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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by steebo777
(Post 10900926)
Really??? Over artwork? Wow... just... wow.
No one doesn't buy a dvd because of artwork. It's not like people are buying dvds and not watching them and only sitting there looking at the covers! |
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I know this sounds nuts, but I'm going to buy the set, watch the films in HD and never think twice about how the fucking art looks. Crazy, right? |
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Originally Posted by nodeerforamonth
(Post 10901830)
uh... it's obvious he was joking.
No one doesn't buy a dvd because of artwork. It's not like people are buying dvds and not watching them and only sitting there looking at the covers! However, not because of the artwork. Not entirely at least. |
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I think the HD Room had a video comparison of the puppet Yoda and the new CGI Yoda in Phantom Menace. Looks so much better. And reminded me of how creepy the puppet version looked before. Huge improvement.
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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by milo bloom
(Post 10900895)
(bolding is my emphasis).
Thank you, thank you, thank you. It would be so easy for LFL to knock this sucker out of the park, but they just take the easy way out because there's so many that will buy this regardless of the flaws or z-grade packaging and artwork. You may ask why it matters if so many will buy it anyways, and IMHO that just makes you a part of the problem. You're accepting "good enough", and the problem in this case is that we're not talking about a budget horror film from 40 years ago, that 12 people saw in the cinema, and the negatives were lost, found, lost, found, and then finally put on DVD, recalled, put out on another DVD that was short-printed, we're talking a multi-billion dollar franchise that refuses to make available the most requested facet of the whole thing. I love the Clone Wars series, I used to read the books, I have some of the graphic novels, but I would sell a kidney at this point for good versions of the original cuts, and that's just re-goddam-diculous for a franchise of this standing. That's why we complain, not because it's would be such a massive undertaking to make it happen, but because we know from other restored films that it could be done with a snap of George's fingers. Metropolis? Joan of Arc? All the lost Doctor Who eps? Really, George, get with the program. I'm all for an archival release like "Blade Runner" and "Close Encounters" but in reallity most people either don't care about the original versions or actually want the "new improved" versions. |
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Originally Posted by Guru Askew
(Post 10902489)
Lucas gave them what they wanted on DVD
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Originally Posted by Doctorossi
(Post 10902491)
No, he didn't; he gave them the packaged media equivalent of the gum off the bottom of his shoe.
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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Guru Askew
(Post 10902489)
That's the main problem with the UOT nuts right there: they don't realize they're a small minority, albeit a vocal one. Lucas gave them what they wanted on DVD and the individual DVD releases didn't set any sales records.
I'm all for an archival release like "Blade Runner" and "Close Encounters" but in reallity most people either don't care about the original versions or actually want the "new improved" versions. those "bonus" discs were the most pathetic release of blockbuster films i've ever seen. The amount of people waiting for the theatrical versions of the OT is more than enough to warrant a remaster and standalone release. |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Guru Askew
(Post 10902503)
Actually he gave them more than he owed them considering there was no guarantee that what people saw in theaters in '77, '80 and '83 would be available to own on home video years and years later.
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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Doctorossi
(Post 10902491)
No, he didn't; he gave them the packaged media equivalent of the gum off the bottom of his shoe.
And...
Originally Posted by AnonomusBob15
(Post 10902508)
those "bonus" discs were the most pathetic release of blockbuster films i've ever seen.
Originally Posted by AnonomusBob15
(Post 10902508)
The amount of people waiting for the theatrical versions of the OT is more than enough to warrant a remaster and standalone release.
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re: Star Wars
Yeah it is pretty pathetic of Lucas to still use the excuse that it would be too expensive to remaster the original trilogy for a proper release. Not only is it one of the most profitable franchises in the history of film but like others have said considering all the smaller releases and low budget movies that get remastered you'd have to be an idiot to actually believe the shit he spews. Fuck George Lucas and fuck Star Wars.
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There was a .00003 % chance that I would cave and buy the box set but I found the widescreen vhs box set of all three original movies for $9 today so now that is down to 0%.
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The closer we get to the release date, it has got me thinking. The world we live in today is starting to resemble the world of Star Wars?
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Originally Posted by yoshimi
(Post 10902778)
There was a .00003 % chance that I would cave and buy the box set but I found the widescreen vhs box set of all three original movies for $9 today so now that is down to 0%.
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I often wonder what would have happened had, in 1997, Francis Ford Coppola decided that he thought Michael Corleone's assassination of Sollozzo and McCluskey made Michael too unsympathetic, so he used CGI to clumsily insert shots of Sollozzo and McCluskey pulling guns and firing first, then declare that this was how the saw the movies now, and that the original versions of The Godfather would never be available again.
