You will receive lossless audio. However, the lack of processing means you can't play a 5.1 source as 7.1 with DPLIIX. Also, the audio is amplified as is, and any adjustments made to the speakers, like their volume levels, bass management, time delay, equalization, etc. won't take effect with multichannel PCM.

It may be worth looking at if all your speakers are full range and the same distance from the listening position.

Thanks Drexl,
For future reference, will I receive lossless PCM in 7.1 on future 7.1 sources (possible 7.1 HD-DVDs)?

Why are they teasing us with only 2 HDMI inputs on these new receivers? A minimum of 3 is needed for most people would be considering these receivers. 1 for your Cable/DVR, 1 for your DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player, and 1 for your XBOX 360 or Sony PS3.

Yeah, after recieving my PS3 today, I really wish I had a 3rd HDMI input on my 604 now. I didnt realize the difference between the cable/dvr box through component vs. HDMI.

Wouldn't an HDMI switcher (i.e. monoprice) work well in that situation? Or do you lose something in the connection?

If I attempt to buy anything more for the HT anytime soon my wife may shank me...

Well the manual 2x1 HDMI switch from MP is only $30 shipped, hardly a bank breaker (but maybe in your case, ball breaker???)

True the 2x1 HDMI Switch is cheap but still would it kill them to put in 3 HDMI inputs on a receiver. They did the same sh!t when optical inputs first came out. The only thing different here is HDMI is already more popular and I think there just trying to ensure future sales when the 2008 models come out with 3 and 4 HDMI inputs.

so if I purchase a tv with hdmi how does the version help me?

The Onkyo 605 releases next month. HDMI 1.3, Dolby TRUEHD and DTS-HD MASTER AUDIO!!! Pre-order price is only $399. This is my next purchase.



http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.proc...urce=nsa&nsa=1

Damn, that is sweet. Kicking myself for not waiting a few more months.

^^^Same here.

That Onkyo 605 sounds great, but I'll wait until I know exactly what it can and can't do before buying.

Ok, im gonna keep my replacement XA2 and pre-order this. Sweeeeet!

Why the fuck couldnt they have warned us?!?! Damn, oh well Im happy with my 604 and I needed it so. Looks like something to look forward to for the old birthday

I think it's time for me to buy my first receiver ... that thing looks kick-ass. I'll start saving up for it. Can anyone recommend me some (reasonably priced) speakers to go with this thing?

Norh Marble 4.0's are great for HT. www.norh.com
Not everybody's cup of tea but excellent bang for the buck. You may also want to check out their Prism line.

Although this looks sweet, I noticed that it doesn't mention if it upconverts.

edit: nevermind, found on another forum where it says it does upconvert.

Actually it does. On the logo list below the picture the fourth one says Video Upconversion.

Through HDMI or component? What I read, I thought it said only through component, but I only read the specs on J&R's site.

be careful with that Onkyo. It's got the Faroudja scaling chip which can cause macro-blocking in plasmas (and LCDs I think).

It looks like only Component upconversion for the 605 according to the following info from AVS. Looks like you'll need an 875 ($1599) or 905 ($1999) level to get the HDMI upconversion (bolded at bottom):

TX-SR505 MSRP $299 OUT Week of APR 16-20
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m...&class=Receiver
*HDMI 1.3 Video Pass Through (2 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*Audyssey 2EQ Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24
*S-Video (3 in 1 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) 2/2
*Composite (4 in 1 out)
*Power 75W/Ch

TX-SR575 MSRP $399 Out NOW!
http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m...&class=Receiver
*HDMI 1.3 Video Pass Through (2 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*Audyssey 2EQ Room Acoustics Correction With Microphone
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24
*S-Video (3 in 1 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) 2/2
*Composite (4 in 1 out)
*Power 80W/Ch
*XM and Sirius ports

TX-SR605 MSRP $499 Shipping mid May
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (2 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*Faroudja DCDi
*Audyssey 2EQ Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio
*S-Video (5 in 2 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) 3/3
*Composite Video (5 in/2 out)
*Power 90W/Ch
*Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Line-Out
*Bi-Amp Capable
*XM and Sirius ports
*XM HD Surround Sound through Neural Surround

