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Old 12-28-06 | 06:48 AM
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I'm not going to post any links but it looks as if someone has cracked the HD-DVD encryption.

Assuming it's true, my thoughts are that this could be a very bad thing for those of us with HD-DVD players. I can't see any BR-exclusive studios even considering to offer movies on HD-DVD now, at least until (if) BR is cracked as well.
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Old 12-28-06 | 07:02 AM
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Meh, only a matter of time before BD+ is cracked as well. Software encryption is always cracked eventually.
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Old 12-28-06 | 07:15 AM
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Isn't the encryption for both formats upgradeable? I thought this was one of the features required.
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Old 12-28-06 | 09:48 AM
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I hope this is not bad news for HD I just got my player.
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Old 12-30-06 | 03:12 PM
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HD DVD hacked/cracked - Will it effect market?

There's a video on YouTube of the guy cracking 2 movies. I don't know what this would do to the format. I only hope it doesn't scare studio's away from producing discs for the format. I can't see it, but you never know. On the other hand, some people (morals aside) may invest in the hardware now knowing the discs can be "ripped". That could boost market share, but obviously in the end the studio's still suffer.

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Old 12-30-06 | 05:24 PM
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They have been ripping regular DVD's for how many years now. At the end of the day, does it really even matter?
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Old 12-30-06 | 06:29 PM
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Old 12-31-06 | 12:49 AM
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Sadly, I don't think the author's optimistic prediction that studios will use this as a tool to test their encryption will pan out. More likely they will run around like chickens with their heads cut off.
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Old 12-31-06 | 01:32 AM
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This wont affect anything. Like the article says, it just means that the next batch of Full Metal Jackets will get a new encryption code and the Cyberlink Player will get a quick patch. Problem solved. Viewing a cracked HD-DVD will eventually be so time consuming that it'll be cheaper to buy it.

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Old 12-31-06 | 03:10 AM
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Meanwhile, has anyone seen Casino? It looks fantastic! I'm also watching The Sopranos Season 6 right now and it also looks great.
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Old 12-31-06 | 06:47 AM
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Meanwhile, has anyone seen Casino? It looks fantastic! I'm also watching The Sopranos Season 6 right now and it also looks great.
Never saw the film before receiving in the HD DVD from Universal. Loved the film and the transfer. Some of the colors felt over-saturated (particularly the oranges on Stone's face). Otherwise from that, detail was excellent, little to no EE/grain/video noise. Another + from Universal. I think I gave it a 4.5/5 (same with the film).
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Old 12-31-06 | 08:53 AM
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Or they'll use it as reason to turn on ICT....since some consumers are crooks and try to crack encryption, well, we have to use every tool we have.
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Originally Posted by Derrich
This wont affect anything. Like the article says, it just means that the next batch of Full Metal Jackets will get a new encryption code and the Cyberlink Player will get a quick patch. Problem solved. Viewing a cracked HD-DVD will eventually be so time consuming that it'll be cheaper to buy it.

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I beg to differ. Hackers aren't paid by the hour. Everytime they "hack", cyberlink requires a patch, and studio's require a encyption. That obviously takes time and money. I can't see studio's playing leap frog with hackers on a daily basis, unless they had a way to force the encryption live like the DSS cards. Let's face it. The "new/change encryption codes" is the same method that failed for the satellite companies.

In regards to the Cyberlink patch, in order for the "patch" to work, it would have to support the "new" Full Metal DVD and the "old". You can't tell consumers that bit early that their copy is no longer valid because someone on the other side of the planet hacked a DVD. You also can't expect that people will be able or willing to upgrade firmware often just for personal enjoyment. How well will a format sell when little Billy goes and buys a DVD, only for it to not play because he needs patches "1-6". I can't see my parents for example taking this on. They don't even know what a "patch is". lol. Face it, nobody "need an internet" to watch DVD's today. If "patching" is an option for the future, eliminate all people with slow or no internet from your consumer base.

