joshd2012

So you're argument is, that you assume Sony would react the same way, even though they currently are not, nor have they in the past with previous media formats. Hell of a convincing argument you're making there.



If we could please leave the assumptions behind, and stick with the facts, CES starts in just over a week and Sony is going to officially announce Blu-Ray. Is there any similar conference going on at either CES or at another venue?

chemosh6969

When did this become slashdot?

I guess you don't realize that .NET code is not OS specific.

It also sounds like you don't know how .NET works. I could be wrong but with the crazy stuff you're saying, who knows.

Josh H

It's a fair assumption as all big companies go to any length to make a profit.

And sony has shown themselves more than willing to fuck over consumers in the process with the DRM on their latest CDs.

One's just as bad as the other, and the assumption is by no means a stretch for most reasonble people.

joshd2012

So I guess Microsoft has just been unlucky when they get fined for unfair business practices and monopolistic activity. Over and over.

And Sony BGM is not the same operation as Sony Computer Entertainment or Sony Electronics.

awmurray

I'm not aware of a CLR that runs on any UNIX platform.... or for that matter, any non Windows platform... For that matter, why would anyone want to? If they did, they'd just wind up with Java. Re-inventing the wheel.

From The Code Project:

chemosh6969

Basically.

Microsoft basically set it up but wants us to make the final step.

The main thing I like about .NET is being able to have different people use different programming languages on the same project. I haven't had that experience yet but if it was ever needed it would be nice.

I took a class that was basically a class on how .NET works on the inside and some command line type programming along with making web programs like services. The last week was making GUI which was fine with me because who needs to spend a lot of time on that.

That was the most useful programming class I had ever taken since we learned a lot about what it is and what it can do instead of going off of some book like Learn Programming in 24 Hours like other classes.

I remeber in one of my other classes we were talking about .NET and since I took that other class, I was a little more familiar with the insides than the teacher was. I mentioned that there was some group trying to get Perl up and running with .NET and this guy in the class went insane for the next few weeks in class on how it wasn't possible and he called Microsoft last night and some other large software developers and they confirmed what he was talking about.

Those were the days.

Dead

Guys, I'd suggest that you keep the comments directed at the topic and drop the digs at each other.

Qui Gon Jim

So by your logic, Sony should be hated since their software (either Columbia or SCE) will only run on their system, BR or PSx.

Believe me Sony is no angel and neither is Microsoft.

Al_Tahoe

Is anyone posting in this thread whose name isn't Josh?

Terrell

There worse. As Josh said, just look at their latest DRM issues. Not to mention every piece of Sony hardware I've ever owned was a poorly made piece of crap.

I've sworn Sony off for good, except for their DVDs. I only buy those out of a necessity to own those particular films.

Kind of funny since I'd prefer Blu-Ray win. Either way, when I do buy a hi-def DVD player, it won't be a Sony brand.

As for Microsoft, I would have ditched them a long time ago. But I do not like Linux and Macs are too expensive for my tastes. That said, I don't use Windows Media Player or Internet Explorer. I use Firefox instead and I used media players such as Media Player Classic, Zoom Player, and BSPlayer.

DavidH

[QUOTE=Terrell] Not to mention every piece of Sony hardware I've ever owned was a poorly made piece of crap.[QUOTE]

Well, the "hardware" that I've bought from Sony has been quite good, particularly the TVs...and the picture quality has been second to none.

The Cow

You are probably in the minority on this; and a very small minority.

Stick it to the man (oops, you didn't)!

Josh Z

Hardly. Go to any hardware forum and look for posts on Sony. In pretty much any product category, their merchandise is notorious for breaking down shortly after the warranty expires, as if specifically engineered for that purpose.

Once upon a time, decades ago, Sony was renowned for high quality Japanese electronics. But around the late 80s/early 90s the company went through a major shift in direction and is now equated with high prices and mediocre quality.

Sony is the Bose of anything that Bose doesn't do.

gutwrencher

I only buy Denon and Sony for the most part and my Sony gear has been problem free, some for years. Two of my three HD sets are Sony and as usual, blow away the PQ of other brands I've tried. My new Wega numbs the mind.

Josh H

The only sony items I've had problems with were a discman several years back that crapped out after a couple years, and a boombox I bought last year that stopped playing cds after 6 months.

Other than that I've been very pleased with my Wega TV, receiver, speakers, newer discman etc.

I just don't think they're by anymeans an angel corporation, nor any better than MS. Just a typical big company only out for their bottomline.

Shazam

Yeesh. At least try to make seem like you know what the hell you're talking about. .NET has *nothing* like the stupidity that is J2EE. ASP.NET is *nothing* like the junk that is JSP. And do you really think that a .NET remote component resembles anything like an EJB? Do you even know what an EJB is?

Fuck, if you're stupid enough to think that C# is a ripoff of Java, maybe the C++ consortium should sue Java for ripping them off! LOL.

And there's the Mono project. I'll let you look that up. Maybe you know how to use Google.

Mod Note: Take your tone down a notch, thanks

awmurray

You need to follow your own advice. If you knew how to use google, you could verify everything I've said:

From CNET News concerning how C# was illegally modified from Java:

Not true. The two are very similar because Microshaft stole it and modified it. Dot-NET is the answer/clone to J2EE. C# is the answer/clone to Java. ASP is the answer/clone to JSP.

