Re: Technical problems
 

It's there on the disc and it worked fine for me. It should be Subtitle #31 or something crazy like that and is called "English Text." It should work automatically, unless you mess with the subtitles and change it to something else...

re: Star Wars
 

I'll argue that it's better than any of the above sets (with the exception of Blade Runner...which is pretty nice) using the same arguements you do - it's BECAUSE there's nothing that smells of a "double dip" about this release that it's so good. There's little in the bonus materials (aside from the commentaries) that was on the DVDs - meaning I'm not paying $90 (I actually paid $55, but that's beside the point as YMMV) for a Blu-ray set where I already own more than 50% of the material on another format. Heck, even the movies are never the same twice. You can rant all you want about Lucas' changes to his films (and some of those rants are deserved), but you can't claim you're being scamed into buying something you already own, which was CERTAINLY the case for the LOTR set, the ALIEN set, and a significant chunk of the BTTF set.

re: Star Wars
 

This! I have never understood why people want the old stuff that they already have to take up space on this new set. It isn't as if Fox / Lucasfilm would have made this a 15 disc set to accommodate the repeat features. They likely would have given us the old stuff and called it a release.

Just another reason for people to whine and bitch.

re: Star Wars
 

Maybe because people felt the old supplements were better than the new ones?

re: Star Wars
 

I think if it has to do with.."well give us all that you have at least if not new shit" but yes...Supermallet has a point I guess. I don't really remember the features on the 2004 dvds of ANH and ESB...beyond (what I thought were boringly) edited commentary and the non anamorphic unaltered films.

re: Star Wars
 

Special features are useless to me, personally. I barely have time to watch the features. So that gives me an edge, I guess, in that I don't feel obligated to buy every release for those.

Ironically, the amount of money I would spend on the original movies in an unaltered or even respectful restoration/modernization is approaching ludicrous proportions, which part of the grand scheme, I'm sure. If that's his game, I'll lose and love it.

re: Star Wars
 

Sucks that the one Documentary that I really wanted transferred "Within a Minute" is not in this new set.
That Documentary is an awesome because its the most in deep documentary into what it takes to make a single scene within a film. There are so many parties/ groups involved that we have no idea of and it goes into detail on the task of each. Its also a glimpse into how our modern world works and its virtually connected.

re: Star Wars
 

Didn't you get the memo? It's a rip off to include old features on new releases!

re: Star Wars
 

Wow, that's certainly one way of looking at it. I think if you're willing to fork out the money for an upgrade in the movie then the extras should be upgraded as well. Just my way of thinking. More features are definitely cool but the older ones should be carried over without a doubt.

Oh and the Back to the Future tin I have from the U.K. is still the crown jewel of my Blu-ray collection. :)

re: Star Wars
 

The only special feature you need:
http://cf1.imgobject.com/posters/319...a-original.jpg

re: Star Wars
 

But all those groups and decisions have been replaced by a single man and a computer. Why in the world would he allow a documentary that shows it wasn't a singular vision from the beginning?

re: Star Wars
 

So, I popped in Star Wars today (ep. 4) to take a look. New CGI rocks here, change of sound effects there, hatch color changes, etc... Whatever...

So given all this continued tinkering, why then, have they STILL not bothered to remove the freakin' TIE Fighter matte boxes in the scene when the Falcon escapes from the Death Star!?

re: Star Wars
 

We have an entire thread in this section of the forum dedicated to Bluray titles that are missing special features from the DVDs. There's a crap-ton of posts, which means it's obviously an important thing for many people. And it's not just the lack of the DVD extras, it's the lack of old VHS/LD extras like From Star Wars to Jedi. This really could have been an amazing set, with enough extras I might have even held my nose and bought it, despite the asinine changes to the movies. But it's just a sub-par release, period.

re: Star Wars
 

There doesn't seem to be, at least not yet. I can't find any such list while googling.

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-W.../14903/#Review

You can find complete lists of all the deleted scenes, and all the changes to the films, but it appears nobody cares enough about the spoofs to catalogue them.

http://www.tgdaily.com/entertainment...-complete-saga

http://collider.com/star-wars-blu-ra...scenes/113594/

re: Star Wars
 

Fixed. The theatrical cut of Blade Runner was released on both VHS and LD well before the release of the DVD.

Those aren't director's cuts; Cameron has always stated that they are Special Edition cuts of the films. Also, all of those had the theatrical cuts released on DVD before Star Wars appeared for the first time on DVD.

