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Originally Posted by milo bloom
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Have any good sci fi films of note come out since the last sale? The last one I got was The Incredible Shrinking Man and I just got that at B&N by itself.
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Yeah, looking at hariseldon's post in the Bargains forum, nothing sci-fi leaps out at me in either of the "since the last sale" recaps.
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Yeah, I can wait. Other boutique labels are picking up the slack with scifi stuff, so I don't feel the need to buy something from every Criterion sale.
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Weird email sent to me by Unobstructed View:
"Either you have a sixth sense or there is a horrible intel leak in our organization but it seems you knew about today’s Criterion 24-hour Flash Sale before we did! Yeah, it's on and if you are reading this, time is ticking down on...etc."I happened to look at their site around 8AM and saw that items in my Wish List were now %45 off. Under their STORE button it listed CRITERION FLASH SALE. Soooo, as opposed to me being all Haley Joel Osment or an intel leak, a fairer assumption would be somebody made the sale live 4 hours before they should have.I replied telling them as much, minus the Haley Joel Osment reference. :p |
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^So that sale occurs annually? I don't want to do it this year, but there are a few Criterion Blu-rays I would like to have without paying an arm and a leg.
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Update: Was sent an email from Unobstructed View saying my order shipped in full. Website still says "Processing" and thus far the tracking number doesn't give any info in Canada Post but if this is indeed shipped that's a pretty quick turnaround.
* * * Norm: Yes, form what I gather the sale happens each February or March and I think one in October, as well. |
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Janus has Johnnie To’s The Heroic Trio:
https://drafthouse.com/show/the-heroic-trio |
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This is a welcome surprise from Criterion. |
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Janus is also doing the restoration for The Executioners so maybe the two movies could be packaged together as part of the set. There’s no guarantee that because of the restoration, they will be part of the Collection.
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Originally Posted by LorenzoL
(Post 14072627)
Janus is also doing the restoration for The Executioners so maybe the two movies could be packaged together as part of the set. There’s no guarantee that because of the restoration, they will be part of the Collection.
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Unobstructed View Update: So, the package arrived yesterday from my Flash Sale order but post didn't come to the apartment door and, as it was set up by UV, couldn't just leave it. It's waiting for me at the post office, assumingly, as though online says a notice was left there wasn't one anywhere. I'll be trying to pick it up after work.
So, all in all, if it's the right order and all there, that was about a 24 hour turnaround and my first dealing with Unobstructed View was fine. Next flash sale I am eyeing all the Chaplin flicks to replace the 2001 DVDs. |
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Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14072630)
Where’d you see that?
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I mean about Janus doing The Executioners. Where did you see that?
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Originally Posted by dex14
(Post 14073017)
I mean about Janus doing The Executioners. Where did you see that?
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Late comment here, but I'm also skeptical about HEROIC and EXECUTIONERS being Criterion-worthy beyond streaming. Neither are "important" works – especially the second one – either in the context of Hong Kong cinema or Johnny To's career – but the first one IS a great genre piece, though. They seem better suited to Arrow or Eureka, labels like that. On the other hand, I wouldn't have expected To's THROW DOWN to be granted a Criterion disc release, either – even though I think it's excellent – so what do I know! Maybe Criterion is just working their way up to the Johnnie To films we all know deserve to be on the label, and these are simply contractual obligations to get there? No matter who releases them on disc – and I really hope they don't greedily split them into two separate releases because the second film is really mediocre, and that's not just me saying it – I'll be grateful to finally update my old non-anamorphic HK DVDs. Those are pretty painful to watch now.
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June:
Pink Flamingos: https://www.criterion.com/films/31320-pink-flamingos The Worst Person in the World: https://www.criterion.com/films/3266...n-in-the-world Shaft: https://www.criterion.com/films/30643-shaft Rouge: https://www.criterion.com/films/30738-rouge Farewell Amour: https://www.criterion.com/films/32604-farewell-amor The Tales of Hoffmann (Blu upgrade): https://www.criterion.com/films/748-...es-of-hoffmann Only Shaft is a UHD. |
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Originally Posted by Brian T
(Post 14074582)
Late comment here, but I'm also skeptical about HEROIC and EXECUTIONERS being Criterion-worthy beyond streaming. Neither are "important" works – especially the second one – either in the context of Hong Kong cinema or Johnny To's career – but the first one IS a great genre piece, though. They seem better suited to Arrow or Eureka, labels like that. On the other hand, I wouldn't have expected To's THROW DOWN to be granted a Criterion disc release, either – even though I think it's excellent – so what do I know! Maybe Criterion is just working their way up to the Johnnie To films we all know deserve to be on the label, and these are simply contractual obligations to get there? No matter who releases them on disc – and I really hope they don't greedily split them into two separate releases because the second film is really mediocre, and that's not just me saying it – I'll be grateful to finally update my old non-anamorphic HK DVDs. Those are pretty painful to watch now.
