General Blu-ray News and Discussion - Part 6
#601
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Originally Posted by Daytripper
As a new Blu-Ray owner, I was so excited to get the highly rated "Close Encounters". Which I've purchased in just about every format since it's been in the theaters. Seriously. And it's probably my favorite movie of all-time. But after watching nearly 30 minutes of it on Blu-Ray, I have the say the quality (to me) is almost identical to the regular 30th anniversary DVD I got a few months ago. Which is spectacular. I just didn't see too much different in both formats. Anyone else?
Video: All three versions of Close Encounters of the Third Kind arrive on Blu-ray at an aspect ratio of 2.39:1 and encoded using AVC, Sony's preferred codec. Admittedly, the film's photography is unlikely to dazzle the way glossier, more modern effects spectacles so often do; both Steven Spielberg and cinematographer Vilmos Zsigmond favor ample film grain, and contrast and the presence of fine detail are both erratic, with the image noticeably degrading during its many optical effects shots and these particular anamorphic lenses occasionally leaving the edges of the frame softer than the rest. None of this is particularly unexpected, and, frankly, this is the way Close Encounters... ought to look. A more sparkling appearance wouldn't be true to the original photography.
The transfers themselves are wonderful; black levels are deep and substantial, detail and clarity may be uneven but are often striking when the camera closes in, and the palette is rich and vibrant when given the opportunity, particularly the candy-colored lights of the spacecraft and throughout the sunnier exteriors. There's no noticeable speckling or wear at any point throughout the film, and the AVC encode boasts a sufficiently healthy bitrate that the film grain never devolves into an overcompressed, blocky smear. It's also worth noting that the scenes unique to certain cuts of Close Encounters... aren't noticeably better or worse than any of the footage from the rest of the film, as consistently inconsistent as anything else.
Again, Close Encounters of the Third Kind's somewhat grainy photography and extensive use of optical effects mean it's inherently an uneven looking film, and its high-definition release on Blu-ray does not -- and should not -- approach reference quality. Considering these limitations, though, Close Encounters... looks sensational in high-def, fully living up to my expectations.
The transfers themselves are wonderful; black levels are deep and substantial, detail and clarity may be uneven but are often striking when the camera closes in, and the palette is rich and vibrant when given the opportunity, particularly the candy-colored lights of the spacecraft and throughout the sunnier exteriors. There's no noticeable speckling or wear at any point throughout the film, and the AVC encode boasts a sufficiently healthy bitrate that the film grain never devolves into an overcompressed, blocky smear. It's also worth noting that the scenes unique to certain cuts of Close Encounters... aren't noticeably better or worse than any of the footage from the rest of the film, as consistently inconsistent as anything else.
Again, Close Encounters of the Third Kind's somewhat grainy photography and extensive use of optical effects mean it's inherently an uneven looking film, and its high-definition release on Blu-ray does not -- and should not -- approach reference quality. Considering these limitations, though, Close Encounters... looks sensational in high-def, fully living up to my expectations.
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I thought the BD was pretty damn good looking for this movie...I don't think it can look any better... I really hate when people say 'Oh, it's not reference quality" and write off a disc...well compared to something that is shiny and new in HD, it might not stack up... but this movie hasn't and probably won't ever look better - so for me, that qualifies as 'reference quality'... I only had the original 2 disc dvd release, but thought the BD blew it away.
#603
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Close Encounters is nice looking in my eyes. It is not a perfect video transfer but it is probably the best we will ever get.
#604
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Originally Posted by Daytripper
The TV is a Samsung 61" 720p 1080i. I sit about 10-12 feet from the TV. The player is a Panasonic, the latest BD model (I think it's BD30?), and it's a HDMI connection.
I would give the PQ of the Blu-Ray of "Close Encounters" a 8.5 or 9/10. On other Blu-Rays that I've purchase and I have watched so far, by comparison:
"Underworld" (PQ 10/10)
"Casino Royal" (PQ 9/10)
"Hellboy" (PQ 10/10)
"Gattaca" (PQ 9.5/10)
"The Patriot" (PQ 9/10)
"Layer Cake" (PQ 9/10)
"Superman Returns" (PQ 9.5/10)
"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" (PQ 10/10)
"Terminator 2" (PQ 8/10)
"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" (PQ 10/10)
"Curse of the Golden Flower" (PQ 9/10)
I would give the PQ of the Blu-Ray of "Close Encounters" a 8.5 or 9/10. On other Blu-Rays that I've purchase and I have watched so far, by comparison:
"Underworld" (PQ 10/10)
"Casino Royal" (PQ 9/10)
"Hellboy" (PQ 10/10)
"Gattaca" (PQ 9.5/10)
"The Patriot" (PQ 9/10)
"Layer Cake" (PQ 9/10)
"Superman Returns" (PQ 9.5/10)
"Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" (PQ 10/10)
"Terminator 2" (PQ 8/10)
"Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" (PQ 10/10)
"Curse of the Golden Flower" (PQ 9/10)
I will say for a 61" display ( also have a 61", 1080p DLP), I think you *might* see more detail if you were closer. I'm about 9' from my display. I believe SMPTe standards says something like a 30 degree viewing angle, which equates to somewhere between 8 and 9 feet.
