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dex14 02-20-22 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan (Post 14053783)
I am fascinated to see what they can do with that crappy video source material. No doubt the soundtrack will be excellent though.


redbill 02-22-22 11:08 AM

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thought for sure we'd be getting a Flash Sale today :(

OldBoy 02-25-22 03:47 PM

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Even cable is getting re-edited shit. The Coens raped my semi-early adulthood.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...059563735.jpeg

LorenzoL 02-27-22 09:33 AM

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I guess I’ll keep my copy of Blood Simple from the Coen Brother boxset I have.

rocket1312 02-27-22 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by LorenzoL (Post 14066016)
I guess I’ll keep my copy of Blood Simple from the Coen Brother boxset I have.

The director's cut for Blood Simple has been the default version of that movie for 20+ years. I could be wrong, but I don't think the theatrical cut has been seen since VHS.

OldBoy 02-27-22 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 14066050)
The director's cut for Blood Simple has been the default version of that movie for 20+ years. I could be wrong, but I don't think the theatrical cut has been seen since VHS.

there is at least one scene on the old Blu (from the boxset) that is not included in the Criterion version.

rocket1312 02-27-22 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 14066053)
there is at least one scene on the old Blu (from the boxset) that is not included in the Criterion version.

I hadn't heard that before. Which scene?

BuckNaked2k 02-27-22 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 14066053)
there is at least one scene on the old Blu (from the boxset) that is not included in the Criterion version.


Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 14066104)
I hadn't heard that before. Which scene?

Yeah, if someone could post the time stamp, that would be helpful.

Josh Z 02-27-22 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 14066050)
The director's cut for Blood Simple has been the default version of that movie for 20+ years. I could be wrong, but I don't think the theatrical cut has been seen since VHS.

VHS and Laserdisc, though all home video versions replace the Four Tops' "It's the Same Old Song" with Neil Diamond singing "I'm a Believer." I assume music licensing rights are at issue there.

The "Director's Cut" was created in 1998, and has been the default for all releases since.

OldBoy 02-27-22 05:09 PM

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I don’t know when, near end, the iconic Walsh jump out scene on McDormand was on version I saw and I only have set with it in it. Scene there, not on Criterion.

B5Erik 02-28-22 10:39 AM

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So I checked the comparison on DVD Beaver, and the new transfer, from the screen shots, looks better. SLIGHTLY brighter, slightly better contrast, and a bit sharper with better detail.

But then there's that minute and forty or so missing seconds of the movie. A minute and a half isn't necessarily a deal breaker, but it sure makes you think twice about which version you want. I've never seen the movie, but I am interested. The original blu ray is relatively cheap, so...

rocket1312 02-28-22 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by B5Erik (Post 14066435)
So I checked the comparison on DVD Beaver, and the new transfer, from the screen shots, looks better. SLIGHTLY brighter, slightly better contrast, and a bit sharper with better detail.

But then there's that minute and forty or so missing seconds of the movie. A minute and a half isn't necessarily a deal breaker, but it sure makes you think twice about which version you want. I've never seen the movie, but I am interested. The original blu ray is relatively cheap, so...

I assume you're talking about Miller's Crossing? The difference between the transfers on the Criterion Miller's Crossing and the Fox are pretty much negligible. Unless the extras on the Criterion are super appealing, spend half the money and get the old blu. Just make sure and watch with the 4.0 audio track. The 5.1 has a missing music cue. It's fixed on the Criterion.

Btw, I still haven't seen anything to backup Oldboy's claim that the Criterion Blood Simple is different than any version since the vhs other than a fullscreen UK DVD with the theatrical cut). I own the MGM blu, but fully admit that I'm not all that familiar with the movie so I'm willing to be proven wrong.

dex14 02-28-22 08:13 PM

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Lost Highway incoming?


T-bone22 03-01-22 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 14066688)
Btw, I still haven't seen anything to backup Oldboy's claim that the Criterion Blood Simple is different than any version since the vhs other than a fullscreen UK DVD with the theatrical cut). I own the MGM blu, but fully admit that I'm not all that familiar with the movie so I'm willing to be proven wrong.

