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Old 04-11-08 | 06:19 PM
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As a new Blu-Ray owner, I was so excited to get the highly rated "Close Encounters". Which I've purchased in just about every format since it's been in the theaters. Seriously. And it's probably my favorite movie of all-time. But after watching nearly 30 minutes of it on Blu-Ray, I have the say the quality (to me) is almost identical to the regular 30th anniversary DVD I got a few months ago. Which is spectacular. I just didn't see too much different in both formats. Anyone else?
I have the 30th Anniversary of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" on DVD (didn't go Blu when It was released), but the BD is not reference quality... http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=31654


Video: All three versions of Close Encounters of the Third Kind arrive on Blu-ray at an aspect ratio of 2.39:1 and encoded using AVC, Sony's preferred codec. Admittedly, the film's photography is unlikely to dazzle the way glossier, more modern effects spectacles so often do; both Steven Spielberg and cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond favor ample film grain, and contrast and the presence of fine detail are both erratic, with the image noticeably degrading during its many optical effects shots and these particular anamorphic lenses occasionally leaving the edges of the frame softer than the rest. None of this is particularly unexpected, and, frankly, this is the way Close Encounters... ought to look. A more sparkling appearance wouldn't be true to the original photography.

The transfers themselves are wonderful; black levels are deep and substantial, detail and clarity may be uneven but are often striking when the camera closes in, and the palette is rich and vibrant when given the opportunity, particularly the candy-colored lights of the spacecraft and throughout the sunnier exteriors. There's no noticeable speckling or wear at any point throughout the film, and the AVC encode boasts a sufficiently healthy bitrate that the film grain never devolves into an overcompressed, blocky smear. It's also worth noting that the scenes unique to certain cuts of Close Encounters... aren't noticeably better or worse than any of the footage from the rest of the film, as consistently inconsistent as anything else.

Again, Close Encounters of the Third Kind's somewhat grainy photography and extensive use of optical effects mean it's inherently an uneven looking film, and its high-definition release on Blu-ray does not -- and should not -- approach reference quality. Considering these limitations, though, Close Encounters... looks sensational in high-def, fully living up to my expectations.
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Old 04-11-08 | 06:47 PM
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I thought the BD was pretty damn good looking for this movie...I don't think it can look any better... I really hate when people say 'Oh, it's not reference quality" and write off a disc...well compared to something that is shiny and new in HD, it might not stack up... but this movie hasn't and probably won't ever look better - so for me, that qualifies as 'reference quality'... I only had the original 2 disc dvd release, but thought the BD blew it away.
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Old 04-11-08 | 06:54 PM
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Close Encounters is nice looking in my eyes. It is not a perfect video transfer but it is probably the best we will ever get.
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Old 04-11-08 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Daytripper
The TV is a Samsung 61" 720p 1080i. I sit about 10-12 feet from the TV. The player is a Panasonic, the latest BD model (I think it's BD30?), and it's a HDMI connection.

I would give the PQ of the Blu-Ray of "Close Encounters" a 8.5 or 9/10. On other Blu-Rays that I've purchase and I have watched so far, by comparison:
"Underworld" (PQ 10/10)
"Casino Royal" (PQ 9/10)
"Hellboy" (PQ 10/10)
"Gattaca" (PQ 9.5/10)
"The Patriot" (PQ 9/10)
"Layer Cake" (PQ 9/10)
"Superman Returns" (PQ 9.5/10)
"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" (PQ 10/10)
"Terminator 2" (PQ 8/10)
"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" (PQ 10/10)
"Curse of the Golden Flower" (PQ 9/10)
Thanks for the info. As long as you think the other stuff is looking good, then it's probably the limitations of the source for CE3K.

I will say for a 61" display ( also have a 61", 1080p DLP), I think you *might* see more detail if you were closer. I'm about 9' from my display. I believe SMPTe standards says something like a 30 degree viewing angle, which equates to somewhere between 8 and 9 feet.
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Old 04-12-08 | 10:11 AM
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Old 04-12-08 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Daytripper
The TV is a Samsung 61" 720p 1080i.
There is no such thing as a "720p 1080i" TV. Your television has one native resolution, to which it converts anything you input. All that spec tells us is that your TV will accept 720p or 1080i input signals. What it does with them is another matter.

If you post the model number, someone can Google it and tell you the set's actual resolution. Assuming it's an LCD, in most likelihood it's 720p or thereabouts.
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Old 04-12-08 | 12:14 PM
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Did you forget to include this?


Best Buy no longer carries HD DVD in 95% of their stores. No new releases in weeks. No big release since American Gangster. Only Circuit City and a 50% sale.

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Old 04-12-08 | 12:38 PM
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Woo hoo! Take that Blu-Ray!
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Old 04-12-08 | 12:41 PM
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Woo hoo! Take that Blu-Ray!
Clearly HD DVD is on a comeback. I imagine studios are taking notice and Toshba is getting the lines greased up.

Yes, I'm kidding. Weird to see an "average" week tally like that again. I would have thought it would have been 10-12. Even more weird to see Alvin and the Chipmunks at #1.

Oh and this is #10


HUH?

