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zombeaner 03-29-11 12:32 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Mabuse (Post 10700337)
Name a DVD that wasn't released on a Tuesday.

I'm not sharing how I know this, but the Twilight DVDs have all been released on Fridays, I think Megamind was, too. Avatar was released on a Thursday I think. It is becoming more random.

Mr. Cinema 03-29-11 12:53 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Guru Askew (Post 10699874)
It was never announced in the first place. Amazon just picked a placeholder date and everyone ran with it.

As I said before: there are 4 Tuesdays in the month of September. Pick the last one and you have a 25% chance of being right and worse case scenario, you gotta email a bunch of people and tell them they're getting "Star Wars" on Blu-ray 1, 2 or 3 weeks earlier than they thought.

The official site confirms this:

http://starwars.com/themovies/saga/p...ray/index.html

September 16 is the first release date to actually come from LucasFilm.

Thanks for confirming my previous post that confirmed September 16 as the new confirmed date.

Jay G. 03-29-11 01:06 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10700389)
:lol: I love that I say I'm just being difficult in my post and you boys still take it to be serious.

Maybe because that part of your post was hard to read:


Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10699883)
Anyone that doesn't know what retailers do without a hard date is just being silly. Or difficult as I am by calling out your defense of your defense of Amazon's placeholder.

To be grammatical (and thus understandable), those two sentences should instead be:

"Anyone that doesn't know what retailers do without a hard date is either just being silly, or as difficult as I am by calling out your defense of your defense of Amazon's placeholder."

It still doesn't make total sense, since Guru Askew was originally discounting Amazon's placeholder date, not defending it.


Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10700389)
It's just so funny when people make a perfectly valid and logical deduction about reality then that doesn't come to pass because of some anomaly, then still feel the need to defend themselves.

He was right that Amazon's date wasn't the official release date:

Originally Posted by Guru Askew (Post 10600652)
All we know is "September" so Amazon is simply playing it safe by picking the last Tuesday of the month, I wouldn't take that as an official release date. Sending their standard "your item will arrive sooner than anticipated" email in the even that it comes out on the 20th, the 13th or the 6th is better than sending a delay email.

So he was at least half right, and was correct in pointing out that the release date wasn't "pushed forward," but actually just officially announced. Sure, he was wrong about assuming it'd be released on a Tue, but then so was Amazon.

pinata242 03-29-11 01:08 PM

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Internet!

Jay G. 03-29-11 01:11 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema (Post 10700486)
Thanks for confirming my previous post that confirmed September 16 as the new confirmed date.

It's not the "new" confirmed date, it is the confirmed date. Any other dates listed previously were unconfirmed.

Nick Martin 03-29-11 06:13 PM

re: Star Wars
 
That release date is also my 30th birthday. Shame I can't be more enthusiastic about this set.

Gizmo 03-29-11 08:43 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by zombeaner (Post 10700443)
I'm not sharing how I know this, but the Twilight DVDs have all been released on Fridays, I think Megamind was, too. Avatar was released on a Thursday I think. It is becoming more random.

I know. Several DVDs/BDs a year have different non-Tuesday dates.

thursdaynighter 03-30-11 12:14 AM

re: Star Wars
 
The Twilight movies were released on non-Tuesdays.

davidh777 03-30-11 02:11 AM

re: Star Wars
 
Yeah, here and there stuff comes out on non-Tuesdays as mentioned. I think How to Train Your Dragon was a Friday. I think Blair Witch Project got attention for being on a Friday or Halloween or something.


Originally Posted by zombeaner (Post 10700443)
I'm not sharing how I know this, but the Twilight DVDs have all been released on Fridays, I think Megamind was, too. Avatar was released on a Thursday I think. It is becoming more random.


Originally Posted by thursdaynighter (Post 10701476)
The Twilight movies were released on non-Tuesdays.