#606
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Originally Posted by Daytripper
The TV is a Samsung 61" 720p 1080i.
If you post the model number, someone can Google it and tell you the set's actual resolution. Assuming it's an LCD, in most likelihood it's 720p or thereabouts.
#607
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema

Best Buy no longer carries HD DVD in 95% of their stores. No new releases in weeks. No big release since American Gangster. Only Circuit City and a 50% sale.
#609
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Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Woo hoo! Take that Blu-Ray! 

Yes, I'm kidding. Weird to see an "average" week tally like that again. I would have thought it would have been 10-12. Even more weird to see Alvin and the Chipmunks at #1.
Oh and this is #10
HUH?
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#610
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Clearly HD DVD is on a comeback. I imagine studios are taking notice and Toshba is getting the lines greased up.
Yes, I'm kidding. Weird to see an "average" week tally like that again. I would have thought it would have been 10-12. Even more weird to see Alvin and the Chipmunks at #1.
Oh and this is #10
HUH?
Yes, I'm kidding. Weird to see an "average" week tally like that again. I would have thought it would have been 10-12. Even more weird to see Alvin and the Chipmunks at #1.
Oh and this is #10
HUH?
#612
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Originally Posted by BSTNFAN
It's only $9.99 at Costco, so I'm sure that helps the sales.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Costco is selling these? I saw the California version at Fry's for $14.99 a few months ago. Anyone actually own this? Is it just scenery with music?
It does look really good, and it's great for an HD demo, but I have no clue why anyone would purchase it (it's 12.95 at Amazon).
#614
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Originally Posted by The Cow
The Sam's Club (Costco equivalent) here has been using this on their HDTV demos. I didn't hear the sound, but yeah, it looks to be just landscape shot in HD.
It does look really good, and it's great for an HD demo, but I have no clue why anyone would purchase it (it's 12.95 at Amazon).
It does look really good, and it's great for an HD demo, but I have no clue why anyone would purchase it (it's 12.95 at Amazon).
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From: Grazing in a field somewhere...
Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
We have both Costco and Sams out here....but very hit and miss on movies. Some weeks they carry 10-15 HD DVD/Blu-ray movies, the next few weeks they are gone. Then they come back. For $10 it might be neat...but I already have 'pretty" films like Planet Earth and Galapagos. Over California did have a slip cover though.
Side note: It's time to start checking the small stores, "Discount Drug Mart", (I don't think they are nationwide, but have a ton of stores around here) has just started selling off their rentals $10 or less.
I'd like to know what 'stores' those graphs and numbers include. And again the actual numbers rather than percentage.
I've bought a lot more HD DVD in the blowouts in recent weeks, and I would guess a lot of other HD-Both people did as well.
#617
I'm sure others have noticed, but after I received The 6th Day today and with Predator and Commando coming out Tuesday, we're on pace to get every Schwarzenegger movie on BD by year's end. Obviously that won't happen, but my goodness, Ah-nuld is flooding the market. Was he that well represented in the early DVD years?
Aside from Will Smith, I can't think of any other major actors that have multiple BDs released. I guess Stallone will be once the remaining Rambo movies drop.
Aside from Will Smith, I can't think of any other major actors that have multiple BDs released. I guess Stallone will be once the remaining Rambo movies drop.
#618
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Originally Posted by big e
Also, I've got a question about Unbreakable. I was looking at the Blu-Ray and DVD yesterday and noticed that the DVD had a running time of 107 mins and the Blu-Ray's running time was 102 mins. Is this a misprint or were some edits made?
Also, does the Train Station Sequence Multi-Angle Feature contain the final mix, score and effects track like the DVD?
#619
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I guess with HD DVD somehow gaining 34% of the market, Toshiba will lose a tad less than the $600 million they were expected to drop due to the dead, no longer supported format.
#620
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Aside from Will Smith, I can't think of any other major actors that have multiple BDs released.
#621
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Schwarzenegger has Commando, The 6th Day, Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3, Total Recall, and Predator.
Also, Johnny Depp has all three Pirates films, Secret Window, Finding Neverland, From Hell, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Donnie Brasco, and The Corpse Bride.
Also, Johnny Depp has all three Pirates films, Secret Window, Finding Neverland, From Hell, Edward Scissorhands, Sleepy Hollow, Donnie Brasco, and The Corpse Bride.
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#622
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also, Tom Cruise has six titles, I believe: the three Mission Impossible movies, the Last Samurai, A Few Good Men, and Eyes Wide Shut.
#625
Political Exile
Originally Posted by bunkaroo
Don't forget Total Recall!



