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I think there will be alot of these available.
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Originally Posted by namja
See what you started??? -wink-
But yeah, I agree with you 100%. It's a $200 add-on to a $400 (or FREE if your uncle Chalie bought it for you) Xbox 360 player. The best BD counter-argument, IMHO, is that you get a FREE BD player with the purchase of a $500 (or FREE if your aunt Sue buys it for you) PS3. It's still the net present value of the money to me. I've already benefitted more than the $400 it cost me last year for my 360, so to add additional benefit it's $200 for the add-on. I've essentially paid myself off for the expense :) so I don't consider it a compounded cost. Last from me on that subject. |
Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
It was an implication rather than an accusation, but in context, what other way is there to interpret what you wrote?
I've gone ahead and restored your comment since you stand by it, though. |
Originally Posted by namja
Josh, why stop there?
The $200 HD DVD player requires a $400 Xbox 360 so you claim that it's a $600 player. But it requires an HDTV ($600; let's say we're gonna be cheap) to be able to view the movie, so now it's a $1,200 player. But you need a house to view the TV in, so now it's a $151,200 HD DVD player (I think we've established the $150k). Oh, wait, you still need an audio system, and electricity bill, and a plush sofa, and ... ... or we can just call it what it is: a $200 HD DVD player add-on to the Xbox 360. And technically, you don't need any of those things to get the machine to play the disc (besides electricity). Once you hit play and see the time elapsing on the display, its playing te disc. Can't really do that with an addon. |
Originally Posted by namja
See what you started??? -wink-
But yeah, I agree with you 100%. It's a $200 add-on to a $400 (or FREE if your uncle Chalie bought it for you) Xbox 360 player. The best BD counter-argument, IMHO, is that you get a FREE BD player with the purchase of a $500 (or FREE if your aunt Sue buys it for you) PS3. It's still the net present value of the money to me. I've already benefitted more than the $400 it cost me last year for my 360, so to add additional benefit it's $200 for the add-on. I've essentially paid myself off for the expense :) so I don't consider it a compounded cost. Last from me on that subject. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
I have no problem calling it an addon. The comment was made way back there that it was a individual player. That is not correct.
Originally Posted by bravesmg
The HD-DVD add-on to my 360 is going to cost me $200 (and don't give me any logic about the total cost of my 360 is $600, I bought a launch 360 regardless of anything about HD-DVD).
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What a fucking waste of time and energy.
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
Actually, this was the post that started it all:
Originally Posted by bravesmg
So for $600, I'm going to have 2 HD-DVD players, granted that the add-on drive probably isn't going to blow the world away, but I would take a component only BD player for $200 too.
But I guess namja put it best: Buy a PS3 and get a Blu-Ray player FREE! |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
$1600 Hybrid Player, but yes. Of course, depreciation of the original investment would lower that price. But yes, your investment in that player would be $1600.
This isn't rocket science folks, general business accounting. Your investment in this weird PC version is $600. You do not update the cost structure on something tiny like a computer just because you added an expensive piece. If you later sell it, it would be valued at market price. Oh, and actually the add-ons would be expensed, not in depreciation. Actually, you wouldn't even update the house with a new add-on, either. But any time you value a house, like for a refi, you take a new market value. Damn, I tried to get the topic away. Worked for like...an hour. (sorry Adam, I was already typing before you posted) |
It's not laziness. I quoted the only relevant part.
Originally Posted by joshd2012
You can't tell me he wasn't regarding the HD DVD add-on as an individual player.
360 + add-on = HD DVD player. He'd long since paid for the 360 and didn't buy it with HD DVD playback in mind, so he didn't factor in the price of the console. In my mind, that's completely reasonable. He paid $600 to get two HD DVD players -- one a standalone, one as an upgrade for a video game console he already owned. If you're ever doing his taxes or compare it to how a business would account for adding the capability to watch movies in high-definition to a video game console, you can disagree. Let's consider this settled. We will never convince each other of anything, and too many posts on this thread have already been wasted arguing back and forth. Any further posts on this pointless subject should be directed to the dedicated thread about the Xbox 360 add-on. Splitting posts out of this thread is a hassle because of its size, so any further follow-ups will be removed. |
Just a heads up... the 360 HD DVD add on is now available for pre-order on amazon.com
Says item will be released 11/7/06, same date as ebgames has listed. I just placed my preorder. |
Originally Posted by glorafiedg
Just a heads up... the 360 HD DVD add on is now available for pre-order on amazon.com
Says item will be released 11/7/06, same date as ebgames has listed. I just placed my preorder. |
Originally Posted by candyrocket786
What a fucking waste of time and energy.