Finally, it's not at all clear that the earlier, "altered cut only" releases of these films were at the request of the director, or simply because it took a while for studios to master seamless branching. I remember when the ultimate edition of T2 came out, I had to exchange my DVD player because it couldn't play the disc correctly. The appearance of theatrical cuts on later releases indicate that these directors haven't opposed the restoration and release of the original theatrical editions.

The point being that George Lucas is pretty much alone in that he's actively repressing the original cuts, and effectively trying to rewrite history. He's not even referring to these versions as SEs or director's cuts, but just "Star Wars."

re: Star Wars
 

So glad Spielberg teamed up with Lucas for Indiana Jones trilogy. I can only imagine what changes Lucas would make to the Indy films...

re: Star Wars
 

Doesnt change the fact that for several years the only version available were the special editions of those films.

and in regards to your last comment, the difference is Lucas completely funded those films our of his own pocket, and he NOT the studio owns the films. and its his right to do what ever he wants with them, whether you or I agree with him or not. And its not like he didnt tell ppl ahead of time that he was never going to release the original cuts of the original trilogy ever again. The marketing campaign for the final release of the unaltered original trilogy made it clear this was the last time the original trilogy would ever be available for the general public. and up until the bonus discs on the 2007 dvds that was the case.

re: Star Wars
 

I definitely agree with this. If this bluray had all the old release bonus material from the DVDs, I would now regret ever buying those DVDs. When I buy something for my collection, I want to keep it, not feel remorse or sell it later. I say BRING ON MORE CHANGES Lucas. A new experience each time.

re: Star Wars
 

You should note for most of DVDs life span ALL versions of Blade Runner were not available because of rights disputes.

re: Star Wars
 

The only version available on DVD, maybe. However, the fact that only the SEs of some films were available on DVD for a period of time does not make those releases analogous to how Lucas is handling Star Wars. Those releases were the way they were because of technological and (for some) licensing issues. All of which were fixed before Star Wars first was released on DVD. And then, the Blu-ray releases (of those that are released) all contain the multiple cuts. It's 2011, not releasing the original theatrical cut is no longer acceptable to anyone except Lucas.

Just because he's one of the few filmmakers/producers to directly own his films, it doesn't mean he's the only one that can exert that amount of control over the releases. The DVD release of ET was originally going to only contain the altered version of the film, until fan complaints compelled Spielberg to include the original version as an extra on all editions of the DVD. So Spielberg has that amount of control over the releases of his films, with the difference being that Spielberg listens to and cares about his fans.

And again, Lucas himself has railed against people altering films just because they own the rights, and has urged for the preservation and release of the original versions for historical and cultural purposes. Of course, that was for other people's films; he apparently doesn't see the hypocrisy when it's himself doing it to the films he owns.

As you point out, that "never again" turned out to be a lie, as Lucas changed his mind. Even if it was still true, that doesn't mean that people can't complain about his decision and hope/urge for a proper full restoration and release of the original versions.


True, from around 2001-2006, WB was in a rights dispute with the Blade Runner Partnership, and the original 97 DVD release was OOP, although still fairly easy to get ones hands on.

re: Star Wars
 

The big difference between the special editions, directors cuts, extended cuts, etc for the films mentioned and Star Wars is that the changes to those other movies don't suck ass like they do in Star Wars.

re: Star Wars
 

Did anybody seriously believe that? I certainly didn't, just like I don't believe toothpaste A makes your teeth 20% whiter than toothpaste B. Or that 4 out of 5 moms choose Jif over Peter Pan.

And also, how many people knew about the upcoming Special Editions? Without knowing what Lucas was planning, there was no reason to even think about something so absurd as never releasing the original versions again.


This really doesn't help the argument because it's a subjective preference kind of thing....

.... but for the most part it's right. The new Battle of Yavin, and the new ending to Return of the Jedi (as in, the celebrations on the other planets, not Hayden-ghost) are pretty neat actually.

But otherwise there's just so many bizarre changes that don't make a damn bit of sense.

re: Star Wars
 

I really like the BD's, however I'm pretty glad I kept my DVDs around. I guess it's all part of the collection now. My only complaint about the BR is that they could have put more extra's in, I'm sure there's tons of other stuff out there.

Maybe in the next release we'll get more :p

re: Star Wars
 

Even going by your logic, which is fine, that still doesn't provide any real reasoning why, given the space was available, to not include the DVD extras anyway. It's one thing to want your money to go towards new content, which in the case of Lord of the Rings and Back to the Future, is minimal (I feel people are underestimating how much new content is really on the Alien Blus because they haven't really looked), but it's baffling to suggest that the additional inclusion of old content in addition to new content somehow de-values the set, which is essentially the only difference between what I wanted and what you're happy with. This too.

re: Star Wars
 

We're getting there aren't we. :lol: