Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > DVD Discussions > HD Talk
Reload this Page >

9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

HD Talk The place to discuss Blu-ray, 4K and all other forms and formats of HD and HDTV.

9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Old 01-18-09, 05:09 PM
  #76  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Formerly known as "GizmoDVD"/Southern CA
Posts: 31,779
Received 101 Likes on 87 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
Firmware upgrades, and how they are handled by the manufacturers, were addressed before the end of 2009. As you well know, there is also a third party now that monitors the market very closely.

Pro-B
So you now can predict the future and tell me they were addressed 10 months in the future?
Old 01-18-09, 05:15 PM
  #77  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Formerly known as "GizmoDVD"/Southern CA
Posts: 31,779
Received 101 Likes on 87 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
OH! Color me corrected. You have said it so it must be correct. The only one with a tone here is you.

Again, your OPINION is NOT fact, neither is mine. You disrespect EVERYONE that disagrees with you, or more to the point anyone that has ANYTHING critical to say about BD at all.

As soon as someone said something about FW, I knew without doubt you'd be here to sweep it away. You basically accuse many that have far more than you invested in the format of not being supporters. Yet you STILL have yet to answer how many discs you own.

Why you are allowed to act this way is beyond me.
If there is a negative thread you will no doubt see Pro-B in it defending BDs honor. If there is a positive thread, you will no doubt Pro-B in it applauding the OP/article (even if it was an author who months before dismissed BD as niche, dead etc). You and I both know this and its something I've come to expect. With the BD Sales thread locked, we see less and less of him as its not like he actually wants to discuss the actual films (unless its to prove the BD is more impressive then the previous HD DVD).

Firmware updates are an issue as you can see by visiting other forums or even here. How many times do we see a thread asking why x movie won't play in his player and re-directing him to get the new firmware upgrade (hoping that user knows how to even apply it)? Its a shame for consumers, because they simply won't stand for it. I know I'd be pissed if I didn't follow BD heavily and buy a BD title off the shelf only to find out it won't play in my brand new player and have to run around and figure out why.
Old 01-18-09, 05:18 PM
  #78  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Formerly known as "GizmoDVD"/Southern CA
Posts: 31,779
Received 101 Likes on 87 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
I see that you are bringing a tone to this discussion that was certainly lacking. So, let's just say that you are really the one one who is in the dark when it comes to firmware upgrades and how they have been addressed, handled, and monitored by the relevant parties.

Carry on now.

Pro-B
Since you are all knowing - why not explain to us, simple folk, who is handling firmware updates and monitoring their progress? First I have ever heard of this. What third party is taking the task of testing ever BD film off the line with the 30 or so BD players currently on the market? And please - don't give me your insider BS either or derail the thread into something else.
Old 01-18-09, 05:49 PM
  #79  
DVD Talk Legend
 
cultshock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: True North Strong & Free
Posts: 23,116
Received 2,181 Likes on 1,486 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

A lot of valid points have been brought up, but this thread has been deteriorating over the last couple of pages, with everyone being bitchy with each other. Why do Blu-ray discussions always end up devolving like this?
Old 01-18-09, 06:14 PM
  #80  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 12,247
Received 75 Likes on 64 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

when i popped in sleeping beauty for the first time today, it said there was a firmwire update needed. But it was only for extra features not the movie itself. It even says you dont have to update at the moment and can still watch the movie. So I dont know why some people on here are saying you cant watch a movie without an update???
Old 01-18-09, 06:19 PM
  #81  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 28,783
Received 1,873 Likes on 1,233 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by mhg83
So I dont know why some people on here are saying you cant watch a movie without an update???
That was just for some of the online functionality.

Some discs won't play, period. There's some sort of incompatibility -- and it varies from disc to disc and player to player -- where it won't load, it won't get past a certain menu screen, or it'll completely lock up the player. I ran into instances on HD DVD where some titles would play to a certain point and then keel over. I'm not sure if that's been a problem with any Blu-ray titles so far, though.

You don't always have the option of letting the movie play one way or the other, and in some cases, people have had to wait weeks to be able to watch high-profile movies on namebrand players.

Originally Posted by Spiky
I'm not sure how, "my Insignia won't play my disc" vs "my Panasonic plays it just fine" is semantics. Sounds like standard "you get what you pay for" to me.
Come on -- you know the problems aren't just limited to the bobo brands. Is there any manufacturer who's released a Blu-ray player and hasn't had to issue a firmware update for incompatible titles?