Well, it's not as bad as the one on AVS about Paramount preorders on Amazon which morphed into a massive debate about salad and carrots (link):
Originally Posted by Fettasitc
Of course there are more carbs in it than protein or fat......IT'S A GODDAMN CARROT!
This converstation is beyond absurd. |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
$1600 Hybrid Player, but yes. Of course, depreciation of the original investment would lower that price. But yes, your investment in that player would be $1600.
This isn't rocket science folks, general business accounting. If I have a $1,000,000 house and spend $20,000 on a pool - you say I now have a $1,020,000 swimming pool? You're past the end of the limb on this one, I think... ;) |
Originally Posted by candyrocket786
What a fucking waste of time and energy.
Can we just b** Josh and continue the thread? :D (just kidding!) ;) |
Originally Posted by joshd2012
$1600 Hybrid Player, but yes. Of course, depreciation of the original investment would lower that price. But yes, your investment in that player would be $1600.
This isn't rocket science folks, general business accounting. |
Originally Posted by PerryD
What online stores are selling the Samsung BD player for $600? I'm assuming it's widely available at that price, since it's being quoted here so often. Just post the link, I may pick one up at that price.
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Originally Posted by joshd2012
http://www.secondact.biz/product/BDP1000RB
Its a factory refurb from an authorized Samsung dealer. But you can get them new in box on Ebay for the same price or less. |
Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Um, no it isn't. We are talking costs, you are talking asset values, two COMPLETLY different things, and frankly your tone is a bit out of line. Just because someone doesn't see things your way doesn't make them dumb.
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You people are all nuts.
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Very true. But you should go back and read the first 2 sections of the Free-for-all thread if you really want to see it. Now we have to be nicer and not abuse each other as much.
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
Not bad, just not necessary to a game. If I want to watch a movie, there are plenty out there.
I disagree. By adding in unproven technology at this point in time, they are driving the cost of the machine way up. This could also cause some hardware issues down the line since BD is a completely unproven technology. What happens if all these launch PS3s shit the bed in three years? And don't think that won't happen and that Sony won't try to sweep the problem away because many a PS2 owner would disagree. PS2 incorporated DVD well after the technology was launched. It was well on its way to "perfected" and it didn't have a sales-crippling effect on the price of the console. Besides ALL that, games really don't give a screw about multiple discs. Only now are PC games more and more common on DVD. Plus, as has been pointed out again and again and again, multiple discs are a perceived value over single discs. Sony would have been smarter waiting till PS4 to update the preferred media and left PS3 as a DVD based system. They are gambling that PS3 will make them a fortune on BD licenses. We'll see. But anyone that wants a PS3 HAS to pay for that extra, unneeded space. Sony is a big company. They have many (I think too many) masters to serve. This is a company who produces CD burners, writable discs and then cripples thier CDs so they can't be copied. They produce DVD burners and DVD movies yet treat all their customers suspiciously. Why is it so hard to imagine that "Put BD in PS3" came down as a mandate to the PS group and they did a collective "WTF??" when they figured out how much this rig would cost. It will be the people in the PS group that will be "shamed" if PS3 is a failure, when it will truly be whoever made the decision to force BD down everyone's throats. I like my ps2. I have had tons of fun playing it over the years. I have never had any of the widespread trouble with my console. I'm lucky. I don't own an X-Box. I had a PS1 on day one. I think some of the PS3 games look incredible. I think the price is absolutely a lead anchor around the neck of success for this console. Not one, NOT ONE, person I have talked to "in real life" thinks that $600 is a palatable price. When people see this on a shelf (sometime near next christmas) next to a cheaper Wii (with a game) and whatever 360 bundle there is, how the hell do they think they will sell? Now for a long time, when people were counting HD-DVD out, I said "price price price" and some of the diehard (then) BD Supporters thought price was no issue. Well it has been, and will continue to be. PS3 will be the cheapest BD player. That does NOT in any way guarantee its success as a gaming machine. Personally, I think it will be this year's Sega Saturn. A couple pages back but very well said. I couldnt agree more. PS... |
So, any releases numbers for this yet? Seems to be a lot of bitching still......
I may pre-order, but I want to pick it up launch day at Best Buy. |
Are you kidding?? We'll be arguing about the actual numbers long after they've actually been established.
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Originally Posted by glorafiedg
Just a heads up... the 360 HD DVD add on is now available for pre-order on amazon.com
Says item will be released 11/7/06, same date as ebgames has listed. I just placed my preorder. Status is now listed as "No Longer Available" Damn thing didn't even last a day. |
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