It is a perfect setup for action, but it's good for almost anything if it's mixed well in Atmos. I have the first two seasons of Game of Thrones and the mix is incredible. In addition to the louder stuff, a lot of sounds like rain, snow, and other ambient sounds really come out in this mix.

I love my 7.1 setup, and I know if the disc has Atmos, that the downmix to 7.1 is going to sound phenomenal. I have a Denon 4308 receiver which cost me a decent amount, so I need to hold off for a few more years before upgrading.

10 years from now, you guys think most titles will be on 4k UBD like most titles are on BD today?

I don't see much changing in the next few years, other than there being more 4k TVs.

Yea I should have known that. I use the Netflix app on the tv. I'll check for VUDU tomorrow

Reason enough to NOT embrace UHD:

"AACS v.2.0".

This forced DRM will require 1). An active, always-on broadband internet connection, and 2). phoning home to "update" new keys / DRM in order to even be able to watch the 4k movies. In short, you'll 'own' nothing, and always be at the mercy of the studios / MPAA / AACS, whose content may be revoked at any time, for any reason.

Unless AACS 2.0 is cracked, I won't even THINK about "upgrading"

NO THANKS!!!

No, sorry, that's not accurate. AACS 2.0 comes in two flavors, Basic and Advanced. Only the Advanced requires an Internet connection and only on the first play of the disc, during which it can download and update encryption keys. In this way, it's not too different from current Blu-ray discs which can contain key updates when you first play them. So far, no studio has deployed a disc with Advanced.

The question is whether 4K UHD bluray ends up getting a sizeable market share for the movie companies to care, or if it remains a highly specialized niche.

If 4k uhd bluray remains a highly specialized market niche, then aacs2.0 may possibly end up being uncracked for quite awhile. Recent historical precedents of this would be how long it took to crack dvd-audio + sacd and coming up with a general practical cracking tool, long after the general mass market stopped giving a damn.

If 4K uhd bluray ends up dying a premature death, then the question is whether anybody will still give a damn about cracking aacs2.0 in its entirety. An historical precedent of this scenario, would be how Circuit City's DIVX has not had a publicly revealed crack. Even the "security through obscurity" technical details of DIVX have not been publicly revealed. (ie. Most likely nobody gives a damn anymore).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securi...ough_obscurity

I'm confused on this.

Does this affect playing from the disc or just the digital copies?

Well I'm not sure that most titles are even out on BD now. There are a lot of titles, but I think DVD had a lot more titles out in it's first 10 years of release than BD currently has in the same amount of time.

But to answer your question, I'm confident that in 10 years UHD-BD won't even have half the titles BD currently has. By then most TVs sold will be 4K, but most people won't be utilizing it - even through streaming.

Yeah, what Coral said. The gradual stepdown of titles on disc will continue, with UHD having even less titles than regular blue ray.

I bet Terminator 2 and Army of Darkness will be locks to eventually rear its head on UHD.

What kind of DRM do those theater DCPs have to put up with? Pretty similar to AACS 2.0?

Agree, but hopefully the step will allow enough content to be released to satisfy my appetite. The new releases (major titles at least) are a given, the only question is how much catalog will make it out and if they'll all be HDR'd.

The keys for those have to be renewed on a weekly basis, otherwise they can't be played anymore. One of my friends has a server unit that was used in a theater that has several movies on it, but he can't access any of them. If UHD discs end up working like this, I won't buy them.

Yes, I'm aware that AACS 2.0 will come in the two flavors of "Basic" and "Advanced." This is akin to saying some Blurays use BD-Java, and some don't. Very few BDs do not use ANY Java these days, although at launch in 2006 that was a different story.

So, my point still applies, that even though the initial rollout may not be using AACS 2.0 Advanced, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that in a year's time, most titles will be "conveniently" released with the 2.0 Advanced standard. Unless more people are better informed, and there's some backlash NOW.

So, you'll NEED an internet connection in order to play those BD-UHD films, as well as the ability to "phone home". Even it it's "only once" as you, and others claim, the keys can be updated at the whim of the AACS / studios / et al, then "only once" turns into many times, turns into *every* time, once we go down that slippery slope. So, there goes your privacy and the ability to play titles without an internet connection. The AACS will have their hands in your face... That DRM is too intrusive, and the main reason (out of many!) that I'll not be a member on the 4k bandwagon....

The studios are likely holding that back until the format can establish a toe-hold in the market. They know it's a dealbreaker for some consumers and will only push it once enough people are hooked on the format.

Hollywood isn't sitting back on their hands this time regarding digital piracy. They basically just ran the company that makes AnyDVD out of business. I don't think it's a coincidence, they want to protect UHD from getting digitally cracked for as long as possible this time.

Just as long as NO UHD discs EVER go out of print!

Update.

The company which owned anydvd has just opened back up in another jurisdiction, and continuing regular development (ie. cracking current bluray discs with BD+, Java based drm, etc ...).

But with that being said, their main market competitor (domiciled in China) made an official announcement that they will not be cracking 4k uhd bluray discs anytime soon.


(Won't bother with any links here).

After when I read about this in the wikileaks documents on aacs2.0, that's when I knew that I would be definitely taking a "wait and see" approach on 4K uhd bluray.

Most likely I'll be waiting at least two years, to see whether aacs2.0 advanced mode ever gains widespread usage.

This is my speculation as to whether aacs2.0 advanced mode (ie. requiring an internet connection to get a disc's title keys) will ever gain a foothold.

The easiest way to gauge whether there's a lot of resistance to aacs2.0 advanced mode, is to release a very popular title in advanced mode as a "sacrificial lamb". This will definitely show whether customers accept or reject it in a widespread manner.

An ideal "sacrificial lamb" candidate for something like this would be something like a Star Wars movie, such as Fox re-releasing the first movie in its original cut as a 4K uhd bluray exclusive. Another viable "sacrificial lamb" candidate could be the upcoming Hunger Games: Mockingjay 2 release.

Thanks for the update on AnyDVD. I was wondering what the hell happened to that team.

Amazon has UHD preorders up for The Revenant and Deadpool. The former is definitely true 4K. I've read conflicting things about Deadpool.

Multiple times, judging by past releases on disc.

If I had to guess now, I would say you are probably correct. I would think we will see new releases, the big titles not everything, and some big catalog titles. Unfortunately, with streaming options what they are nowadays, I dont see too many releases on this new format.

Yeah, you know I'd like a better image quality but with all this shit added...they can go fuck themselves. I have enough Blu-ray movies and will be buying enough in the future to keep myself way more than entertained.

Good luck with that. The only people who will be adopting are the usual people who want the latest technology NOW and don't want to wait to see how it plays out...and soon after, you'll have people tossing their expensive equipment out into the trash because of the inconvenience.

I foresee an amazing FUCKUP from AACS. Just wait until some bonehead sends the wrong encryption keys to all devices for a movie and millions of people around the world can't play a popular title that has been advertised up the ass for months, leading up to nothing but bricked players. Just let this happen ONCE...and the game is fucking over.

My discs play fine. Enjoy being paranoid.