ETA: As for whether or not the films are "important" enough to be Criterion, there's a lot of reviewers who believe the three characters in the films (Wonder Woman, Thief Catcher, and Invisible Woman) represent the Chinese mainland, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. NOT respectively. So there's definitely more going on than just a lot of wire-fu and three women in slinky outfits. And with Pink Flamingos coming out, I'm kinda glad I skipped on the flash sale from 2 weeks ago 'cuz that makes an easy two disc order at the fall sale with Miller's and I can throw in a third (maybe Multiple Maniacs and make it a Waters' extravaganza?) for the free shipping |
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Nothing for me from today's, but that trio of "superhero" films look interesting, I might check those out.
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I'm surprised and happy that Shaft's Big Score is included with Shaft. I was planning on picking up the Warner Archive blu-ray of that to go along the the CC release, but this just makes things simpler.
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Originally Posted by flansered
(Post 14075882)
I'm surprised and happy that Shaft's Big Score is included with Shaft. I was planning on picking up the Warner Archive blu-ray of that to go along the the CC release, but this just makes things simpler.
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Originally Posted by Paff
(Post 14075794)
Thumbs down on this post, because I happen to think Executioners is better than Heroic Trio! I absolutely love the darker tone of it. Anita Mui's story arc, where she's thrown in prison, fashions a Wonder Woman mask out of her food plate, and eventually escapes had me riveted. And non-anamorphic DVDs? Hah! I watch these movies on friggin Laserdisc! It's possibly a reason I prefer Executioners, because my Heroic Trio disc is a "remastered" version from Tai Seng with their shitty digital subtitles and fake surround sound, but Executioners was a theatrical print just transferred straight to disc, including reel change marks, on-the-fly framing adjustments, and the sometimes completely illegible burned-in dual language subtitles. Totally feels like a grindhouse presentation. Really hope both come to Criterion Blu.
ETA: As for whether or not the films are "important" enough to be Criterion, there's a lot of reviewers who believe the three characters in the films (Wonder Woman, Thief Catcher, and Invisible Woman) represent the Chinese mainland, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. NOT respectively. So there's definitely more going on than just a lot of wire-fu and three women in slinky outfits. I likewise owned the Tai Seng LDs of both titles for years, shitty subs and all, and I'll be happy to see them without the phoney "grindhouse" glaze that generations of home video fans were subjected to simply because distributors had to use whatever imperfect elements they could find, and then came up with some creative marketing/packaging to convince us they were recreating the "experience" of a comparatively small number of big city 42nd-street types. Not that Tai Seng did that, per se; I think they simply re-distributed the products of an industry (Hong Kong's) that never gave much thought to top-notch presentations, remastering, supplements, etc. The most recent version I have is the 2-disc remastered "Johnnie To: Heroic Trio Series" DVD that IVL released in 2007. The visuals looks fine, but I do recall both having "new" 5.1 or DTS soundtracks rather than the preferred mono. I've long been aware of the discussion of the characters as metaphors for the three Chinas, the apocalyptic city as post-1997 Hong Kong, etc, but I've always struggled to make it click in a meaningful way. Considering the period in which the films were made, though, and with Johnnie To at the helm, it was indeed likely that more was "going on". I've simply yet to read a compelling breakdown of the metaphor in these two films, despite plenty of reviewers from that era onward parroting that it's there. Surely whatever company does release them on disc will produce some supplements that lay it all out. Plenty of HK movies were dabbling with exactly this kind of subtext during that era, and some were easier to "read" than others (like the original ZU WARRIORS or the To-produced INTRUDER, for example). - - - - Speaking of 'important' Hong Kong films, I'm certainly grateful to see that Stanley Kwan's quintessential ROUGE (a Jackie Chan production) made the cut in Criterion's new announcements. It's a bit weird how their description and supplements make it feel like some kind of LGBTQ piece. Presumably a case of marrying the director's by-far most successful film with his eventual image as an auteur exploring queer issues in an industry where virtually no one else would risk doing the same, at the time. In fact, it was only with the YIN + YANG documentary included on this disc, which was made five years after ROUGE, that Kwan officially publicly acknowledged his own sexuality. I suppose any disc-based appreciation of his work is better off included with one of the two movies in his filmography (the other being CENTRE STAGE) that's likely to actually move a few units. |
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I'll purchase Shaft and Pink Flamingos. :)
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Originally Posted by LiquidSky
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I'll purchase Shaft and Pink Flamingos. :)
I don't own the first Shaft film, so I'm glad its a 4K UHD! |
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Alex Cox says Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid is getting a CC release.
