anyone else tired of all this HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray stuff?
02-14-07 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
?! Where on earth are you getting those titles? Out of all of those movies, the only films that would actually be exclusive to BD are Star Wars and Finding Nemo.
My point was, I can see how in principle that guy's point could be correct. For example, when DVD first came out, I bought a lot of average flicks because that's what was available on DVD. If I were to go back and look at the sales for DVD vs. VHS, people might be snapping up average movies just because they want DVD movies. I know I did.
I know a lot of people who bought average movies on DVD and not VHS. It would not surprise me to see early on DVD sales for average movies outselling their VHS counterparts.
I can see people buying anything or even average movies on one format (doesn't matter whether it's HD-DVD or Blu-ray) for similar reasons.
02-15-07 | 09:04 AM
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For once...i actually agreed with Bill Hunt.
Frankly, I wish this format war had never happened. I am SO sick and tired of endlessly debating the merits of one of these formats versus the other. I'm tired of talking to reps for studios that are sitting on the fence or straddling both formats, who gamely spout the diplomatic company line about how great both formats are on the record, but off the record tell you how sick they all are of the situation and how much more hassle and headache it's caused them having to support THREE formats (including standard DVD). And I'm tired of watching early adopters backbiting each other at every turn. I'd rather just be talking about all the great films being released on disc in high-definition. I truly don't care which format wins, as long as one wins. But as long as there are two competing formats, we ALL lose. Period. The home video industry is not like videogaming. People do not have the patience for two or even three separate formats. They want to go to the store, buy a disc and know that it's going to work when they get home. It's that simple. They don't want to have to worry about having to buy the red box, or the blue box... or even the red AND blue box.
I'd hate for the high-definition video format war to have the same outcome as the high-resolution audio format war did. DVD-Audio versus SACD ended in a stalemate, and most people just stuck with CDs or moved to MP3 downloads. But mark my words, if the HD-DVD/Blu-ray war lingers on, that's exactly where we're headed. All you enthusiasts that have trenched in to support your particular format of choice come hell or high water had better enjoy the movies you're getting now, because if both formats fizzle out, forget about ever getting deep catalog, or older classics that cost money to restore for HD - money that would have come from software sales that aren't happening because too many people stubbornly stuck to their guns and the format war dragged out until nobody cared anymore. I think Stephen Colbert said it best when predicting the future of the HD format war: "The winner will be the one you DON'T buy." There could be a lot more "truthiness" in that statement than some want to believe.
For the good of the video industry as a whole, and for the benefit of film fans everywhere, this format war needs to end and SOON. So how long do we all have to wait before we start acknowledging the elephant in the room: One of these formats is already winning... and, for better or worse, it isn't HD-DVD.
I'd hate for the high-definition video format war to have the same outcome as the high-resolution audio format war did. DVD-Audio versus SACD ended in a stalemate, and most people just stuck with CDs or moved to MP3 downloads. But mark my words, if the HD-DVD/Blu-ray war lingers on, that's exactly where we're headed. All you enthusiasts that have trenched in to support your particular format of choice come hell or high water had better enjoy the movies you're getting now, because if both formats fizzle out, forget about ever getting deep catalog, or older classics that cost money to restore for HD - money that would have come from software sales that aren't happening because too many people stubbornly stuck to their guns and the format war dragged out until nobody cared anymore. I think Stephen Colbert said it best when predicting the future of the HD format war: "The winner will be the one you DON'T buy." There could be a lot more "truthiness" in that statement than some want to believe.
For the good of the video industry as a whole, and for the benefit of film fans everywhere, this format war needs to end and SOON. So how long do we all have to wait before we start acknowledging the elephant in the room: One of these formats is already winning... and, for better or worse, it isn't HD-DVD.
02-15-07 | 10:13 AM
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^ while in my heart I wish there was one format....my wallet likes 2.
I honestly think the prices would be higher for players AND discs had there just been one format.
In the long run though, he is right, 2 formats are a bad thing.
AND, had there been 1 format, its likely that we would just now be seeing titles. I think they would have taken longer to release. Just my opinion.
I honestly think the prices would be higher for players AND discs had there just been one format.
In the long run though, he is right, 2 formats are a bad thing.
AND, had there been 1 format, its likely that we would just now be seeing titles. I think they would have taken longer to release. Just my opinion.
02-15-07 | 10:15 AM
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I agreed with just about everything Hunt said until the last paragraph. "...One of these formats is already winning... and, for better or worse, it isn't HD-DVD."
To me, that just undermined his entire argument. It's just throwing more gasoline on the fire and getting more people worked up. I'll agree with the multitudes of posts at this point that "winning" at this fractional level of consumer acceptance is all relative. Yes, I would love for one side to win for many reasons, and I believe that either Sony or Toshiba/MS/... could put an end to this war sooner than later if they made an agressive push on pricing and releases. Neither seems to care about a short-term end, and if they don't, why should I? I'm just happy to watch The Departed this weekend and The Prestige next week in HD, regardless of the damn color the case comes in.
To me, that just undermined his entire argument. It's just throwing more gasoline on the fire and getting more people worked up. I'll agree with the multitudes of posts at this point that "winning" at this fractional level of consumer acceptance is all relative. Yes, I would love for one side to win for many reasons, and I believe that either Sony or Toshiba/MS/... could put an end to this war sooner than later if they made an agressive push on pricing and releases. Neither seems to care about a short-term end, and if they don't, why should I? I'm just happy to watch The Departed this weekend and The Prestige next week in HD, regardless of the damn color the case comes in.
