HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray vs. everything else free-for-all
07-12-06 | 12:09 PM
#1126
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Originally Posted by awmurray
So where are all the BD-J extra features that Blu-ray promised?
07-12-06 | 12:15 PM
#1127
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Originally Posted by Coral
Like most things from the Blu-Ray camp, it exists in a place known as "Potential-Land" and will be released in some unknown future.
07-12-06 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Coral
Like most things from the Blu-Ray camp, it exists in a place known as "Potential-Land" and will be released in some unknown future.
07-12-06 | 12:17 PM
#1129
Originally Posted by RockStrongo
Ah, then I guess BD will continue with featureless releases. Brilliant on their part. 
07-12-06 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I don't think they are able to make BD hybrids for certain technical reasons. It just gets added to the other stuff they can't do right now such as dual layers...
07-12-06 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flashburn
I thought it was due to the fact that Blu-ray wasn't adopted by the DVD Forum so they aren't allowed to associate their product with DVD in any way.
07-12-06 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
It just gets added to the other stuff they can't do right now such as dual layers...
Good explanation of what I'm talking about here:
Was the DVD-Forum right?
07-12-06 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
In Sony's mind, AOC was the second best idea. Clearly they didn't expect yield problems or know how efficient advanced codecs would become.
Codec:
Sony argued that the mpeg2 codec was mature and switching codec would not be required. Since HD-DVD would have about 5-6 times the pixels as a DVD it would require an increase in capacity to about 50-55GB. The BD provided such capacity and would allow movies to be encoded with current software. AOC with it's lower capacity would not be able to use mpeg2 and maintain a high PQ, however Toshiba argued that newer codec like H.264 were about 2X as efficent and combining a higher capacity disk with H.264 would allow for a high resolution image.
Sony argued that the mpeg2 codec was mature and switching codec would not be required. Since HD-DVD would have about 5-6 times the pixels as a DVD it would require an increase in capacity to about 50-55GB. The BD provided such capacity and would allow movies to be encoded with current software. AOC with it's lower capacity would not be able to use mpeg2 and maintain a high PQ, however Toshiba argued that newer codec like H.264 were about 2X as efficent and combining a higher capacity disk with H.264 would allow for a high resolution image.
Ironically, HD DVD is the forward thinker here.
07-12-06 | 02:29 PM
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While Sony has made a lot of mistakes lately, I'll still give them the benefit of the doubt and say that they really did think that BD would be superior at the time, and didn't do it just for pure profit.
07-12-06 | 03:30 PM
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Also, I lost all hope for a fair article the second this obvious faker said that Blu Ray is better known as BD-DVD. I love how he spews this shit about the "test equipment." I would bet $50 he just made shit up from what he's read or was fed by Sony.
07-12-06 | 04:32 PM
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Interesting post/rumor:
http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/to...0733387ed8cbce
"Holy crud, that reminds me! Totally forgot to post this. Last week I had lunch with a buddy of mine who works at a DVD authoring house. He knew I had just gotten an HD player (and was the only person in the building who owned one apparently), so he took me on a quick tour of HD DVD authoring and their Blu-Ray department. The HD DVD group looked busy, but I was told they weren't having too many problems. However, in the room where they were working on an upcoming Blu-Ray title, it was a different story. He poked his head in, said "You guys alright?" A short grunt was the only reply from the room, at which point my friend said, "Yeah, they're having lots of problems with Blu-Ray. No one here likes it."
I'm not sure what any of that might mean, only that this particular authoring house prefers HD DVD to Blu-Ray... I was even told they were thinking about not taking on too many Blu-Ray titles, as it was slowing everything down.
Take it how you will."
http://www.hddvd.org/messageboard/to...0733387ed8cbce
"Holy crud, that reminds me! Totally forgot to post this. Last week I had lunch with a buddy of mine who works at a DVD authoring house. He knew I had just gotten an HD player (and was the only person in the building who owned one apparently), so he took me on a quick tour of HD DVD authoring and their Blu-Ray department. The HD DVD group looked busy, but I was told they weren't having too many problems. However, in the room where they were working on an upcoming Blu-Ray title, it was a different story. He poked his head in, said "You guys alright?" A short grunt was the only reply from the room, at which point my friend said, "Yeah, they're having lots of problems with Blu-Ray. No one here likes it."
I'm not sure what any of that might mean, only that this particular authoring house prefers HD DVD to Blu-Ray... I was even told they were thinking about not taking on too many Blu-Ray titles, as it was slowing everything down.
Take it how you will."
07-12-06 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RockStrongo
^ Ugh....do we have to read that shitty article again?
So I have to ask, is anything written in these magazines and newspapers true? If they don't do real research on something as basic as HD DVD should I expect them to do any fact checking on the stuff going on in Iraq?
These "journalists" are either lazy, corrupt or both.
07-12-06 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by darkside
Outside of the honest reviews at DVD Talk I have read nothing but bullshit about both formats. The scary thing is I only know this by doing so much research on HD video. If I was just an average consumer I would assume that Blu-ray was the best and not even give HD DVD a second thought.
So I have to ask, is anything written in these magazines and newspapers true? If they don't do real research on something as basic as HD DVD should I expect them to do any fact checking on the stuff going on in Iraq?
These "journalists" are either lazy, corrupt or both.
So I have to ask, is anything written in these magazines and newspapers true? If they don't do real research on something as basic as HD DVD should I expect them to do any fact checking on the stuff going on in Iraq?
These "journalists" are either lazy, corrupt or both.
07-12-06 | 05:12 PM
#1146
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Originally Posted by Davy Mack
I think it's good that everyone can FINALLY directly compare the 2 formats with the same film. If the BD STILL looks like ASS, then it is only a good thing for HDdvd!
Actually.... if Blu looks the same it will still be good for HD-DVD
07-12-06 | 05:13 PM
#1147
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
Actually.... if Blu looks the same it will still be good for HD-DVD
07-12-06 | 05:15 PM
#1148
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Originally Posted by darkside
Outside of the honest reviews at DVD Talk I have read nothing but bullshit about both formats. The scary thing is I only know this by doing so much research on HD video. If I was just an average consumer I would assume that Blu-ray was the best and not even give HD DVD a second thought.
So I have to ask, is anything written in these magazines and newspapers true? If they don't do real research on something as basic as HD DVD should I expect them to do any fact checking on the stuff going on in Iraq?
These "journalists" are either lazy, corrupt or both.
So I have to ask, is anything written in these magazines and newspapers true? If they don't do real research on something as basic as HD DVD should I expect them to do any fact checking on the stuff going on in Iraq?
These "journalists" are either lazy, corrupt or both.
You've just learned one of the scary truths of life.
Every time there's a newspaper article (or, dear lord, one of those 3-minute local news segments) on a topic I know well, I can GUARANTEE you that they'll get something completely wrong. Plus, they'll exaggerate a point, or ignore a crucial counter point, or otherwise slant a story so that it doesn't represent anything near what I know is true.
And, every time, I think exactly what you do... if they always get stuff wrong that I know about, why do I blindly trust them about things that I don't know about? I look at EVERYTHING critically now.
07-12-06 | 05:25 PM
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Someone on AVS made a good point...
What if it's the discs making BD look bad? Is that even possible? I'm saying...not the player...not the encoding...but the discs? I wouldn't think so since it's just a digital media.
What if it's the discs making BD look bad? Is that even possible? I'm saying...not the player...not the encoding...but the discs? I wouldn't think so since it's just a digital media.
