' sound cue and the whole GoGo fight), this had some of the best audio I've heard in a very long time.

I was somewhat disappointed with the action scenes. There weren't a whole lot of them, nor was the violence nearly as graphic as I'd expected/hoped. Much of it happens so fast that it hardly registers, and when we're allowed to see the carnage, the result was always so comically over-the-top that there's nothing shocking or disgusting; instead, I found myself chuckling at the absurdity of it all. Don't know if that was the intended reaction or not...

Oddly enough, the best sequence in my mind was the relatively basic fight with Vivica A. Fox right at the start. The 'oomph' of the sound effects kicks in for the first time, the coreography was slick without being too crazy, and the breather when her daughter shows up gives the excellently-shot scene in the kitchen more of an impact. Having the gun in a box of Kaboom! cereal was a particularly great touch. The dialogue probably has some of it's best moments here, as well.

Unfortunately, most of the homages were lost on me as I'm not a fan of the old martial arts flicks (or the majority of newer ones, for that matter), and I don't even know what Sonny Chiba looks like. *shrug*

Good flick overall, but also Tarantino's weakest, IMO.
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Old 10-12-03 | 11:35 AM
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Like I said earlier, I would rather see a movie like this in a near empty theater with people who really want to see the movie as opposed to one packed with a bunch of people with the wrong expectations who groan, yawn, and stomp out because they don't get it.
This is very much what happened to me with the movie Traffic, clearly not a commercial movie by any standard, but good reviews drew in the wrong people.
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Old 10-12-03 | 12:07 PM
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There weren't a whole lot of them, nor was the violence nearly as graphic as I'd expected/hoped.
What movie were you watching? I don know about you, but it's been a long time since I've seen a movie where [spoiler]people's arms and legs get cut off and insane ammmounts of blood are spewing from their bodies/[spoiler]

I don't even know what Sonny Chiba looks like. *shrug*
Not many do, so here

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Old 10-12-03 | 12:23 PM
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Ah, so that was Sonny Chiba. Good to know.

What movie were you watching? I don know about you, but it's been a long time since I've seen a movie where people's arms and legs get cut off and insane ammmounts of blood are spewing from their bodies
Well, like I said, the hacked off limbs and geysers of blood were ridiculous and come off as humorous and corny, not truly violent... At least not in the way I think of it. I find it hard to believe anyone could be bothered or even nauseated by these scenes enough to walk out, like many interviews and articles had been claiming.
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Old 10-12-03 | 12:28 PM
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It might be so over the top that it comes off as sorta funny, still doesn't change the whole fact that it's still pretty violent.
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Old 10-12-03 | 12:56 PM
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When people say that the Oren Ishii "table headache" scene was unrealistic, I wonder if it was over the top, or if it was because Ive never seen something like that happen (in a movie or obviously in real life) would the blood actually come out like that (a sprinkler)?
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Old 10-12-03 | 01:04 PM
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I saw it twice on Friday night. Just about 17 or 20 viewers in both showings. A few kids (In their early teens maybe) and about 6 senior citizens. SURPRISINGLY! No walk outs, no hissing, and no feet stomping. Only sign of disapproval was "Joe six pack" ,Who had the belly to prove it, mumbled and grumbled when they showed O-Ren at age 20. Sounded like he wanted the anime to end fast.

I got immersed in the Hattori Hanzo character the 2nd time I saw him. A man who had a passion for sword-making but at the same time, conflicted by the bloody (Make that HELLA bloody) damage that his swords are able to do. And I thought that was a bit of fine acting by Sonny when The Bride told him who's responsible for her rampage.

It was only fitting that Zamfir's "The Lonely Shepherd" turned out to be the theme for Hattori Hanzo.

Great stuff.
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Old 10-12-03 | 01:09 PM
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There were no walkouts at my screening. Of course it was the first showing of the opening day so obviously the 15 people present in the theatre (including me) were diehard fans who were just waiting to see this.