I'm not sure how many average people could even tell you the name brand of their players without thinking about it. Maybe when the format becomes better established, people will start differentiating like that, but in these early-ish days -- and especially if their friends/family run into similar problems -- I think they'd probably place the blame on Blu-ray as a whole.
Old 01-18-09, 06:21 PM
  #82  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Formerly known as "GizmoDVD"/Southern CA
Posts: 31,779
Received 101 Likes on 87 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by mhg83
when i popped in sleeping beauty for the first time today, it said there was a firmwire update needed. But it was only for extra features not the movie itself. It even says you dont have to update at the moment and can still watch the movie. So I dont know why some people on here are saying you cant watch a movie without an update???
Universal does that as well. But that's just to download (or pre-load) some of the online special features. You can skip past that and play the movie (and if you do not have your player connected via Ethernet/WiFi you won't even see that message). We are talking more about films that won't play at all and require firmware updates.
Old 01-18-09, 06:23 PM
  #83  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Mr. Cinema's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 18,044
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Aside from the PS3, Panasonic models don't seem to have hardly any trouble with any playback of discs. I've had 3 models and never had an issue with any title. I also don't read complaints about Panasonic either on various sites.
Old 01-18-09, 06:25 PM
  #84  
DVD Talk Godfather
 
fumanstan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Irvine, CA
Posts: 55,349
Received 26 Likes on 14 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by cultshock
A lot of valid points have been brought up, but this thread has been deteriorating over the last couple of pages, with everyone being bitchy with each other. Why do Blu-ray discussions always end up devolving like this?
I can think of one reason (person) why.

Anyway, I can't see how anyone would think that firmware updates and incompatibility issues aren't a problem for Blu-ray. Hell, think of Iron Man when it came out and how it took hours for some users on Day 1 because of BD Live downloading and overloaded servers. Little things like that are always an issue and assuming that the average consumer should just shut up and be more tech savvy seems silly to me. Would it be nice? Sure. But that doesn't mean it's going to change anytime soon, especially in a market where folks are used to products just working.
Old 01-18-09, 06:34 PM
  #85  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Formerly known as "GizmoDVD"/Southern CA
Posts: 31,779
Received 101 Likes on 87 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Aside from the PS3, Panasonic models don't seem to have hardly any trouble with any playback of discs. I've had 3 models and never had an issue with any title. I also don't read complaints about Panasonic either on various sites.
Panasonic had issues with the first batch of Paramount (back to BD) and Uni releases. Some reviewers couldn't even review titles because they either wouldn't play or they had to disable 24fps to get them to play.
Old 01-18-09, 10:01 PM
  #86  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
dmkb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,376
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by fumanstan
Little things like that are always an issue and assuming that the average consumer should just shut up and be more tech savvy seems silly to me.
My thoughts exactly!

I don't think this mindset is limited to Blu-Ray only it seems to be prevalent among most retailers and consumers of hard and software.

But for geezers like me that expect things to work out of the box, it drags my quality of life index way doooown.
Old 01-18-09, 10:39 PM
  #87  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Posts: 1,955
Received 131 Likes on 102 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

I don't actually own a Blu-Ray player but reading about the compatability issues and the continuous firmware upgrades lead me to think this will be a real issue if they intend Blu-Ray to dominate the market anytime soon.

It reminds me a little of when DVD-R discs came on the market and the previous machines built from 1997-1999 would not recognize them. Then two years later DVD+R came along and caused even more compatability issues.

Unfortunately the customer's machines who failed to play the recordable discs were also the people that bought the machines early on and, of course, paid the most money for them.

What about the Blu-Ray rental market? I'd be upset if I rented the latest flick, took it home & couldn't play it that night without an upgrade to my player.

Think about the grief the average Blockerbuster employee would have to endure? Every night you would have several customers complaining their disc doesn't work in their machine and have to explain compatability issues over and over.

The rental market is a big factor when it comes to introducing a new format to the general public. If these problems become persistant it may have a big impact on Blu-Ray having mass acceptance.

Last edited by orangerunner; 01-18-09 at 11:21 PM.
Old 01-19-09, 10:50 AM
  #88  
2017 TOTY Winner
 
Save Ferris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 13,579
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

With the ISPs wanting to throttle broadband usage I dont see HD streaming being the norm anytime soon.
Old 01-19-09, 11:06 AM
  #89  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: waiting for forum.dvdtalk.com ...
Posts: 2,755
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by Save Ferris
With the ISPs wanting to throttle broadband usage I dont see HD streaming being the norm anytime soon.
i see this as the major current obstacle to widespread HD streaming.
Old 01-19-09, 11:35 AM
  #90  
DVD Talk Legend
 
cultshock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: True North Strong & Free
Posts: 23,116
Received 2,181 Likes on 1,486 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by Save Ferris
With the ISPs wanting to throttle broadband usage I dont see HD streaming being the norm anytime soon.
Here in Canada, most ISPs already practice throttling and have stingy download/upload caps, so I can't see HD streaming/downloading happening for a loooong time (also because of other reasons that have already been mentioned). Whenever people say that downloading HD quality films is just around the corner and will replace Blu-ray soon, I just roll my eyes.
Old 01-19-09, 11:39 AM
  #91  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
BuckNaked2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 6,145
Received 33 Likes on 26 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by Save Ferris
With the ISPs wanting to throttle broadband usage I dont see HD streaming being the norm anytime soon.
The ISPs have been threatening to cap broadband usage in response to illegal downloading, and the MPAA, RIAA, et al making noise about this.