The runtimes are the same between Criterion and other releases. I haven’t seen the Criterion version, but I don’t buy his claim, based off his remembering some “iconic” scene that didn’t show up, that may well have been from another movie.

OldBoy 03-01-22 04:18 PM

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There is a scene in a movie where, I believe, Walsh jumps out from shadows behind McDormand’s character. Near end, part of final kill scene, but prior. I dunno. I could be wrong, but swore it was an iconic thriller movie scene used in many montages of iconic scenes. I could’ve swore it was BS. Then what was cut from BS? That’s got to be somewhere…

William Fuld 03-03-22 12:53 AM

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goddammit

dex14 03-03-22 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 14066809)

Janus definitely has Lost Highway. The new 4K restoration will be playing at Lincoln Center in June. Inland Empire (from a new digital restoration) will be as well.
https://www.filmlinc.org/daily/flc-s...id-lynch-more/

ViewAskewbian 03-04-22 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by redbill (Post 14063485)
thought for sure we'd be getting a Flash Sale today :(

You're not the only one. I've been holding off on upgrading my Wes Anderson DVDs to Criterion Blurays hoping Criterion would do a collection of sorts but seems not likely for awhile. The flash sale seemed to be the cheapest way (even in US to Canadian conversion) to get all 8 of his Criterion flicks. Still keeping eyes open.

Do they usually do two a year? One February and one October or so?

dex14 03-04-22 01:47 PM

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It has been in March before. It will more than likely be on Tuesday.

ViewAskewbian 03-04-22 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 14069126)
It has been in March before. It will more than likely be on Tuesday.

Thanks!

Just read there's a Canadian website called Unobstructed View that usually does the Flash sale at the same time in CDN $ so that's a plus.

Keeping eyes pealed.

Norm de Plume 03-04-22 04:58 PM

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^Phenomenal find, View! I gather those prices are in CAD? It doesn't specify.

ViewAskewbian 03-04-22 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume (Post 14069226)
^Phenomenal find, View! I gather those prices are in CAD? It doesn't specify.

They've got to be as they ship from Toronto but I gather it doesn't hurt to send them an email. I found them on Twitter as they were advertising each Flash Sale for Canadians to use their site. Seems they may only offer select Criterions during the sales and haven't latched on to all of them but good to have them in mind.

LorenzoL 03-06-22 04:53 AM

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If you haven’t used Unobstructed View so far YMMV depending on your orders. They are a Canadian company and their prices are in Canadiandollars which helps tremendously for us. However, I used them only one time for my Arrow Shaw Brothers set, so far,and noticed that they charge your card right away and not when your item ships. They also charge for shipping so if you can find the movie on Amazon, if you use Prime, it may end up being cheaper.

They also sells discs from the small boutique companies like VS, Severin, etc. so in that regard they are worth trying out. Check out the other site and look for the company thread under Canadian Movie deals to read some of the user’s experiences.

Norm de Plume 03-06-22 03:21 PM

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Thanks for conveying your experience with this company, Lorenzo. It gives one pause. I don't know of many professional online retailers that charge one's CC before the order has shipped.

OldBoy 03-06-22 05:04 PM

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Yesasia, Vinegar Syndrome they charge when ordered not when ship. A lot do this actually. I don’t like it, but I haven’t been steered wrong thus far. Better to not charge, but some do. Diabolik too, maybe?

andicus 03-07-22 12:35 AM

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How have you guys not heard of Unobstructed View? It's been discussed in few places (including previous Criterion sale threads), for instance:

https://forum.dvdtalk.com/store-foru...l#post14012070

As a followup to my complaint, in that post, I tracked down the owner and emailed him, directly, about the issues I was having. Mysteriously, I received my order within a week after that email.

Regardless, as LorenzoL said, it's very YMMV. I know I'm hesitant to order from them, again.