Besides, a patch will alter code. Altered code = road map to protection.

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Old 12-31-06 | 09:17 AM
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Or they'll use it as reason to turn on ICT....since some consumers are crooks and try to crack encryption, well, we have to use every tool we have.
A flag? Come on... You have to be kidding me... The ICT will be a walk in the park compared to the encryption
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Old 12-31-06 | 10:00 AM
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A flag? Come on... You have to be kidding me... The ICT will be a walk in the park compared to the encryption
I think he meant they would use the hacking as an excuse to start using ICT.
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Old 12-31-06 | 10:03 AM
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Meanwhile, has anyone seen Casino? It looks fantastic! I'm also watching The Sopranos Season 6 right now and it also looks great.
Yes, just watched it the other night and it was amazing. This was a movie I had skipped on DVD because of the issues with the DVD18 it was on and was glad I did. Definitely one of the better HD transfers.
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Old 12-31-06 | 10:24 AM
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Or they'll use it as reason to turn on ICT....since some consumers are crooks and try to crack encryption, well, we have to use every tool we have.
If they do this won't people who bought the 360 addon be screwed over. Since it requires a digital connection to view ICT movies at it's full resolution, and the 360 only has analog outputs.
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Old 12-31-06 | 10:52 AM
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Never saw the film before receiving in the HD DVD from Universal. Loved the film and the transfer. Some of the colors felt over-saturated (particularly the oranges on Stone's face).
The movie was shot by Robert Richardson (Oliver Stone's usual cinematographer), who likes to play with blown out contrasts and oversaturated colors.
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Old 12-31-06 | 12:50 PM
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I think he meant they would use the hacking as an excuse to start using ICT.
Yes, since there's now the threat of hacking, well, who can blame us for taking any measures we can? Never mind that the hackers will still be able to break it, and all it does is penalize the 'honest consumer' as Mok says [assuming there is such a thing as 'honest consumer' in the minds of many of the content owners].
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Old 12-31-06 | 10:13 PM
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January 1, 2007
Studios’ DVDs Face a Crack in Security
By JOHN MARKOFF
SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 31 — An anonymous computer programmer may have skewed the competition over standards for high-definition DVD discs by possibly defeating a scheme that both sides use to protect digital content.

The standards, HD-DVD and Blu-ray, are being backed by rival coalitions of Hollywood studios and consumer electronics and computer companies that are eagerly marketing a new generation of digital media players and video game machines tailored for widescreen TVs.

The HD-DVD coalition includes companies like Microsoft, Intel, Toshiba and NEC; the Blu-ray camp has Sony, Philips and Samsung. Among studios, Universal is exclusively backing HD-DVD. Paramount and Warner Brothers also support HD-DVD, but not exclusively. Representatives of Walt Disney, 20th Century Fox and Warner Brothers are on the board of the Blu-ray group.

The two groups have taken different technical approaches in their efforts to prohibit consumers from making copies of movies and other digital material stored on discs. Both groups use an encryption scheme known as Advanced Access Copy System. The Blu-ray system also adds a software-based component that makes it possible to modify the copy protection scheme on new discs if the old one is broken by hackers.

The standards are brand new, but it appears that the two groups’ copy protection schemes are already about to be tested.

The HD-DVD camp may have suffered a setback when the programmer, who identified himself as Muslix64, announced in the Internet discussion forum Doom9 on Dec. 18 that he had successfully copied movies distributed in the HD-DVD format. The note directed readers to a site where demonstration software he had written could be downloaded.

“I was not aware of anyone having done that, so I did,” he wrote.