TX-SR705 MSRP $799 Est Shipping date mid to late June
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (3 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (50 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*Faroudja DCDi
*Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio
*THX Select2 Certified
*S-Video (5 in 2 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) 3/3
*Composite (5 in 2 out)
*Power ??0W/Ch
*Powered Zone 2 and Zone 2 Line-Out
*Bi-Amp Capable

TX-SR805 MSRP $999 Est Shipping date mid to late June
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (3 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (100 MHZ) Video Switching (3 in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*Faroudja DCDi
*Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio
*THX Ultra2 Certified
*Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels (TI Architecture (PCM1796))
*S-Video (6 in 1 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) 3/3; OUT (OPT) 1
*Composite (6 in 1 out)
*Power 130W/Ch
*Powered Zone 2 with Balance Volume and tone control
*Powered Zone 3
*Bi-Amp Capable

TX-SR875 MSRP $1599 Est Shipping date mid to late July
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (4 in 1 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (100 MHZ) Video Switching (? in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*HQV Reon-VX Video Processing and NSV Precision Video
*Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio
*THX Ultra2 Certified
*S-Video (? in 1 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) ?/?
*Composite (? in 1 out)
*Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels (TI Architecture (PCM1796))
*Power ??0W/Ch
*Powered Zone 2 with Video Balance Volume and tone control
*Powered Zone 3
*Bi-Amp & BTL Capable
*Dual Push-Pull Amp with 3 stage inverted

TX-NR905 MSRP $1999 Est Shipping date mid to late August
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (4 in 2 out)
*HDMI Deep Color Capable (36bit)
*Component Video Upconversion and HDTV-Capable (100 MHZ) Video Switching (? in 1 out)
*WRAT/ Optimum Gain Volume Circuitry/ Non-Scaling Configuration/ A-Form Listening Mode Memory/ RI
*HQV Reon-VX Video Processing and NSV Precision Video
*Audyssey MultEQ XT Room Acoustics Correction
*7.1 Multichannel Inputs for PCM Delivery of Hi-Def Audio Sources
*DOLBY Decoder - PLIIx, DD, DD-EX, TrueHD
*DTS Decoder - DTS, ES, NEO6, 96/24, HD Master Audio
*THX Ultra2 Certified
*S-Video (? in 1 out)
*Digital Audio IN (OPT/COAX) ?/?
*Composite (? in 1 out)
*Burr-Brown 192/24-bit DAC on all Channels (TI Architecture (PCM1796))
*Power ??0W/Ch
*Powered Zone 2 with Video Balance Volume and tone control
*Powered Zone 3
*Bi-Amp & BTL Capable
*Dual Push-Pull Amp with 3 stage inverted
*Toroidal Transformer and Seperate Transformers for processing.
*Networking Capabilities via Onkyo's e-Control System for Internet Radio and WMA

Additional info:
HDMI and Component Video Upconversion is discribed as follows (For 805/705/605/575/505:
*Signal is output at its input resolutionwith no scaling

Video IN:
*Component
*S-Video
*Composite

Video OUT:
* HDMI or Component Video (Output at input Resolution)

480i>480i 480p>480p 576p>576p 720p>720p 1080i>720p

505/575 send Composite, S-Video and Component IN>Component OUT
HDMI IN>HDMI OUT

605/705/805 send Composite, S-Video, Component and HDMI IN> HDMI OUT


TX-NR905 and TX-SR875 Upconversion of Video Signals to HDMI:
All Video Signals are converted to HD 1080p Quality using Reon-VX Processing.

Video IN:
*Component Video (480i/480p/576p/720p/1080i)
*S-Video (480i)
*Composite (480i)

Video OUT:
*HDMI Output 1080p

Amazon listings for all the new stuff:
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&sea...%20sound&page=1
505, 605, 705, and 805 are listed in that link.

J&R Listings for all the new stuff:
505: Black Silver
575: Black Silver
605: Black

What does this mean, though?

TX-SR605 MSRP $499
*Full A/V Processing via HDMI 1.3a with Upconversion (2 in 1 out)

Ok, so if the input resolution is 1080p, will it still pass it???

Also, I dont see these at amazon.

From what I can tell, HDMI and component inputs will be displayed at their input resolution. All others will be upconverted.