The Wolverine - December 3
#126
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I'd say:
1) X-Men: First Class
2) The Wolverine
3) X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I don't find it as bad as a lot of people do but I do recognize it has flaws)
4) X2: X-Men United
5) X-Men
6) X-Men: The Last Stand
1) X-Men: First Class
2) The Wolverine
3) X-Men Origins: Wolverine (I don't find it as bad as a lot of people do but I do recognize it has flaws)
4) X2: X-Men United
5) X-Men
6) X-Men: The Last Stand
#127
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
Tough crowd! Lol.. You have to remember the first two were early in the comic book movie resurgence (the first one was largely responsible for it) I re-watched them over the summer and they still hold up fine.
I remember X2 being considered the best comic movie ever - and there was a case to be made given we only had Superman, Burton's Batman and the first XMen as the only real comparisons. Now of course, the standard bearers are the first two Dark Knight's, Iron Man and Avengers.
Thought the unrated cut of Wolverine was pretty great. A few missteps, a few things they could've pushed further...but still a satisfying film. Just wish they would've dropped the more comic elements alltogether - the silly looking jumps, viper, and the cyborg suit.
I remember X2 being considered the best comic movie ever - and there was a case to be made given we only had Superman, Burton's Batman and the first XMen as the only real comparisons. Now of course, the standard bearers are the first two Dark Knight's, Iron Man and Avengers.
Thought the unrated cut of Wolverine was pretty great. A few missteps, a few things they could've pushed further...but still a satisfying film. Just wish they would've dropped the more comic elements alltogether - the silly looking jumps, viper, and the cyborg suit.
Last edited by Artman; 12-10-13 at 11:07 PM.
#128
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
Same
I was watching X2 on TV the other day, and think it still holds up despite it slowing down towards the end (honestly, an issue that I think First Class has once the actual team is formed). What I really noticed though was how much better Singer did juggling all the different characters both over First Class and the first X-Men movie. There's quite a lot happening between several groups of characters, and I think it's handled extremely well. Gives me more hope for the large cast in Days of Future Past.
I was watching X2 on TV the other day, and think it still holds up despite it slowing down towards the end (honestly, an issue that I think First Class has once the actual team is formed). What I really noticed though was how much better Singer did juggling all the different characters both over First Class and the first X-Men movie. There's quite a lot happening between several groups of characters, and I think it's handled extremely well. Gives me more hope for the large cast in Days of Future Past.
#129
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I've watched the movie twice, and I just have no idea what the fanboys see in it. It moves at a crawl, the plotting is rote and predictable, Vaughn never even tries to do anything interesting with the 1960s setting, the musical score is awful, and January Jones delivers one of the worst performances by an actress in the history of cinema.
The only things that redeem the movie at all are McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence.
When a 15-second cameo by Hugh Jackman is by far the best part of your movie, that's a pretty big problem.
The only things that redeem the movie at all are McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence.
When a 15-second cameo by Hugh Jackman is by far the best part of your movie, that's a pretty big problem.
#132
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I've watched the movie twice, and I just have no idea what the fanboys see in it. It moves at a crawl, the plotting is rote and predictable, Vaughn never even tries to do anything interesting with the 1960s setting, the musical score is awful, and January Jones delivers one of the worst performances by an actress in the history of cinema.
The only things that redeem the movie at all are McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence.
When a 15-second cameo by Hugh Jackman is by far the best part of your movie, that's a pretty big problem.
The only things that redeem the movie at all are McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence.
When a 15-second cameo by Hugh Jackman is by far the best part of your movie, that's a pretty big problem.
#133
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I've watched the movie twice, and I just have no idea what the fanboys see in it. It moves at a crawl, the plotting is rote and predictable, Vaughn never even tries to do anything interesting with the 1960s setting, the musical score is awful, and January Jones delivers one of the worst performances by an actress in the history of cinema.
The only things that redeem the movie at all are McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence.
When a 15-second cameo by Hugh Jackman is by far the best part of your movie, that's a pretty big problem.
The only things that redeem the movie at all are McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence.