Then he went back to Godfather II and had Fredo drop his fishing pole and pull a gun on Al Neri while he was saying that Hail Mary. How many Godfather fanboys would jump to Coppola's defense? |
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There is always a Lucas apologist in every Star Wars thread who scoffs at people wanting a higher-than-laserdisc quality version of the unaltered original films. They just like to be 'that' guy.
This thread and "The Dark Knight Rises" thread over in Movie Talk have something in common. |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
(Post 10902859)
I often wonder what would have happened had, in 1997, Francis Ford Coppola decided that he thought Michael Corleone's assassination of Sollozzo and McCluskey made Michael too unsympathetic, so he used CGI to clumsily insert shots of Sollozzo and McCluskey pulling guns and firing first, then declare that this was how the saw the movies now, and that the original versions of The Godfather would never be available again.
Then he went back to Godfather II and had Fredo drop his fishing pole and pull a gun on Al Neri while he was saying that Hail Mary. How many Godfather fanboys would jump to Coppola's defense? Coppola has gone and re-edited films. We can all look at Apocalypse Now. Not too many people like Redux, and he includes the original in every release. You would have access to the version you loved. But we can also look at Coppola's Dracula high-def release and how people got upset at the possible color-timing changes (which I believe people also claim over The Godfather as well). But still comparing your scenario to what Lucas done is silly in another way. Star Wars isn't has serious a story as Godfather and the Greedo and Han firing their guns at the same time aren't anywhere near as big as what you suggest. In the 04 Edition Han still shows his intent to use his gun. And he still kills Greedo and still leaves like a boss. There's even an argument to be made about how he keeps his cool with a blast inches from his head. He is essentially the same Han. And as for what I think of Lucas and his revisions. I don't care. Star Wars is still Star Wars. I still get that same feeling watching the 04 Edition as I did watching my full screen VHS boxset. Yea I still wince at some of the changes, but I forget about them pretty quick and get sucked right back into the story. And I've also come to the feeling that ESB is the only really great movie in the Saga and that the other five really aren't that far off quality wise. And I'm fine with that. I watch those movies for certain reasons and for the rest of my life, and through whatever changes are still to come, I'll probably still feel like I did when I was 5 sitting in front of the TV. If he does a proper restoration to the original theatrical editions, I'll also be really happy, but I don't really care anymore. |
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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Guru Askew
(Post 10902503)
Actually he gave them more than he owed them considering there was no guarantee that what people saw in theaters in '77, '80 and '83 would be available to own on home video years and years later.
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re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Drop
(Post 10902880)
And as for what I think of Lucas and his revisions. I don't care. Star Wars is still Star Wars. I still get that same feeling watching the 04 Edition as I did watching my full screen VHS boxset. Yea I still wince at some of the changes, but I forget about them pretty quick and get sucked right back into the story. And I've also come to the feeling that ESB is the only really great movie in the Saga and that the other five really aren't that far off quality wise. And I'm fine with that. I watch those movies for certain reasons and for the rest of my life, and through whatever changes are still to come, I'll probably still feel like I did when I was 5 sitting in front of the TV. If he does a proper restoration to the original theatrical editions, I'll also be really happy, but I don't really care anymore.
It's certainly a tired topic, and George isn't going to change his mind. He is going to squeeze every last penny he can possibly muster out of his fanbase. His unwillingness to give the fans what the want actually make me think less of him. I imagine one day, when there is nothing left to squeeze out of the films, he'll unleashed the theatrical versions, but until then, i'm not buying shit from him. It's a matter of principle, and i'm a patient s.o.b. p.s. - If the bonus discs would have at least been anamorphic, I'd probably be satisfied. Remaster or not. That was a deliberate decision on Lucas' part, and after that, how can you keep eating the shit he's dishing out. I'm done playing games with re-releases. If it's not done right the first time, i'm going to wait. It will happen one day. /rant. |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Nick Martin
(Post 10902868)
There is always a Lucas apologist in every Star Wars thread who scoffs at people wanting a higher-than-laserdisc quality version of the unaltered original films. They just like to be 'that' guy.
This thread and "The Dark Knight Rises" thread over in Movie Talk have something in common. |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by Guru Askew
(Post 10902489)
That's the main problem with the UOT nuts right there: they don't realize they're a small minority, albeit a vocal one. Lucas gave them what they wanted on DVD and the individual DVD releases didn't set any sales records.
I'm all for an archival release like "Blade Runner" and "Close Encounters" but in reallity most people either don't care about the original versions or actually want the "new improved" versions. |
re: Star Wars
Originally Posted by AmityBoatTours
(Post 10902983)
Actually the average movie owner isnt bothered if the original unaltered films are being released or not. Its only people on the net who beat the issue like a dead horse.
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re: Star Wars
I honestly could care less what versions he puts on there. And no, I'm not a "Lucas apologist". I grew up with the original versions.
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