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Old 04-12-08 | 12:50 PM
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Clearly HD DVD is on a comeback. I imagine studios are taking notice and Toshba is getting the lines greased up.

Yes, I'm kidding. Weird to see an "average" week tally like that again. I would have thought it would have been 10-12. Even more weird to see Alvin and the Chipmunks at #1.

Oh and this is #10


HUH?
I get it - it's a good week for you with the numbers.
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Old 04-12-08 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Oh and this is #10


HUH?
It's only $9.99 at Costco, so I'm sure that helps the sales.
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Old 04-12-08 | 01:54 PM
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It's only $9.99 at Costco, so I'm sure that helps the sales.
Costco is selling these? I saw the California version at Fry's for $14.99 a few months ago. Anyone actually own this? Is it just scenery with music?
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Old 04-12-08 | 02:43 PM
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Costco is selling these? I saw the California version at Fry's for $14.99 a few months ago. Anyone actually own this? Is it just scenery with music?
The Sam's Club (Costco equivalent) here has been using this on their HDTV demos. I didn't hear the sound, but yeah, it looks to be just landscape shot in HD.

It does look really good, and it's great for an HD demo, but I have no clue why anyone would purchase it (it's 12.95 at Amazon).
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Old 04-12-08 | 02:53 PM
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The Sam's Club (Costco equivalent) here has been using this on their HDTV demos. I didn't hear the sound, but yeah, it looks to be just landscape shot in HD.

It does look really good, and it's great for an HD demo, but I have no clue why anyone would purchase it (it's 12.95 at Amazon).
We have both Costco and Sams out here....but very hit and miss on movies. Some weeks they carry 10-15 HD DVD/Blu-ray movies, the next few weeks they are gone. Then they come back. For $10 it might be neat...but I already have 'pretty" films like Planet Earth and Galapagos. Over California did have a slip cover though.
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Old 04-12-08 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
We have both Costco and Sams out here....but very hit and miss on movies. Some weeks they carry 10-15 HD DVD/Blu-ray movies, the next few weeks they are gone. Then they come back. For $10 it might be neat...but I already have 'pretty" films like Planet Earth and Galapagos. Over California did have a slip cover though.
Yeah, Sams are really weird on HD, I agree. And the big brother Walmart, you never know what they will do. I have 4 Walmarts within 30 miles, one of them dropped thier HD DVDs to $15 or less, the other 3 are still at MSRP.

Side note: It's time to start checking the small stores, "Discount Drug Mart", (I don't think they are nationwide, but have a ton of stores around here) has just started selling off their rentals $10 or less.

I'd like to know what 'stores' those graphs and numbers include. And again the actual numbers rather than percentage.

I've bought a lot more HD DVD in the blowouts in recent weeks, and I would guess a lot of other HD-Both people did as well.
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Old 04-12-08 | 03:52 PM
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I guess with HD DVD somehow gaining 34% of the market, Toshiba will lose a tad less than the $600 million they were expected to drop due to the dead, no longer supported format.
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I'm sure others have noticed, but after I received The 6th Day today and with Predator and Commando coming out Tuesday, we're on pace to get every Schwarzenegger movie on BD by year's end. Obviously that won't happen, but my goodness, Ah-nuld is flooding the market. Was he that well represented in the early DVD years?

Aside from Will Smith, I can't think of any other major actors that have multiple BDs released. I guess Stallone will be once the remaining Rambo movies drop.
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Old 04-12-08 | 03:59 PM
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Also, I've got a question about Unbreakable. I was looking at the Blu-Ray and DVD yesterday and noticed that the DVD had a running time of 107 mins and the Blu-Ray's running time was 102 mins. Is this a misprint or were some edits made?
Good catch. There are numerous sites that stated the exact running time for the theatrical showing and DVD. Hopefully someone that owns it can confirm the running time for the BD and it is just a packaging error.

Also, does the Train Station Sequence Multi-Angle Feature contain the final mix, score and effects track like the DVD?
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Old 04-12-08 | 04:41 PM
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I guess with HD DVD somehow gaining 34% of the market, Toshiba will lose a tad less than the $600 million they were expected to drop due to the dead, no longer supported format.
The significance of the HD DVD percentage has nothing to do with Toshiba. We know HD DVD titles are selling very low volume so for it to have that much of a percentage indicates that it was a really low volume week for Blu-ray. Not necessarily unexpected with the selection of new titles, but worth noting nonetheless.
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Aside from Will Smith, I can't think of any other major actors that have multiple BDs released.
Christian Bale has at least four movies on Blu-ray, with at least two more coming before year's end. He's the first one I thought of, because three of my first six HDM titles were movies of his.
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Schwarzenegger has Commando, The 6th Day, Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Total Recall, and Predator.

Also, Johnny Depp has all three Pirates films, Secret Window, Finding Neverland, From Hell, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Donnie Brasco, and The Corpse Bride.

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also, Tom Cruise has six titles, I believe: the three Mission Impossible movies, the Last Samurai, A Few Good Men, and Eyes Wide Shut.
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Schwarzenegger has Commando, The 6th Day, Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, and Predator.
Don't forget Total Recall!
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They do like to go through these "phases" with actors. First was Will Smith, now Arnold. Whats next?!?
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