PKM: For my money, Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid is a beautiful film and one of Sam Peckinpah’s best along with an amazing script by Rudy Wurlitzer. What was it about Rudy Wurlitzer that made you want to collaborate with him on Walker? Did he approach you about the William Walker story, or vice versa? Alex Cox: I asked Rudy to write the Walker script because I’d enjoyed and appreciated Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid very much. It seemed to me that the theme of that film was how two individuals climb up a pile of dead bodies to achieve momentary fame and their own death. This was the theme of Walker, too, and so Rudy was the perfect writer for it. We were introduced by the actor, Harry Dean Stanton, at the Rotterdam Film Festival, and I’m most grateful for the introduction. Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid is the most political of all American Westerns, and for all its difficulties I think Rudy [Wurlitzer]’s collaboration with Peckinpah (and Dylan, and all the actors and crew!) led to the creation of a masterpiece. All of this was compounded by the studio’s mutilation of the film on its release; the creation years later of a much longer version, based on Roger Spottiswoode’s cutting copy; and later still a shorter but intelligible version based on the long cut. Criterion are releasing the film on Blu-ray this year, and will presumably pick a favourite. |
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I hope all three cuts are included.
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A woman in trouble? More like a director's career in trouble. This is not a movie that needs to re re-evaluated or redeemed. It's just uniformly awful.
Funny how that ultra-compressed trailer makes the "remastered" video look even worse than it did originally. |
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I know people who genuinely regard Inland Empire not as one of his absolute BEST but as good enough to see some value in watching (and rewatching, from time to time) it.
I'm intrigued enough to want to give it another shot, as it's been a couple years for me at least. Doesn't look like it's playing in Houston anytime soon, so I'll probably just wait for the inevitable disc. |
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I've never seen it. Maybe if it comes to streaming some day.
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
(Post 14078663)
This is not a movie that needs to re re-evaluated or redeemed. It's just uniformly awful.
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I remember being so excited when Inland Empire came out. I wasn't able to see it in a theater, but I bought the DVD as soon as it was released. I tried watching it once, made it about a half hour in before falling asleep. I woke up to a bunch of prostitutes singing the Locomotion, shut it off and never returned to it. The DVD is still sitting on my shelf 15ish years later.
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Poor Shaft in Africa. IMO, The most entertaining movie of the trilogy and it gets........The Shaft!
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 14078878)
I remember being so excited when Inland Empire came out. I wasn't able to see it in a theater, but I bought the DVD as soon as it was released. I tried watching it once, made it about a half hour in before falling asleep. I woke up to a bunch of prostitutes singing the Locomotion, shut it off and never returned to it. The DVD is still sitting on my shelf 15ish years later.
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Originally Posted by Dan
(Post 14078834)
I know people who genuinely regard Inland Empire not as one of his absolute BEST but as good enough to see some value in watching (and rewatching, from time to time) it.
I'm intrigued enough to want to give it another shot, as it's been a couple years for me at least. Doesn't look like it's playing in Houston anytime soon, so I'll probably just wait for the inevitable disc. |
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
(Post 14078663)
A woman in trouble? More like a director's career in trouble. This is not a movie that needs to re re-evaluated or redeemed. It's just uniformly awful.
And, dammit, I even kind of like Lost Highway. But somewhere between Mulholland Drive and Inland Empire, Lynch really lost the program. And Twin Peaks The Return is just a garbled mess, too, |
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50% off sale + $10 Citizen Kane disc coupon = my plan for the Shaft 4K.
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Originally Posted by Dan
(Post 14078834)
Doesn't look like it's playing in Houston anytime soon, so I'll probably just wait for the inevitable disc.
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Originally Posted by rocket1312
(Post 14078878)
I remember being so excited when Inland Empire came out. I wasn't able to see it in a theater, but I bought the DVD as soon as it was released. I tried watching it once, made it about a half hour in before falling asleep. I woke up to a bunch of prostitutes singing the Locomotion, shut it off and never returned to it. The DVD is still sitting on my shelf 15ish years later.
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