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The boxset came out yesterday as well. I'm not sure why that would be an FU to anyone.

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Only for those who bought the other two titles previously. Maybe, maybe not.

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There's no bonus material or disc in the box set. It's just the three movies in a box.

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So apparently Carnival of Souls won't include the director's cut that was included on the previous DVD version?

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What are you talking about? While there's no separate bonus disc, each movie disc in the set contains all the same bonus materials as the individual releases, which is a decent amount of extras. They're the same discs, package together at a slightly lower price.

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That's what trespoochies was getting at. The contents of the box are no different than the contents of the individual releases. Nobody is getting screwed out of anything whether or not they bought the individuals or the box.

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The word from Criterion is that the extra scenes only exist in video masters and rather than include them as part of the new restoration from the negative, they're electing to include them only as deleted scenes.

I'm not familiar enough with the film to say whether this is a good or bad thing or if Criterion is right or wrong. If we're to believe their explanation, then the decision does make some sense. Although it does seem like maybe the alternate cut could have been included as a separate, lower quality presentation, like Brazil, for example.

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Now when are getting a Blu-ray box set of Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cure/Charisma/Séance.

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Exactly. Sorry, should have been more descriptive at was I was getting at.

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Yea... to me, from a consumer standpoint, it makes more sense to just include it as a special feature in SD format. The film is short and and Blu could easily include both versions.

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Might as be as cost effective but it works out in the long run of things.
Many Blu-rays have an alternate cut of a film or even random sequel available as SD encoded in AVC, VC-1, MPEG2 in lower bitrate compared to the film in question. But from a lot of the CC Blus I've noticed, the compression for the film side of the disc is lacking compared to the bonus features. Which the bonus material could still be upconverted, just at a much lower bitrate.

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No idea. Criterion just seems to be sitting on Cure for whatever reason. There's a serious lack of post-2000 Japanese films available on Blu here in the States.

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Wes Anderson comes first before all others

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Plus, Herk Harvey's commentary on the Criterion DVD set accompanied the director's cut, not the theatrical edition, and it wasn't labeled as "selected scene" like it is on the Blu. Since snipping out moments of dead air to fit the shorter theatrical run time could presumably cause moments where the commentary doesn't match the film, I wonder if they just hacked it down into something more scene-specific. Then again, Harvey died in 1996, so that commentary may have been cobbled together to begin with, so perhaps they've got some flexibility there.

Also, the DVD set had six complete Centron shorts that involved Harvey in some way or another (mostly as director, as I recall), but the Blu listing states it contains "Excerpts from movies made by the Centron Corporation, an industrial film company based in Lawrence, Kansas, that once employed Harvey and Clifford." That doesn't sound like the same thing to me. :(

The older set also had 40 minutes of outtakes, all of which I thought were rather interesting, but the Blu listing doesn't specify how much of this made the transition.

I was hoping to sell my DVD when I got the Blu-Ray, but now I'm not so sure.

At least the Blu lists "More!" in the special features, so hopefully they'll surprise us.

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Unfortunately

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Yeah, I'm a bit tired of the continuous Criterion hardon they have for every Wes Anderson film. I think Bottle Rocket and Rushmore are fit for Criterion, but most of his others don't. I like them, but not on that level. Putting every one of his titles on Criterion kind of lowers the Criterion bar for me.

Then of course, The Rock and Armageddon are Criterion titles.

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and Chasing Amy, which also kept Kevin Smith's "fuck dvd" opening comment on the commentary, which was originally recorded for the laserdisc

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^^ I found that funny, as I listened to that commentary for the first time using my Criterion laserdisc.

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Anderson likes Criterion (and they like him) and puts it into his contract with distributors that Criterion will get the rights to release the DVD/BD after a certain number of years. I don't see how this is a big deal with anyone in the history of ever. Despite the marketing, Criterion is not the world's official film history hall-of-fame or anything.

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I keep buying the Wes Anderson Criterions. I like his work and he provides tons of extras. :shrug:

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I understand that but there are others who probably feel that in their opinion there are more "important" (whatever that is) films that Criterion should focus on or pay more attention to. I'm sure Anderson's films are good money makers for them but when films by Kurosawa, Ozu and others get the Eclipse treatment and all of Anderson's films get the full Criterion treatment you're going to piss off some people. I'm not an Anderson hater, I actually like some of his films but IMO they're not all good.