I believe these were both Saturdays.

fumanstan 03-30-11 07:27 AM

re: Star Wars
 
:lol: @ Jay G's analysis

georgec 04-02-11 03:18 PM

re: Star Wars
 
Okay, I need to rant on this a bit. I've pretty much shrugged off SW on blu-ray, but the B&N sale has me reconsidering.

Firstly, it's amazing that the specific details of the set won't be released until close to the release date, yet many people will pre-order blindly. Yes, "30 hours" of special features are guaranteed, but the details of that should be made known to consumers.

The movies will of course have new changes - CG Yoda in TPM among others. The fans want to original trilogy before the special edition and 2004 changes. This won't happen because Lucas sees the original version as incomplete. Not only that his ex-wife was an editor on the OT and he probably wants to avoid giving her a chunk of the profits for an original release. The "it would take too long to restore them" argument is horseshit. Look at how many movies have been digitally remastered over the years. Take Criterion for example - they'll clean up a movie from 50 years ago and make it look crisp as ever. We all know Georgie has the technology and could do it in a heartbeat.

I'm annoyed by statements such as, "We've found never-before-seen footage of cut scenes, dailies, etc." Again, bullshit. I highly doubt that stuff was unknown to anyone all this time. It's all a huge holdout to constantly entice fans to upgrade their versions. After all the movies have made their 3D theatrical runs, Lucasfilm will magically come upon another 30 hours of behind the scenes footage that "nobody has ever seen."

I love Star Wars and have over time come to really see how bad the prequels are from a pure filmmaking standpoint. I think Red Letter Media's reviews are spot on, despite all the oddball humor he injects into them. Of course, buying the OT only blu-ray means I miss out on the special features, again of which the details are obscure (what is the distribution of behind the scenes footage among the six movies?).

I could go on and on, but this shows the conundrum - I want to hold out and protest Lucas' greed and indifference towards the people that make him rich, yet I still find myself enticed to give in. I feel like Luke when he's talking to the Emperor. This is why Lucas will continue to ignore the fans. We will all go back to suck on the flannel nipple as long as the milk is flowing.

So, I'm still not sure what to do. If I can get the complete set for $45 from B&N, it's probably worth it, but I'd feel like a hypocrite. I'd prefer to hold out for the 3D set, even though I hate 3D and it's hard to tell at this point whether a 3D set would include the option to view the films without "3d" (e.g. without a few image plans that cause my eyes to strain and darken the overall image). My gut would say the next SW set will require you to purchase or hang onto the non-3D set to maintain all viewing options.

AmityBoatTours 04-02-11 03:43 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Mabuse (Post 10700337)
Name a DVD that wasn't released on a Tuesday.

there have been a ton of movies released on a day other than Tuesday.
Kung Fu Panda
Mega Mind
all 3 twilight movies.
Shrek
Madagascar
Avatar
are just a few that come to mind.

Travis McClain 04-02-11 03:50 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 10707119)
Firstly, it's amazing that the specific details of the set won't be released until close to the release date, yet many people will pre-order blindly. Yes, "30 hours" of special features are guaranteed, but the details of that should be made known to consumers.

"The details should be made known to consumers?" It's still pretty early, relatively speaking. My guess is that the description of bonus content will be announced around mid-summer, likely around the time of San Diego Comic-Con.

I have to add, I don't think I've ever heard anyone become indignant about not being fully informed of the special features on a release this early before.


