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milo bloom 02-26-21 12:44 PM

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Buncha fuddy-duddies around here that can't speak internet slang. Get with the times!

Dan 02-26-21 12:59 PM

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2 1337 4 U
(Y'all can be real jerks, and I say that as a certified jerk)

OldBoy 02-26-21 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hazel Motes (Post 13897205)
Why do you leave so many words out of your sentences?

i'm lazy? what's the big deal? i think it gets the point across. i usually write with emotion, not so much with thought (insert "that's for sure" jokes here) or if i am grammatically correct. i do that all day, in my free time, i like to relax and just do whatever.

OldBoy 02-26-21 07:12 PM

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And I don’t mean with any malice. I have gotten criticized before, but I assure you I don’t do it on purpose to irk people. Sincerely. So sorry if it perturbs anyone. I’ll try harder, is all I can say. And, sometimes that “What are you high?” box IS checked. :lol:

Hazel Motes 02-26-21 09:18 PM

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Yeah, sorry man. I was in a dickish mood anyhow.:)

OldBoy 02-26-21 09:23 PM

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Saul good.

OldBoy 02-28-21 04:43 PM

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Boy. Just preordered this. Could be the set of the year...
Never saw one of his movies, but they sound right up my alley. Certainly heard of most, especially Chungking Express, In the Mood for Love.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...0253bc5c9.jpeg

OldBoy 02-28-21 06:20 PM

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^ this is definitely going on the shelf...

the shelf (3.21)

https://i.imgur.com/tvJxWpy.jpg

rocket1312 02-28-21 07:50 PM

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Just be warned that almost every single one of the movies in the set has been tinkered with by Wong. I guess you wouldn't know any different if you haven't seen the originals, but from everything I've seen, they're pretty revisionist. It's mostly in the visuals, but there are some reedits as well. For me it went from a "must buy" to "no thanks". I'm just glad I have my solo releases of In the Mood for Love and Chungking.

OldBoy 02-28-21 08:28 PM

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But he’s director so obviously his true vision and as you said, wouldn’t know any different.

dsa_shea 02-28-21 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13897786)
Saul good.

You mean Saul Goodman? :)

OldBoy 02-28-21 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dsa_shea (Post 13898445)
You mean Saul Goodman? :)

is there any other one?

rocket1312 02-28-21 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13898443)
But he’s director so obviously his true vision and as you said, wouldn’t know any different.

George, is that you?

E Unit 02-28-21 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket1312 (Post 13898424)
Just be warned that almost every single one of the movies in the set has been tinkered with by Wong. I guess you wouldn't know any different if you haven't seen the originals, but from everything I've seen, they're pretty revisionist. It's mostly in the visuals, but there are some reedits as well. For me it went from a "must buy" to "no thanks". I'm just glad I have my solo releases of In the Mood for Love and Chungking.

Yeah, I have both solo releases, and I was hoping for a good picture upgrade, but if the coloring was jacked with or anything like that, I’ll probably pass.

Josh Z 03-01-21 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13898443)
But he’s director so obviously his true vision and as you said, wouldn’t know any different.

It's his "true vision" today. It was not his true vision when he made the movies. His true vision might be something else entirely next year.

E Unit 03-01-21 01:03 PM

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Known as the Friedkin Effect, or the Mann Mess.

milo bloom 03-01-21 02:27 PM

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Or the Lucas Larceny.

E Unit 03-01-21 02:53 PM

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The Crass Coppola Cut.

slop101 03-01-21 03:57 PM

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[hugs his original WKW blu-ray releases]

OldBoy 03-01-21 06:43 PM

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I don’t care what version is what, this set is going to be amazing and brand new to me in every way and really looking forward to it.

Norm de Plume 03-01-21 08:24 PM

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All right, who cares about all that Criterion-fanboy jazz. Where the hell is Streetwise?!

dex14 03-03-21 04:37 PM

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From CriterionForum:

It appears a number of Criterion's Paramount titles have gone out of print:

Rosemary's Baby
Don't Look Now
Nashville
La dolce vita (still in Fellini set)
Days of Heaven
Harold and Maude

Medium Cool and Friends of Eddie Coyle are listed as "unavailable"
I saw some of those titles getting new releases directly from Paramount. It may be that Paramount is done licensing for a bit and investing in their own releases.

OldBoy 03-03-21 07:41 PM

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Is no one getting this Wong Kar set bc of these color changes?

dex14 03-03-21 07:49 PM

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I’ll get it in the summer during the 50% off sale.

E Unit 03-03-21 08:00 PM

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I’m holding out to read the reviews before I even think about getting it.