When a 15-second cameo by Hugh Jackman is by far the best part of your movie, that's a pretty big problem.
FC was just kind of there, there were a few good scenes but the rest of the movie felt disjoint (something that seems to be a bit of a Vaughn trademark) and just wasn't terribly interesting (but by that same note, wasn't boring either). The Hugh Jackman cameo was the most memorable aspect, and it felt like they wasted a terrific cast.
X2 > The Wolverine > X1 = First Class > Origins > X3 for me
#134
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
Yeah, I tend to agree that First Class wasn't very good, but it was certainly better than Origins and X-men 3.
FC was just kind of there, there were a few good scenes but the rest of the movie felt disjoint and just wasn't terribly interesting. The Hugh Jackman cameo was the most memorable aspect, and it felt like they wasted a terrific cast.
FC was just kind of there, there were a few good scenes but the rest of the movie felt disjoint and just wasn't terribly interesting. The Hugh Jackman cameo was the most memorable aspect, and it felt like they wasted a terrific cast.
. I do to some extent think it was so warmly received in part because the last to movies had been so terrible that even a moderate step up was considered a good thing. But a lot of people really do seem to like First Class, so maybe we're in the minority.
#135
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
Possibly, I just should note that I never really followed the comics so my opinion is based purely as a movie watcher with some knowledge of X-men prior to it (cartoons and videogames.) With that said, Origins is by far the most poorly made of the X-men movies, X3 and First Class and X1 are about on Par, X2 and The Wolverine are about on level (despite the plot going in ape shit silly direction near the end).
X3's big failure was the story sucking and some unintentional cheese. First Class was disjoint. X1 seemed like they were feeling out how to do a proper superhero movie.
X3's big failure was the story sucking and some unintentional cheese. First Class was disjoint. X1 seemed like they were feeling out how to do a proper superhero movie.
#138
DVD Talk Legend
#139
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I should clarify that I don't hate the three that I put dead last. But there's enough good and bad in them to make them equal in my eyes. But they are also inferior to First Class, The Wolverine, and X2.
#140
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
X-Men: It was never a great movie, but the fact that it succeeds at all is a major reason why we have all of these comic movies now. I rewatched recently and as an action movie it kind of fails, but some of the character stuff still holds up well; in particular the Wolverine/Rogue and Magneto/Charles relationships.
X2: As a former X-Men comic fanboy, this was the most excited I've ever been watching a movie in a theater. Sure, there are much better movies out there, but this one was such a huge leap from the first and it features some of the greatest comic book style action sequences ever imo. The opening with Nightcrawler, the raid on the mansion, and Magneto's prison escape are the stuff of my 12 year old dreams. Yes, the cast is a bit bloated and the dam sequence could use some tightening (although it's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be), but by the time the Phoenix made it's appearance I was so giddy with excitement that I didn't care.
X-Men: The Last Stand: Then this happened. There are a few ok moments, but this is basically the very definition of reasonably well-made, soulless, cinematic junk food. Of all of the "part 3 disappointments" out there (and there are a lot of them), this is the one that stings me the most.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine: I thought for sure this would be the death knell of the franchise. I thought Liev Schreiber was good and despite his over exposure I've always liked Jackman's Wolverine, but this thing sucked.
X-Men: First Class: I really don't get all of the love people have for this one. I do like it quite a bit and the movie's highs are arguably the highest of the series, but it has some pretty low lows. January Jones, Rose Byrne, and the X-kids are all pretty brutal. The story is all over the place and the 60's setting was pretty much wasted. Also, as an X-Men geek, seeing them scrape the bottom of the barrel and using characters like Darwin and Azazel was painful. Ok, I admit, Azazel was kind of cool.
The Wolverine: The last act really hurt the movie and I had some issues with how invincible Wolverine was (he can heal fast, but he's not the T-1000), but otherwise it was so nice to see an X-Men movie without all the bloat. I haven't seen the unrated cut yet and I'm anxious to revisit. As much as I enjoyed it though, I really would give just about anything to see the Arronofsky version of this movie.
My ranking:
X2
The Wolverine
First Class
X-Men
The Last Stand
Origins.