So, I'm still not sure what to do. If I can get the complete set for $45 from B&N, it's probably worth it, but I'd feel like a hypocrite. I'd prefer to hold out for the 3D set, even though I hate 3D and it's hard to tell at this point whether a 3D set would include the option to view the films without "3d" (e.g. without a few image plans that cause my eyes to strain and darken the overall image). My gut would say the next SW set will require you to purchase or hang onto the non-3D set to maintain all viewing options.
You're worried about whether a forthcoming 3D release--a gimmick you hate, about movies you don't even seem to enjoy--is going to compel you to keep the Blu-ray release that isn't even out yet? Here's my advice: Pass on all of it. In fact, step away from Star Wars altogether. It seems that it displeases you at best, and has made you a neurotic mess at worst. I'm not saying this to be condescending, or to poke fun at you in any way. I'm being entirely serious.

pinata242 04-02-11 04:00 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by AmityBoatTours (Post 10707139)
there have been a ton of movies released on a day other than Tuesday.
Kung Fu Panda
Mega Mind
all 3 twilight movies.
Shrek
Madagascar
Avatar
are just a few that come to mind.

Harry Potter 7A is coming out on the 15th which is a Friday as well.

TRC 04-02-11 04:51 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by pinata242 (Post 10707153)
Harry Potter 7A is coming out on the 15th which is a Friday as well.

Narnia Voyage of the Dawn Treader comes out April 8th, also a Friday.

georgec 04-02-11 05:03 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10707146)
"The details should be made known to consumers?" It's still pretty early, relatively speaking. My guess is that the description of bonus content will be announced around mid-summer, likely around the time of San Diego Comic-Con.

I have to add, I don't think I've ever heard anyone become indignant about not being fully informed of the special features on a release this early before.

You're worried about whether a forthcoming 3D release--a gimmick you hate, about movies you don't even seem to enjoy--is going to compel you to keep the Blu-ray release that isn't even out yet? Here's my advice: Pass on all of it. In fact, step away from Star Wars altogether. It seems that it displeases you at best, and has made you a neurotic mess at worst. I'm not saying this to be condescending, or to poke fun at you in any way. I'm being entirely serious.

I'm not indignant about the lack of special feature info. I commented on the fact that despite no info people will gladly order the set. Many are speculating whether the originals will be included but still ordering anyways on a leap of faith.

Sounds like you're in denial about the marketing of these sets. And you made errors in interpreting what I said about future sets. Namely, people like myself might hold off on SW on BR for now, but when a deal like this comes along it might be worth it vs. waiting for another release down the road.

Lastly, the ambiguous feelings I expressed towards updated versions of the movies is hardly unique to me. 99% of fans feel the same way, so it's erroneous for you to attempt psychoanalyzing the harrowing effects of the movies on my psyche.

Travis McClain 04-02-11 05:26 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 10707207)
I'm not indignant about the lack of special feature info. I commented on the fact that despite no info people will gladly order the set. Many are speculating whether the originals will be included but still ordering anyways on a leap of faith.

You sound as though it's confusing to you that people who enjoyed Star Wars would pre-order Star Wars movies without knowing exactly what the bonus content is. That's odd to me, as I thought it was understood people buy the movies they like, with secondary regard (at best) to bonus content. And I say this as a bonus content junkie.

There's no reason to speculate about the original versions being included: Lucasfilm has already officially announced they will not be part of this release. Any speculation at this point has transcended wishful thinking and entered the realm of willful ignorance.


Sounds like you're in denial about the marketing of these sets. And you made errors in interpreting what I said about future sets. Namely, people like myself might hold off on SW on BR for now, but when a deal like this comes along it might be worth it vs. waiting for another release down the road.
"Denial about the marketing of these sets?" I'd respond, but I'm unclear just what this accusation even means.


Lastly, the ambiguous feelings I expressed towards updated versions of the movies is hardly unique to me. 99% of fans feel the same way, so it's erroneous for you to attempt psychoanalyzing the harrowing effects of the movies on my psyche.
No, you're not alone in your feelings. No, I don't believe "99%" of any group of people share the exact same feelings about a topic, and certainly not when that figure is clearly invented. Just because other Star Wars fans need a healthier perspective on these movies doesn't mean that you don't.