ViewAskewbian 03-07-22 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by andicus (Post 14070323)
How have you guys not heard of Unobstructed View? It's been discussed in few places (including previous Criterion sale threads), for instance:

https://forum.dvdtalk.com/store-foru...l#post14012070

As a followup to my complaint, in that post, I tracked down the owner and emailed him, directly, about the issues I was having. Mysteriously, I received my order within a week after that email.

Regardless, as LorenzoL said, it's very YMMV. I know I'm hesitant to order from them, again.

Thanks for the tip. Seems to be an either horrible or great experience from what I've been reading with not much grey area with UV. Though it does seem they've tried to improve their experience, they seem akin to Cinema Clock back in the day. Depending on the overall price in the only order I really want to do with them (all the Wes Anderson Critrions), I would probably try them out. I imagine that will be about $200 if they do the Flash Sale discount.

Otherwise, fellow Canucks, I am open to suggestions on how to snaggle me the Anderson flicks without breaking the bank.

I've been thinking of doing one a month for the next 8 months but wouldn't want to do so if I can get in on a sale so close.

andicus 03-07-22 12:32 PM

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I always hold out hope that Amazon will start price matching the UV sales. As much as I like to support small businesses, I also have a reasonable expectation of delivery timelines, as well as feeling I should not have to chase down an order.

I have never completely failed to receive an order, but I don't think I've ever received an order, quickly. I also received a slightly damaged CC order, and as it was a gift, contacted them about getting a replacement. I never heard back on that.

As I said in the other thread, it was particularly annoying that they sent out an email assuring everyone that those issues were a thing of the past, only to turn around and have the exact same experience.

dex14 03-07-22 07:20 PM

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Tomorrow


Norm de Plume 03-07-22 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by andicus (Post 14070323)
How have you guys not heard of Unobstructed View? It's been discussed in few places (including previous Criterion sale threads), for instance:

I have not, but I'm away from media for half of the year, as you know. I might give it a try, but it sounds pretty dodgy. It must be a fairly new outfit.

andicus 03-07-22 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm de Plume (Post 14070837)
I have not, but I'm away from media for half of the year, as you know. I might give it a try, but it sounds pretty dodgy. It must be a fairly new outfit.

Yeah, as I said, I have always 'eventually' received my order.

I believe they've been around for a couple of years now, although they moved, at one point, to a larger warehouse. Apparently they also only have one CS rep (Dora), so she was pretty overwhelmed. Not that that is any excuse for slow shipping, or items going on backorder AFTER they've been ordered.

All of which is to say, if the savings are good enough, and you don't mind waiting (and possibly doing a bit of chasing), you could consider them.

ViewAskewbian 03-08-22 07:21 AM

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Unobstructed View has already lowered their Criterions 45% which I gather is where it will stay? Suppose I won't bulk over $2.50 more a flick or so if it gets me around the import fees and such.

All 8 Wes Anderson films come to a total of
$248.51 CDN

Probably the most I've paid for a single film order but I am a huge Andrerson fan and have been meaning to upgrade the DVDs for awhile. Now we just need Criterions for Isle of Dogs and French Dispatch (the latter being many years off, I imagine :p).

I will let everyone know here how it goes with Unobstructed View. All the Blurays were listed as "in stock" when I ordered so we'll see what the turnaround is on shipping. With a backlog of flicks to watch I am in no rush so long as they only charge my card when they ship, as the site said they would. If not, I tend to get antsy when I've paid for something and I don't have it for months. :p

andicus 03-08-22 08:31 AM

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Yes, they seem to stick to 45% off. They initially went with 40% but upped it for the most recent sales.

Good luck! Let's hope things have improved.

ViewAskewbian 03-08-22 09:45 AM

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LOL

The Unobstructed View fun begins. They've removed the Flash Sale section of the site but, currently, the order I got in before they took it down still stands.

I imagine they are waiting until noon to put it back up again to match Criterion's but we'll see if they move %45 to %50 and I have to write them to gripe about the price change. :p

Brian T 03-08-22 11:25 AM

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Unobstructed View just e-blasted their Criterion sale (https://unobstructedview.com/criteri..._list_limit=36). Nice to see the discount upped a little at 45% (that seems like a first to these eyes). For me, it's still better to order off the US site (the sale is active there now too) and ship to my US addresses for pickup later.