02-15-07 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I honestly think the prices would be higher for players AND discs had there just been one format.
Imagine what would have happened had Toshiba just rolled over early on and said, "OK Blu-ray, you win." Blu-ray players would cost a minimum of $2500 with no immediate downward pressure and all the software released would be of the quality of those early Sony and Lionsgate discs.
02-15-07 | 11:17 AM
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The bitching and snide comments on AVS will get only worse when/if one of the HD formats prevails. I can almost guarantee this. 
It will be equally annoying going through the "we won" comments especially in a thread not created for bragging...because I would avoid those threads altogether.
It will be equally annoying going through the "we won" comments especially in a thread not created for bragging...because I would avoid those threads altogether.
02-15-07 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Price would be much higher and quality would be much lower.
Imagine what would have happened had Toshiba just rolled over early on and said, "OK Blu-ray, you win." Blu-ray players would cost a minimum of $2500 with no immediate downward pressure and all the software released would be of the quality of those early Sony and Lionsgate discs.
Imagine what would have happened had Toshiba just rolled over early on and said, "OK Blu-ray, you win." Blu-ray players would cost a minimum of $2500 with no immediate downward pressure and all the software released would be of the quality of those early Sony and Lionsgate discs.
02-15-07 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Centurion
The bitching and snide comments on AVS will get only worse when/if one of the HD formats prevails. I can almost guarantee this.
It will be equally annoying going through the "we won" comments especially in a thread not created for bragging...because I would avoid those threads altogether.
It will be equally annoying going through the "we won" comments especially in a thread not created for bragging...because I would avoid those threads altogether.
02-15-07 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Vipper II
Is that even possible at this standpoint? I can't be on that site for more than five minutes without 90% of the posters making my list of people I'd like to hit with a two-by-four.
Thats EXACTLY why I hate going over to that forum now.
02-15-07 | 12:50 PM
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I see joshd is up to his old dvdtalk tricks over there at avs....basically, stating in a thread he created that PCM is better based on the highdefdigest departed review.
Thats EXACTLY why I hate going over to that forum now.
Thats EXACTLY why I hate going over to that forum now.
I would guess there is a reason that certain posters are mods at blu-ray.com.
02-15-07 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
I see joshd is up to his old dvdtalk tricks over there at avs....basically, stating in a thread he created that PCM is better based on the highdefdigest departed review.
Thats EXACTLY why I hate going over to that forum now.
Thats EXACTLY why I hate going over to that forum now.
This was the comment that got me yesterday (in regards to the Australia BD issue):
Anything that can speed us to a victory has to be a good thing for consumers.
02-15-07 | 01:03 PM
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Just a reminder that discussion of banned members is a no-no.
02-15-07 | 03:45 PM
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Yea, you have to avoid lots of crap over there anymore. It is to the point that I don't even go into the HD sections. It is strictly a political forum in my eyes at this time.
I would guess there is a reason that certain posters are mods at blu-ray.com.
I would guess there is a reason that certain posters are mods at blu-ray.com.
02-15-07 | 03:59 PM
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I honestly don't want there to be a 'winner'. I enjoy the competition, and I feel that competition will eventually lower the prices of the discs, and press each format to pump out more discs. Look how it happens with video games, Atari fought against everyone from Intellivision/Coleco, etc..., Sega vs Nes, Nintendo64 vs PS1, PS2 vs Xbox vs Gamecube, 360 vs PS3 vs Wii, etc... People usually stay with one until something comes along to lure them into multi-system ownership. That's exactly what happened for me with the PS3 for BluRay. I want these two formats to fight each other, which means I win if I can play both formats.
02-16-07 | 09:57 AM
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The tenor here is downright tame and friendly compared to AVS. All of the subforums over there have turned into a free-for-all where BR fanboys post petty and snide comments about HD-DVD and its owners in every single thread, even over on the HD-DVD side. There is no safe haven where one can post about HD-DVD and be free from an insult followed by a wink smiley (which in the eyes of the mods over there makes it all A-ok!)
The same usual suspects post their derision repeatedly, yet the idiotic moderators think it's all ok.
That place has become a cesspool. *spit*
The same usual suspects post their derision repeatedly, yet the idiotic moderators think it's all ok.
That place has become a cesspool. *spit*
02-16-07 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
For HD on disc to be the replacement for dvd, one of the formats has to die. I don't care which one dies either. The general public wants everything simple. 2 formats isn't simple for them. 2 specific players isn't simple for them. Retailers do not want to have to create more space for 2 formats.
02-16-07 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dharding
The tenor here is downright tame and friendly compared to AVS. All of the subforums over there have turned into a free-for-all where BR fanboys post petty and snide comments about HD-DVD and its owners in every single thread, even over on the HD-DVD side. There is no safe haven where one can post about HD-DVD and be free from an insult followed by a wink smiley (which in the eyes of the mods over there makes it all A-ok!)
The same usual suspects post their derision repeatedly, yet the idiotic moderators think it's all ok.
That place has become a cesspool. *spit*
The same usual suspects post their derision repeatedly, yet the idiotic moderators think it's all ok.
That place has become a cesspool. *spit*
02-16-07 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Don't see anything there.
Last edited by Josh Z; 02-16-07 at 02:15 PM.