Seriously think about this for a moment, if you will. You're tempted to buy movies you don't like, depending on the bonus content while simultaneously you are reluctant to buy movies you do like on Blu-ray because you haven't been fully informed of the bonus content, and because you're afraid that an eventual 3D release will require you to own this release that you don't even seem to want to buy.

musick 04-02-11 05:38 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 10707207)
Namely, people like myself might hold off on SW on BR for now, but when a deal like this comes along it might be worth it vs. waiting for another release down the road.

the solution is pretty simple, put out the money for the order now and if you don't like what is announced at a later date regarding the contents cancel your order then

Jay G. 04-02-11 05:39 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 10707119)
Firstly, it's amazing that the specific details of the set won't be released until close to the release date, yet many people will pre-order blindly. Yes, "30 hours" of special features are guaranteed, but the details of that should be made known to consumers.

As MinLShaw pointed out, full specs for a release aren't typically announced this far in advance for any release. Obviously, the people pre-ordering now are doing so because they'll be happy with the release for just the film content, or they plan on canceling the pre-order if the specs, when announced, don't meet their expectations.


Not only that his ex-wife was an editor on the OT and he probably wants to avoid giving her a chunk of the profits for an original release.
This bit makes zero sense, for a number of reasons:
  1. His ex-wife probably didn't get points for editing those films, so she's not likely to see much money just from her editorial role. Plus, I think she's still credited in the SEs
  2. The money she gets from Lucas (if she still gets any) likely stems from the divorce, and she'd probably get money from any cut of Star Wars.
  3. Lucas has re-released the original versions of the OT on video several times since their divorce, the last time being on DVD.


The "it would take too long to restore them" argument is horseshit. Look at how many movies have been digitally remastered over the years. Take Criterion for example - they'll clean up a movie from 50 years ago and make it look crisp as ever. We all know Georgie has the technology and could do it in a heartbeat.
I don't think he's ever said, "it would take too long," just that it would take time and money to due a proper restoration. I think this is to point out that it's not like Lucas has pristine prints/negatives/digital copies of the OOT that he's just sitting on. However, it's still a weak argument, since, as you point out, smaller companies are able to perform such restorations on less popular films all the time.


I'm annoyed by statements such as, "We've found never-before-seen footage of cut scenes, dailies, etc." Again, bullshit. I highly doubt that stuff was unknown to anyone all this time.
"Never-before-seen," just means "never-before-seen to the public" aka "previously unreleased." Many studios do this type of marketing for video releases.

georgec 04-02-11 05:42 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by MinLShaw (Post 10707236)
Seriously think about this for a moment, if you will. You're tempted to buy movies you don't like, depending on the bonus content while simultaneously you are reluctant to buy movies you do like on Blu-ray because you haven't been fully informed of the bonus content, and because you're afraid that an eventual 3D release will require you to own this release that you don't even seem to want to buy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3018/...2ce85f29_o.gif

TRC 04-02-11 07:39 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by georgec (Post 10707252)
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Forget Star Wars, when is Scanners coming to Blu-ray?

Josh Z 04-03-11 01:56 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by TRC (Post 10707351)
Forget Star Wars, when is Scanners coming to Blu-ray?

June 10th of this year, but only in Germany.

Terrell 04-03-11 03:54 PM

re: Star Wars
 

The money she gets from Lucas (if she still gets any) likely stems from the divorce, and she'd probably get money from any cut of Star Wars.
Considering what she did to him, she didn't deserve a dime.

As for the Blu-Ray set? I'm a sucker for Star Wars, even though I've soured on the prequels. I'll buy it regardless.

Shazam 04-03-11 04:56 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 10708069)
June 10th of this year, but only in Germany.

WTF? What, they get Scanners exclusively because they gave us the Shamwow?

arminius 04-03-11 06:04 PM

re: Star Wars
 

Originally Posted by Terrell (Post 10708191)
Considering what she did to him, she didn't deserve a dime.

As for the Blu-Ray set? I'm a sucker for Star Wars, even though I've soured on the prequels. I'll buy it regardless.

Ok, I'll ask. What did she do to him?


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