Like others, I'm a bit surprised at how many Canadians here haven't heard of Unobstructed View considering how much it has come up here in the last couple of years. They're pretty much the only game in town here now, outside of Amazon, but they're really only worth shopping at during sales. And now they have enough boutique brand partnerships and buying power to stay in the game. The owner has a long history in home video distribution (and some film production back in the day, as I recall), so they're not really a dodgy outfit, despite charging cards early. They've been talking for a while about improving their shipping costs, but I'm not sure that's happened yet, which is the second reason I stick with the US Criterion site. The third reason is Criterion's point system.

ViewAskewbian 03-08-22 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian T (Post 14071093)
Unobstructed View just e-blasted their Criterion sale (https://unobstructedview.com/criteri..._list_limit=36). Nice to see the discount upped a little at 45% (that seems like a first to these eyes). For me, it's still better to order off the US site (the sale is active there now too) and ship to my US addresses for pickup later.

Like others, I'm a bit surprised at how many Canadians here haven't heard of Unobstructed View considering how much it has come up here in the last couple of years. They're pretty much the only game in town here now, outside of Amazon, but they're really only worth shopping at during sales. And now they have enough boutique brand partnerships and buying power to stay in the game. The owner has a long history in home video distribution (and some film production back in the day, as I recall), so they're not really a dodgy outfit, despite charging cards early. They've been talking for a while about improving their shipping costs, but I'm not sure that's happened yet, which is the second reason I stick with the US Criterion site. The third reason is Criterion's point system.

As one without a US Addy, I did the math and while the grand total + shipping in US to CDN conversation was lower than Unobstruceted (about $10), this doesn't factor in duty/import/tax etc and who knows what that will be. Soooo, I went with Unobstructed.

I was charged no shipping for my order.

My break down for the 8 Wes Anderson Criterion flicks:
Criterion's site. Total including shipping (but excluding any import/brokerage etc.): 182.76 (US) / about $237 CDN
Unobstructed view: $248.51 (no shipping charge)

andicus 03-08-22 11:37 AM

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Not relevant to this thread, but i would also point out that UV occasionally also has decent sales on KL films, and some other labels.

Interesting note in the Flash Sale email: Extra staff is on hand to get the product out fast. I think you have noticed that service has improved and that our Customer Service department is doing a great job responding to your queries. Let us see...

Brian T 03-08-22 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ViewAskewbian (Post 14071099)
As one without a US Addy, I did the math and while the grand total + shipping in US to CDN conversation was lower than Unobstruceted (about $20), this doesn't factor in duty/import/tax etc and who knows what that will be. Soooo, I went with Unobstructed.

I was charged no shipping for my order.

Figured you wouldn't get charged shipping at that amount. It is free over a certain amount, just can't remember what it is. As I said, UO is pretty much the only option for Canadians who want the boutique stuff. And they do participate in many of the sales coordinated by those labels (especially Arrow). I've placed a handful of orders with them over the years – always during sales, and when I knew I could get enough for free shipping. In all cases, it would've been cheaper to go my usual US route, but I was able to come close enough that it wasn't worth the wait to cross the border. I can imagine they'll add more partnerships down the road, which will only solidity their market position here.

ViewAskewbian 03-08-22 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by andicus (Post 14071100)
Not relevant to this thread, but i would also point out that UV occasionally also has decent sales on KL films, and some other labels.

Interesting note in the Flash Sale email: Extra staff is on hand to get the product out fast. I think you have noticed that service has improved and that our Customer Service department is doing a great job responding to your queries. Let us see...

Ha! Well, at least they're trying. But, yes, we will see. All 8 of my Anderson blus were listed as IN STOCK. Criterion's website gets them out in 3 business days. We'll see here with a place I could drive to and knock on their door in an afternoon. :p

milo bloom 03-08-22 01:25 PM

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Have any good sci fi films of note come out since the last sale? The last one I got was The Incredible Shrinking Man and I just got that at B&N by itself.


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