In an accompanying video demonstration posted on the YouTube Web site, the programmer showed encryption keys for six movies and concluded by stating “A.A.C.S. is unbreakable? I don’t think so. Do you? Stay tuned for source code in January. Merry Christmas.”
Same info different source.
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Old 12-31-06 | 10:48 PM
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I havn't seen Casino, yet, but Hulk looks amazing! Just watched it last night.
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Old 12-31-06 | 11:15 PM
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Yeah, Hulk was spotless. I could see every grain of sand on him in the fight in the desert.
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Old 01-01-07 | 10:17 AM
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For one thing, AACS wasn’t really cracked, as that term is commonly understood. Claims to the contrary are based on limited understanding of how AACS was designed to work.

For another, the compromise of a handful of titles now, while the number of discs and players in the market is still insignificant, provides a low-cost, low-risk opportunity to test how well AACS can respond to being compromised.

ACCORDING TO THE DOOM9 postings, Muslix64 was using the USB-enabled HD DVD add-on for his Xbox 360 to view HD DVD discs on his PC, using Cyberlink’s PowerDVD player software.

Using BackupHDDVD, he/she was apparently able to retrieve the title-specific decryption keys from the player memory during playback and then feed them into his/her own decryption procedure as outlined in the public documents available on the AACS Licensing Authority Web site.

The keys themselves apparently remain encrypted, however.

The basic approach with BackupHDDVD is not all that different from DeCSS, the first widely distributed crack of the CSS-encryption used on standard DVDs.

Like BackupHDDVD, DeCSS works by uncovering the decryption keys and using them to create unencrypted files on a hard drive.

In other important ways, however, there is a world of difference between the two scenarios, related to the designs of the respective encryption systems themselves.

CSS relied on a single set of keys that were used to encrypt every DVD and were provided to every DVD player, both hardware and software.

Once those keys were uncovered the first time, the system was fatally compromised. The same utility can be used to rip any DVD for all time.

AACS, on the other hand, was designed specifically to cope with the challenge presented by BackupHDDVD.

Both the PowerDVD player software and the titles themselves carry unique keys, which, if hacked, can be revoked. In principle, the damage can be limited to only those copies of Full Metal Jacket and the others currently in the market and to the PowerDVD player.

THE CHALLENGING PART will be getting the system to work as designed. And here, BackupHDDVD could be a blessing in disguise, giving the studios and software makers a chance to uncover potential bugs in the system while the numbers—and the potential damage—remain small.

First, additional forensic work will have to be done to determine exactly what BackupHDDVD does, to determine exactly where the compromise occurred.

If the player’s keys were indeed compromised, those keys could be “revoked,” meaning all discs pressed from that point forward would be unplayable in the cracked players.

That would have the effect of revoking the players of many people who had done nothing wrong, however, and would actually shield the guilty party or parties from having their players “updated” with new keys.

A more likely scenario is that the player’s existing keys would be revoked at the disc level. New copies of those titles would be replicated using new keys, so that the new discs would not play in the compromised players.

Updated keys for the PowerDVD player could then be distributed via new discs so that innocent owners of PowerDVD can continue to use their players.

How quickly that can all be made to happen, however, and with what degree of due-process for Cyberlink remain unclear. What procedures exist, exist only on paper and have never been tried in the real world.

But the studios might as well find out now, when the damage affects only a few catalog titles and a handful of players.
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Old 01-01-07 | 09:54 PM
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There's a part of that article that has me scratching my head. Specifically it's this part:
If the player’s keys were indeed compromised, those keys could be “revoked,” meaning all discs pressed from that point forward would be unplayable in the cracked players.

That would have the effect of revoking the players of many people who had done nothing wrong, however, and would actually shield the guilty party or parties from having their players “updated” with new keys.

A more likely scenario is that the player’s existing keys would be revoked at the disc level. New copies of those titles would be replicated using new keys, so that the new discs would not play in the compromised players.
Aren't paragraphs one and three describing the same course of action?
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Old 01-01-07 | 10:20 PM
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There's a part of that article that has me scratching my head. Specifically it's this part:

Aren't paragraphs one and three describing the same course of action?
In the first scenario, all new titles would be unplayable in the player. In the second scenario, only new copies of the compromised titles would be unplayable.
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