I worked on a major project at Glaxo last year. They used Java/J2EE for one part and C#/.NET for the other side. I've used both, so I do know what I'm talking about.

They even had to buy me a C#/.NET Developer Kit so I could prototype some things. It cost them $1,800. My Java/J2EE Developer Kit cost them $0.

Well I've been in the business for 15 years as a consultant so I deal with this stuff all the time. I battle the Microsoft borg for their competitors. I have worked/battled with them behind the scenes in standards committees. And I have worked on the internal code of the EJB engine for a major commercial J2EE Application Server (one of the big 2). I have also worked on the internal code for the JSP/Servlet Container on the same product.


Read the above. It is a ripoff of Java. And I think I do know "what the fuck" I'm talking about. DO you?

I don't come to your job and knock the broom out of your hand do I?

Thanks, mod.

DavidH

Josh,

You can find the same number of complaints for other companies as well on any Internet forum.

Also, please show me the evidence that their merchandise is specifically designed to break down shortly after warranty expires. I and people I have known have owned MANY Sony products for a number of years. The quality has been just as good as any other manufacturer. And the performance, particularly with video (TVs in particular) have been outstanding. Talk to any well qualified ISF tech who have vast experience calibrating TVs and they will tell you good well Sonys perform. The Wegas - CRTs and SXRD - are the best in their respective price class.

I get the feeling Sony is being largely attacked for, in fact, manufacturing a large number of high performing products, and the fact they are large and have been successful over the years. It's quite interesting how people on this forum love to bash large, successful companies (MicroSoft comes to mind). I suspect in many cases it has to do with certain political leanings or philosophies.

chemosh6969

awmurray, what's so bad about C#? Is it just because it's from Micro$oft?

It's like a combination of C and C++ with some Java features built into it.

I'm all for the advancement in programming languages and I don't care who makes the product if it makes it easier to get my stuff done.

DthRdrX

Yea right, because we all know only Sony does all the above.

I havn't had any complaints with any of my Sony gear.

joshd2012

Why is it then, if you go to the highly respected AVS Forum, they continually praise Sony products? Why is that the resently released SXRD projector being considered the best projector on the market? Why is it that Sony continually leads in the digital camera market?

A better question, why are you bashing Sony?

matome

Never had a problem with my Sony DVD players (one is six years old the other, four) and they have had HEAVY usage over the years. Same with my Playstations and Cybershot cameras.

awmurray

The problem I have with it is that it's a clone of Java. Microsoft has a history of "borrowing" other people's innovations, modifying it, calling it their own and using it's monopolistic power to force it on people. If you use C#, you're going to be running on a server running some form Microsoft OS and server software. That is why C# was invented-- so you'd be tied to MS Windows.

For example, the project I'm on now is a programming API used by other developers. It is designed such that the spec can be implemented using any technology you care to. The implmentation that has been developed uses Java. And therefore it has been ported to handheld PCs already (a design requirement). Now, if C#/.NET were the implementation choice, it would not run on the handheld PCs or any of the UNIX platforms (another design requirement). You would be tied to using MS Windows and Internet Explorer which is what they want.

I just don't want to see the same thing happen to HD-DVD or whatever the next generation of home media format is.

It is interesting that Blu-Ray uses Java and that MS wants to get rid of that. They've been trying to for years. They DON'T want a platform independent language. They want people to use Windows only.

I've been coding long enough to remember the days that Microsoft was giving competing developers hobbled developer DLLs to code to. This made sure that competing products to MS Word, MS Excel and others would perform slower because the DLLs were written inefficiently on purpose.

They are not interested in fair competition. It would have been nice if the FTC had split MS into an OS company and the "other software" company to remove this tight coupling. Then they couldn't have stomped on Netscape and forced a browser on the public that -again- only runs on Windows. There are many other examples.

EDIT: Wanted to add that I'm not partial to either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. I'm watching the developments, but I don't actually want one side or the other to win at this point. But it was alarming to hear that Microsoft might have ulterior motives to supporting HD-DVD and may be using their clout-- possibly illegally (again)-- to influence the outcome. That's what I'm concerned about.

Interestingly, the Java vs C# example was only one of the examples I gave regarding how MS illegally uses their power to influence the market.

digitalfreaknyc

Although I'm not Sony's biggest fan, I'm not entirely sure why. My parents have had the same Sony big screen TV since I was in high school and it still works great. Doesn't LOOK great by today's standards but...still works. And I had a Wega for a few years and it gave me a GREAT picture.

I think I used to hate their portable CD players because they broke all the time. Everything else works great though.

DthRdrX

Adam Tyner over at AVS found something iteresting. Hd-dvd titles are starting to show up on the amazon.com. Earliest titles make it look like a March Launch. Among them:

Aeon Flux (6/6/06)
Braveheart (10/31/06)
Four Brothers (4/11/06)
The Italian Job (4/4/06)
Lara Croft: Tomb Raider (4/11/06)
The Manchurian Candidate (6/6/06)
Sahara (5/9/06)
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow (3/14/06)
U2 - Rattle & Hum (3/28/06)
The Ultimate Star Trek Movie Collection (11/7/06)
We Were Soldiers (5/23/06)