Patrick_N

Nice to see Lucas is still on his mission to destroy my childhood, cheers buddy!

zekeburger1979

I've heard that too. Is it a rumor or fact?

calhoun07

In so many ways, the community at DVDTalk does NOT reflect the buying habits of mainstream America. So when you say "everyone" I wonder do you mean on DVDTalk or did you take a cross section of the American people and get some statistics to back that up? I wonder how many DVDTalkers bought the bare bones edition?

calhoun07

I don't mind him tinkering with the films either. But why can't he follow the lead of his peers like Spielberg and release the other versions as well? The Close Encounters of the Third Kind Blu-Ray has three versions of the movie on it. Lucas could include the previous editions if he wanted to. And that's the main complaint I see...not the tinkering but this arrogant attitude he takes that the previous versions of the movie suddenly now don't exist to him anymore because he decided to make some more changes.

I've never seen a director as unhappy with his own work as Lucas.

Artman

I don't think contrast is the issue, there's already too much in that 04 release to begin with. I just hope they fix most of the issues with that. Still boggles my mind we got these movies with as many errors as we did... doesn't anyone sit and watch them before they're ready to be mass produced?

gryffinmaster

I have. It would've been a welcome surprise to hear an announcement otherwise, one I was hoping might come after Lucas had been "weathered" over the years by the fans. And I guess you can consider me in the 25% of "honest" ones who won't. It's not out of protest, mind you, but simply because my interest in the universe has dwindled more and more with all the additions and tweaks Lucas has made. If he were to remaster them in their original form, then I'd cough up the money for those films.

Michael Corvin

It's a decent little scene we've all wondered about for almost 30 years, but I have to agree with this. I think it will detract from that first moment on the skiff of Luke brandishing his saber.

Some of these things from the SE on, should be relegated to a deleted scenes section on the dvd/blu and not incorporated back in.

JoeyOhhhh

I'll probably buy this set for the special features only.

Timber

Watching the OT on Spike HD now. I often forget how much I love these movies. The only thing that I can't stand about the SE's is Greedo shooting first. Everything else I can live with, maybe not wooden Anakin in ROTJ but that doesn't anger me the way the Han thing does.

Boba Fett

I'd prefer the SEs didn't exist but I would feel much better if they following changes were excised:

Greedo shooting first.
Jabba and Han
The revamped dance number in Jabba's palace.

Other than that, the changes are tolerable.

Timber

Jabba/Han is a horrible addition and ruins the flow of the movie but it's so cheesy that I can laugh at it. The dance number, like the pod race in Phantom, is so long and unnecessary that I don't know what he was thinking doing adding it in.

Qui Gon Jim

This.

I think most of the changes, especially the 2004 version, are for the better. Except the noted changes here.

Supermallet

Get rid of those scenes along with the extended Wampa attack in Empire. Totally ruins the scene to show the Wampa sitting there pigging out.

Also, if they could bring back the original yub-yub music for the end of Jedi.

Nick Martin

So you're all okay with that total waste of a scene in Empire of Vader's re-dubbed line, and pointless travel back to his star destroyer with the alternate Jedi take shoved in there?

It completely kills the pacing and excitement of the sequence, but you're all okay with it?

That's the one massive mistake made for the SE of Empire.

Timber

I guess we all react differently to the changes. That Empire change doesn't bother me nearly as much as the new/extended Emperor conversation where he tries to club us over the head with Vader's agenda.

lordzeppelin

I agree...but I think I can deal with the Jabba/Han thing if they would put the fucking original song back at the end of Jedi, and remove that AWFUL "Weesa Free!!!" from the Gungan celebration. The Greedo incident, along with the Dance number and song at the end of Jedi are the three things I can't stand. I cringe when I hear that fucking song.

However...almost the entirety of the other changes are for the better. The one thing I'm surprised was never fixed was the lightsabers from the Vader/Kenobi fight at the end of A New Hope. How they got through both the '97 and '04 upgrades is beyond me.

Regardless...sign me up for these. I wonder if the supplements from the DVD box bonus disc are going to carry over? Empire of Dreams is fantastic...

Qui Gon Jim

Dive off cliffs much?

I said for the MOST part.

The items you mentioned, while heralded by some like you as a sign of armeggedon, don't bother me all that much. I neither like nor dislike them.

Fuck. Is there a more polarizing topic than this one?

Qui Gon Jim

Is it just me or did an entire thread disappear? There was some REALLY good, bicker-free conversation in that thread. What gives?

Travis McClain

You mean this one? I believe it was abandoned because thread subscribers were upset that the bicker-free conversation didn't include the kind of official confirmation that this thread had its beginning. You know, before it became about who hates what changes.

Supermallet

Are you referring to this thread: http://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/572...nt-future.html

I split this off because it's got actual news.

calhoun07

It's only polarizing because Lucas refuses to release the original cuts in any decent format. IF they had been anamorphic on the DVDs I could have lived with that and been fine with them upcoverted on HDTV. In HD with zoom they look worse than most You Tube videos.

This will continue to be a very polarizing subject for this reason alone. My main question is how polarizing is this at Lucas Film? Does Rick McCallum or anybody else who works there just want to take Lucas out behind the ranch and beat him for being so stubborn about this?

Geddlo

How many of the "no-buys" will receive them as gifts I wonder.

I can't wait for these to come out.

The part with Han/Jabba wouldn't be so bad if they cut away from Han as he wallks behind Jabba and then cut back. There's a quick cut of Chewbacca right beforehand they could easily put in between those two shots that would make it work.

I'm watching Jedi on Spike right now too and I would also remove the Sarlaac pit "beak".

GoldenWheels

I can live with (while wincing) most of the changes. But the updated musical number is where I either close my eyes and go to mute or just switch the channel. Terrible. Just terrible.

Travis McClain

For me, it's not even that "Lapti Nek" was particularly great...it's that "Jedi Rocks" is particularly bad.

And if you enjoy the fun kind of bad, I highly suggest you track down the single release of "Lapti Nek" with the club mix version. It belongs on every Star Wars fan's iPod, right next to Christmas with the Stars and the audio discs from The Star Wars Vault.

coli

I have always contended if Lucas just spiffed up the special effects/got rid of the matte boxes and didn't change/add any physical scenes in the 3 OT movies, then I don't think there would be as much an uproar.

Once Lucas started tampering with actual scenes and actors, that is when he opened up a can worms with fans who like/dislike certain scenes. I personally hate the insertion of Hayden as a Force Ghost at the end of the ROTJ, let me repeat I fucking hate that change!!!! I know friends who thinks that changing Han shooting first is the worst change. Other say the Jedi Rocks number is the worst, etc.

I even think Lucas could have gotten away with changing Obiwans Hutt in SW, and the backround to Cloud City, and fans wouldn't have been in as much of an uproar, but taking out original actors (Sebastian Shaw for Hayden) to a movie is pretty creepy to me.