My record for number of walkouts at a movie I've seen was during Cronenberg's Crash. A full quarter of the audience couldn't get out of theatre fast enough at various points during that film.
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Old 10-12-03 | 02:10 PM
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When people say that the Oren Ishii "table headache" scene was unrealistic, I wonder if it was over the top, or if it was because Ive never seen something like that happen (in a movie or obviously in real life) would the blood actually come out like that (a sprinkler)?
it would squirt out, but it wont create a Bellagio fountains like water show. that whole blood gush is taken from the anime scene. the over the top blood gush is common practice there when a limb or something or other is cut off. it was a bit over the top but it still doesn't negate the graphic detail of it.
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Old 10-12-03 | 02:48 PM
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One thing I find very odd & weird in this thread is everyone here talking about the exact amount of walk-outs when they saw the movie. Are you people actually watching the movie? I pay to watch the movie, I could care less what the audience is doing & I never notice who is walking where. And how do you know it's not people just going to the bathroom? People here are giving EXACT #s of how many people walked out. You guys go to movies & then keep track of how many people leave there seats, & then recognize them enough to see if they aren't just going to the bathroom. I find all of that quite odd.
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Old 10-12-03 | 02:51 PM
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I have to agree. I might notice someone walking out of the theater every now and then, but I sure don't count them nor do I care if they are out taking a leak or actually leaving for good. what they do doesn't concern me aslong as it doesn't take me away from the film.
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Old 10-12-03 | 02:54 PM
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I wonder if my 2-minute mad-dash to the bathroom was taken as a 'walk out'.

Oh, and does anyone know the name of the music played during the snow sword fight sequence?
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Old 10-12-03 | 02:54 PM
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I have to agree. I might notice someone walking out of the theater every now and then, but I sure don't count them nor do I care if they are out taking a leak or actually leaving for good. what they do doesn't concern me aslong as it doesn't take me away from the film.
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I was too busy watching the movie.
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Old 10-12-03 | 03:09 PM
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Kill Bill was it that impressive? 1984 and societel decay

I saw Kill Bill last night, don't really have alot of feelings for the movie. I just find it hard to believe it got so many great reviews. I didnt hate it, didnt love it, it was just okay. Would have liked more of a story or for that matter, dialogue.

I even thought the Anime interlude was kinda cool.

I realize the violence was supposed to be cheesy and rediculous, but, c'mon, this is just too much. I seem to remember something written in 1984 by G. Orwell. He talked about how society would someday find violence and dismemberment funny, this being a symptom of their emotional dislocation. Well, welcome to 1984. Is it just me, am I the exception, or is it really humourous to watch people gutted, beheaded and, well, pureed on screen? I don't get it.

Enjoyed some of it, I'd give it a C+, but certainly not an A.

I wouldnt mind a little more Go-Go though.
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Old 10-12-03 | 03:47 PM
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Saw it today and loved it. I dragged the wife to it and now she can't wait for vol. 2. My only question is, and it was asked earlier but I didn't see an answer. In the begining scene the 2 times the Brides name is said there was beep so you couldn't hear it. Maybe it wasn't in every showing cause not many people asked about it. Anyone know what that was about?
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Old 10-12-03 | 04:02 PM
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I don't really get the point of starting a thread just for this. Why would you start a brand new thread for a movie you "don't really have alot of feelings for". Seems like you are just trying to be that guy. You know "that guy". I see dozens of movies every year I "don't have feelings for" so why the hell would I want to discuss a movie I don't have feelings for. If that is truly the case then I could care less about what people think about the movie.

I think you are an example of someone who just doesn't get the point of a movie like Kill Bill. I also thinkg that you actually enjoyed it more than you want to let on. The movie isn't suppose to have "more story", it isn't suppose to have "more dialogue", if that is what you wan't go rent Jackie Brown. There are a large group of people that simply don't understand a movie like Kill Bill. It is a throwback movie to grindhouse cinema. Plain & simple, nothing more & it accomplishes this to PERFECTION. These types of movies DON'T HAVE LOTS OF DIALOGUE, THEY DON"T HAVE MUcH STORY. AND THEY HAVE LOADS & LOADS OF VIOLENCE. (I'm not in caps to yell, just to stress a point).

The loads of violence isn't done, to be over the top just for the sake of gore or to be comedic. It is done so b/c the movies this movie is a tribute to HAVE TONS OF VIOLENCE & outlandish blood. The Lone Wolf & Cub movies made way back in the early/mid seventies were a HUGE influence on Kill Bill & nearly 30 years ago they had buckets full of blood, bodies being split in two, limbs being chopped off & way more in the exact same manner Kill Bill does. So what Kill Bill does is nothinig new & Tarantino knows that.

You give the movie a C+ simply b/c it wasn't your type of movie. But the movie is worthy of all the praise it is getting. IT is a masterpiece of film making, of setting up scenes, fights, camera angles, cuts/edits, all of this is done to near perfection. The people that don't like the movie all have the same complains, not enough story, too much blood, the violence was silly. And all of those complaints just miss the point of what the movie is suppose to be.

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Old 10-12-03 | 04:10 PM
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why not post this in the kill bill review thread... or are you afraid it'll 'get lost' in the 5 pages and people won't read it... I don't think society has decayed...I think you're certainly not a fan of black comedy... Kill Bill isn't trying to be a laugh riot or anything... it's just trying to be the ****ing coolest movie you've seen in the last few years, and IMO, it totally succeeds. :P

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