OldBoy 03-03-21 09:43 PM

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I thought it was no brainer with that array of films. When doesn’t Criterion get high marks in everything?

slop101 03-04-21 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13900088)
Is no one getting this Wong Kar set bc of these color changes?

I already have the blu-rays of the movies in the set that I like. So even without the changes, I'd be skipping this release.

dex14 03-04-21 07:16 AM

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If you want a laugh, head on over to the BR.com CC forum and read about people losing sleep and have panic attacks over the OOP titles. Spending a bunch of money trying to find remaining copies of films they've never seen. Jesus christ... :lol:

rocket1312 03-04-21 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dex14 (Post 13900228)
If you want a laugh, head on over to the BR.com CC forum and read about people losing sleep and have panic attacks

I think this just about covers it. No need to be specific.

I have most everything on that list, but Paramount pulling licenses like this is a little concerning. I know the new regime there suddenly seems recommitted to physical media (if you want a laugh, take a look at the new Days of Heaven artwork), but I can't believe it will last. It never does, does it? Hopefully they don't just start hoarding stuff and relegating it to streaming hell. Losing Fox was bad enough.

Coral 03-04-21 09:39 AM

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Yea, the Paramount cover of Days of Heaven is bad. If the just simply removed the 2 characters and left the house, it would look much better.

I wonder if Paramount has any plans of releasing these Criterion OOP titles in 4K, because most people who really wanted these titles probably already bought the Criterion - which leaves less people who'll buy the Paramount release.
Release them in 4K and that would give a chunk of them a reason to buy.

Josh Z 03-04-21 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13900135)
When doesn’t Criterion get high marks in everything?

Off the top of my head:

The Last Emperor - Aspect ratio cropped to 2.0:1 by the cinematographer
Children of Paradise - Smeary, DNR'd "restoration" licensed from the current rights holders
The Earrings of Madame de... - Same^


Adam Tyner 03-04-21 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13900135)
When doesn’t Criterion get high marks in everything?

Their compression is no great shakes, they'll sometimes settle for licensor-supplied masters that aren't up to snuff, and extras seem a good bit more sparse than they once were (and this was true even before the pandemic). I appreciate what Criterion does, and they certainly have a powerful brand, a great deal of clout, and a frequently impressive release slate, but they don't exactly lead the pack anymore.

Why So Blu? 03-04-21 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13900088)
Is no one getting this Wong Kar set bc of these color changes?

I'll get it but I'm going to wait for the next half off sale.

Why So Blu? 03-04-21 11:05 AM

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The flippers have Rosemary's Baby on eBay for $200.

clckworang 03-04-21 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh Z (Post 13900301)
Off the top of my head:

The Last Emperor - Aspect ratio cropped to 2.0:1 by the cinematographer
Children of Paradise - Smeary, DNR'd "restoration" licensed from the current rights holders
The Earrings of Madame de... - Same^

Didn't Criterion also use the Michael Mann revisionist look to Thief?

clckworang 03-04-21 11:23 AM

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I happen to have all those Paramount releases already. I think I just got Medium Cool at one of the recent sales.

Josh Z 03-04-21 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by clckworang (Post 13900359)
Didn't Criterion also use the Michael Mann revisionist look to Thief?

Yeah, he teal-and-orange'd it up. That was a disappointment but not quite the travesty of the others mentioned.

That film as well as several others in the Collection are also only provided as revisionist Director's Cuts without the original versions.

davidlynchfan 03-04-21 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu? (Post 13900342)
The flippers have Rosemary's Baby on eBay for $200.

Aah, thats was only the highest priced one. I was excited for a minute so i could flip mines too.

DaveyJoe 03-04-21 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBoy (Post 13900088)
Is no one getting this Wong Kar set bc of these color changes?

These changes are bad, the screenshots look bad and feature compression artifacts, banding.. Fallen Angels actually distorts the image to change the aspect ratio. I'm not the strictest of purists, I actually enjoy the aforementioned Criterion release of Thief, but these changes are too drastic for me. WKW is one of my favorite directors, his films were all ready perfect to me, the decision to revising them this way is baffling to me.

OldBoy 03-04-21 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 13900582)
These changes are bad, the screenshots look bad and feature compression artifacts, banding.. Fallen Angels actually distorts the image to change the aspect ratio. I'm not the strictest of purists, I actually enjoy the aforementioned Criterion release of Thief, but these changes are too drastic for me. WKW is one of my favorite directors, his films were all ready perfect to me, the decision to revising them this way is baffling to me.

i don't know. i don't know how some color changes or whatever could affect so drastically. and plus, i never saw anyway in any incarnation so all new to me. i just want to see the movies truthfully and this seems like a great set, including the usual superb extras and i am sure pristine a/v despite changes that were approved by WKW.


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