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I like him too, but as the Criterion mission states: "Over the years, as we moved from laserdisc to DVD, Blu-ray disc, and online streaming, we’ve seen a lot of things change, but one thing has remained constant: our commitment to publishing the defining moments of cinema for a wider and wider audience."

One Wes Anderson film pretty much encapsulates his entire filmography. There's plenty of other films and directors they can highlight.

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I sort of get that argument, but at this point it's one release every 2 or 3 years. It's not like Ozu's Dragnet Girl got bumped to Eclipse because Criterion had to release Moonrise Kingdom instead.

Again, it's just marketing. Besides, you could easily make the argument that the cash (and brand awareness) Anderson brings to Criterion goes a long way towards helping them to publish "the defining moments of cinema for a wider and wider audience."

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Sure, but they don't have it in their contracts like Anderson does.

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That was more to do with Bay and David Fincher's rivalry they had going. CC gave Fincher's Se7en CC treatment and Bay wanted one for The Rock, too. Then CC gave one to The Game and Bay wanted one for Armageddon, as well. Sure, it was petty, but that's why CC released some of those. I'm sure they sold well. I think the Armageddon LD CC was the last LD CC produced.

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Aren't all of the commentaries that Criterion produces for inclusion on their discs (as opposed to licensing) spliced together anyway?

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I see where people are coming from regarding their complaints about Anderson's flicks, but :shrug: Criterion is a business. A for-profit business at that. Without the higher profile titles from Anderson, Bay, and Fincher, there wouldn't be as much money to go towards other "more deserving" films (which I think is kind of a silly concept, but it's not my concern)

:up: Exactly. They're a North American distributor of a wide array of films that they have paid to license. There's a serious cost/benefit analysis to be done with every title they release, and I don't think they take it lightly.

On a related note, I'm still crossing my fingers for an eventual Kurosawa Blu-ray set that includes all the films from the previous AK100 set that was DVD only. I'd pay a stupid amount of money for that.

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I've enjoyed almost all of Wes's films to some degree, although I didn't care for Moonrise Kingdom. But if putting out titles by Wes and others that don't really need the Criterion treatment (i.e Dr Strangelove) helps keep them in business, then I'm all for it.

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Might be waiting a long ass time for that. They still haven't released Madadayo as an individual title - only available as part of that set. Not to mention the Eclipse titles would probably need a restoration if they're going to be on BD.

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I struggled for a while but since the cool Best Buy Steelbook is still available for $14.99 and has what looks like better extra features, I just ordered that one instead of the Criterion. As much as I enjoy Kubrick in general and this film in particular, I still think the Sony disc sounds more interesting than the Criterion one (and I love Steelbooks). Hope I don't regret that choice.

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A touch of Zen and Carnival of Souls for me at the next Criterion sale.Keep them coming.


A little off topic.
But at Criterion.com "My collection" has gone from over 300+ tittles down to just"Chungking Express".
My wish list looks about the same.I sent CC A email,but have not heard back yet.

And it looks like it only happened to my list.:(

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:thumbsup:

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Yeah, I just bought the BB steelbook recently, not expecting a Criterion version; I liked both the features (which were carried over from previous versions) and the design. We'll see....

Along the same lines, reading about the upcoming "Carnival of Souls" BD (and what's not being carried over) made me dig out my Criterion "COS" DVD. It actually looks pretty good (since its a '60s low-low-budget film) and they may really have to sell me on this upgrade.

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If you like extras, you're probably going to want the Criterion Dr. Strangelove. The only reason to hold on to the Sony Dr. Strangelove disc is for the pop-up trivia track and the interview with Robert McNamara. Everything else is going to be on the Criterion plus more.

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Hmmm.... I didn't see them listed, but now I do note that Criterion lists "Four short documentaries, about the making of the film, the sociopolitical climate of the period, the work of actor Peter Sellers, and the artistry of Kubrick". I guess that must be them. I don't know now.....

I can hang onto the Best Buy version for a while, have a month to return it. Ugh, not sure if I should wait for the CC version or keep the Steelbook.

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http://i1.cmail20.com/ei/r/D0/CAA/6D...cky_4-16_2.jpg

Looks like it may be Cat People

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If so, I presume Val Lewton and not Paul Schrader.

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Hopefully a "Cat People/Curse of the Cat People" or "Cat People (1942)/(1982)" double feature.

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How do you get on the mailing list for the newsletter? I have an account at the official site, but I've never received an email.

It's not an actual dead tree newsletter is it?

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I think you have to sign up for it on their site.