If legal downloading becomes widely available, and in demand, I believe the ISPs will mitigate their stance.
Old 01-19-09, 11:46 AM
  #92  
DVD Talk Hero
 
namja's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: In Transit, HQ
Posts: 25,050
Received 22 Likes on 11 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

It's only a matter of time before we catch up to Korea, Japan, and other Asian countries. In Korea, the average broadband speed is about 50 mpbs and it costs around $20 a month. This is the average speed/cost. Don't think we can catch up to that in 10-15 years? Seriously?

Not that this will mean replacing Blu-ray or anything. Just that bandwidth issue should no longer be an issue in 10-15 years.

Last edited by namja; 01-19-09 at 11:49 AM.
Old 01-19-09, 12:10 PM
  #93  
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: South Surrey, BC
Posts: 3,992
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Aside from the PS3, Panasonic models don't seem to have hardly any trouble with any playback of discs. I've had 3 models and never had an issue with any title. I also don't read complaints about Panasonic either on various sites.
Any player that didn't have its firmware updated would have had problem with Fox titles (new version of BD+).
Old 01-19-09, 12:15 PM
  #94  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Mr. Cinema's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 18,044
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Just to note, "Hardly any trouble" does not equal "100 percent flawless".
Old 01-19-09, 12:19 PM
  #95  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Mr. Cinema's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 18,044
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by namja
It's only a matter of time before we catch up to Korea, Japan, and other Asian countries. In Korea, the average broadband speed is about 50 mpbs and it costs around $20 a month. This is the average speed/cost. Don't think we can catch up to that in 10-15 years? Seriously?

Not that this will mean replacing Blu-ray or anything. Just that bandwidth issue should no longer be an issue in 10-15 years.
15 years isn't exactly around the corner.

Who's to say there won't be a cap on how much you can download each month without incurring additional fees? I think downloads will take over the rental market, but that's it.

I'm not convinced that in 15 years, the majority of the US population will have the infrastructure to handle massive HD download files. We still have people using dial-up now and it's 2009.
Old 01-19-09, 02:55 PM
  #96  
DVD Talk Ultimate Edition
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 4,389
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

I think it will be tied into the cable services, sort of like the way OnDemand is now. It would be separate from the regular bandwidth you would get from your internet package.
Old 01-19-09, 05:47 PM
  #97  
DVD Talk Legend
 
cultshock's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: True North Strong & Free
Posts: 23,116
Received 2,181 Likes on 1,486 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by namja
It's only a matter of time before we catch up to Korea, Japan, and other Asian countries. In Korea, the average broadband speed is about 50 mpbs and it costs around $20 a month. This is the average speed/cost. Don't think we can catch up to that in 10-15 years? Seriously?
South Korea and Japan have an advantage (well, in this situation it's an advantage) of being smaller, densely populated countries, so it's easier and faster to do things like install a fiber-optic system (homes with fiber-optic internet connections have an over 10% penetration rate in these two countries already, and it's growing fast, it's already higher than cable or DSL internet connections). The US and Canada (especially Canada!) have a bigger hurdle as far as geography and population distribution goes. There are huge geographic areas that probably won't have the infrastructure to handle a relatively speedy transfer of large HD files for quite some time.
Old 01-19-09, 06:27 PM
  #98  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 627
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by namja
It's only a matter of time before we catch up to Korea, Japan, and other Asian countries. In Korea, the average broadband speed is about 50 mpbs and it costs around $20 a month. This is the average speed/cost.
Korea is a good example because the cost of living there is just about the same as it is everywhere in the United States.
Old 01-19-09, 11:05 PM
  #99  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: In the Universe.
Posts: 2,923
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

If the Cable companies are smart, they should just license the tech from Netflix and put it their boxes then again that would probably decrease the revenue from their on-demand services.
Old 01-20-09, 01:17 AM
  #100  
DVD Talk Hero
 
namja's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: In Transit, HQ
Posts: 25,050
Received 22 Likes on 11 Posts
Re: 9 reasons why Blu-ray will succeed

Originally Posted by SPRBD
Korea is a good example because the cost of living there is just about the same as it is everywhere in the United States.
More than half of all Koreans live in the metropolitan Seoul area. And Seoul ranks as the 5th most expensive city to live in the world. By contrast, New York is the 22nd most expensive, and no other US city ranks in the top 50. So maybe it's not a good comparison. The prices in the US should be much lower if anything.

Anyway, that's what I'm giving us 10+ years. If we can't catch up to those countries in 10-15 years, then we're in serious trouble.

Source: http://www.mercer.com/costoflivingpr

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.