X2: As a former X-Men comic fanboy, this was the most excited I've ever been watching a movie in a theater. Sure, there are much better movies out there, but this one was such a huge leap from the first and it features some of the greatest comic book style action sequences ever imo. The opening with Nightcrawler, the raid on the mansion, and Magneto's prison escape are the stuff of my 12 year old dreams. Yes, the cast is a bit bloated and the dam sequence could use some tightening (although it's not nearly as bad as some make it out to be), but by the time the Phoenix made it's appearance I was so giddy with excitement that I didn't care.
X-Men: The Last Stand: Then this happened. There are a few ok moments, but this is basically the very definition of reasonably well-made, soulless, cinematic junk food. Of all of the "part 3 disappointments" out there (and there are a lot of them), this is the one that stings me the most.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine: I thought for sure this would be the death knell of the franchise. I thought Liev Schreiber was good and despite his over exposure I've always liked Jackman's Wolverine, but this thing sucked.
X-Men: First Class: I really don't get all of the love people have for this one. I do like it quite a bit and the movie's highs are arguably the highest of the series, but it has some pretty low lows. January Jones, Rose Byrne, and the X-kids are all pretty brutal. The story is all over the place and the 60's setting was pretty much wasted. Also, as an X-Men geek, seeing them scrape the bottom of the barrel and using characters like Darwin and Azazel was painful. Ok, I admit, Azazel was kind of cool.
The Wolverine: The last act really hurt the movie and I had some issues with how invincible Wolverine was (he can heal fast, but he's not the T-1000), but otherwise it was so nice to see an X-Men movie without all the bloat. I haven't seen the unrated cut yet and I'm anxious to revisit. As much as I enjoyed it though, I really would give just about anything to see the Arronofsky version of this movie.
My ranking:
X2
The Wolverine
First Class
X-Men
The Last Stand
Origins.
#141
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
Funny you should mention Wolverine's healing factor, rocket1312. Because it's amusing that once they "took away" Logan's healing factor in The Wolverine, he started healing more like his comic book counterpart. But the blame for that has been around since The Last Stand when his healing factor was ramped up to ridiculous proportions. He healed a bit to quickly in the first two films as well but at least the gunshot to the head knocked him out in X2.
#142
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I didn't mind Rose Byrne, but oh god the X-kids. They're a pretty big part of the movie and I don't see how anyone can defend them. I can't believe how much screen time was wasted on that ridiculous Tinkerbell chase at the end.
#145
DVD Talk Godfather
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I ended up buying the 3D version at Best Buy just for the extended cut. I'm still annoyed at it only being on the 3D release, especially with the sale today on the 2D version
That said, the extended cut is pretty fun. I like the additions quite a bit, even if they don't really make a difference in the main scope of the movie.
That said, the extended cut is pretty fun. I like the additions quite a bit, even if they don't really make a difference in the main scope of the movie.
#146
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Putting the extras people want on the 3-D version isn't anything new, I think Prometheus and Life of Pi did it too, and I'll pay for it in spite of my grumblings, which is why they do it
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#148
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
Anyone have issues with the 3d version on the Oppo 93? It completely paused on me during the dining scene at the family home in Nagasaki. It was a repeatable event. I'll have to test it on another player.
Last edited by badlieut; 12-16-13 at 07:41 PM.
#149
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
Re: The Wolverine - December 3
I find X2 to be grossly overrated. Sure, it's fun but it was never anything special. And frankly the movie falls appart when they get to the dam. There was a forward momentum to the movie that just grinds to a complete halt when they get to the dam. Which is made worse by the fact that it's supposed to be the climax of the film.
That's not how X2 comes off to me. The movie really starts to slow down after the mansion attack where the group is splintered and they make a pit stop at Bobby's house. The dam attack is balls to the walls action with the Wolverine/Lady Deathstrike fight being a highlight. I don't see how anyone could see this as grinding to a halt.
X2 delivers everything I want in a superhero movie, good villian, cool powers and special effects, satisfying ending. It's ridiculous to demand more with this genre.
#150
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
I'm surprised, given that player's reputation, I wouldn't think there'd be much of anything it couldn't play.




