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Old 07-19-21 | 08:37 PM
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I just finished a first time viewing of Birds of Prey (aka Birds of Prey: And the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn). This is currently in the front running for the worst film I've seen this year. While I gave it the same rating as I did The 5th Wave I actually enjoyed The 5th Wave more. I find it an insult to the comic of the same name, one I've read since its inception, that this stinker of a film appropriated the title and characters while keeping little to none of the comic series. It's the antithesis of the comic in almost every respect. The *only* good part of the film is *parts* of the soundtrack. I'm amazed this dog of a film was green lit. Just who was this made for? Certainly not fans of the comic series *or* of DC comics in general. I purchased my copy during BF sales for $5. I was ripped off. They should have paid me $5 to take it off their hands. Blech!
Old 07-20-21 | 10:06 AM
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I just finished a first time viewing of Birds of Prey Blech!
You took one for the team. I have no plans to watch it, but I see IMDB gave it a 6/10. Whats your rating?
Old 07-20-21 | 12:24 PM
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Birds of Prey made me want to eat a breakfast sandwich!
Old 07-20-21 | 04:52 PM
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You took one for the team. I have no plans to watch it, but I see IMDB gave it a 6/10. Whats your rating?
I gave it a 4/10 and feel I'm being generous.
Old 07-20-21 | 06:13 PM
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I bought one of those film sets many years ago that contain 20 Sci-fi movies, called Strange Tales. I wanted one movie from it (at this point, I don't even remember which one) and it was cheaper to buy this than the lone film. So none of these films are great in the first place, but I'm trying to make my way through each disc at least once.

Today's watch is Alien Species from 1996. It's horrible. Like, no redeemable qualities. It's so bad, that it's not even cheesy bad. For me, the only "good" part of this film is that it does qualify for the "takes place in the future but it's come and gone" check. Made in 1996, takes place in 1999. Acting is horrible, plot makes no sense, effects are awful, dialog awful. Skip this one.
Old 07-21-21 | 11:14 AM
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If anyone is interested in the Heisei and Millennium series of Godzilla movies, I was browsing ahead on the Dish Guide yesterday out of boredom and saw a Godzilla marathon on Comet. I believe they are on Friday and Saturday. I also saw that, I believe, Saturn 3 is on there on Monday.
Old 07-21-21 | 03:41 PM
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Another day, another couple of "bad" movies...

Journey to the Center of the Earth (1988) had a *very* troubled production. It began with one director and writing staff and ground to a halt part way into production. A couple of years later it was given to another director, Albert Pyun, to complete. He wrote a new screen play and turned it into a sequel to his recently completed Alien from L.A. using most of the cast of that film plus some of the original cast. The result is a film that's... interesting... and very, very weird. It shares little with the Jules Verne novel (basically the name and that it takes place underground), features Atlantis (yes, that Atlantis) at the "center of the earth" which posses technology similar to the surface world. Sequences begin and are not completed. Events jump from getting started to finishing with no middle. And a brief cameo by Cathy Ireland. I truly can't decide if it's better than Birds of Prey.

The Tomorrow War (2921) has an interesting premise: Time travelers arrive from 2051 with an urgent message: Mankind is losing a global war against a deadly alien species. The only hope is for people from the present to go to the future and join the fight as there's only a few hundred thousand people left on the earth.

Sounds good - but... It's *just* OK in that Independence Day kind of OK. Very good visuals and lots of action and some great looking sets (mostly, if not all, CGI but at least not looking it too much) with a story that hangs on by a thin thread.

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They send *civilians* into the future to fight and arm them with machine and hand guns. The creatures they're fighting are practically impervious to machine guns and these civilians have *not* been trained to use the weapons so they're, essentially, fodder/distractions. I kept wondering just why they didn't use better weaponry. You know, mortars, armor piercing shells, flame throwers, explosive rounds, etc.

These aliens are only vulnerable in the throat and stomach areas yet our intrepid hero manages to take one down by hand.

The people who get drafted/accepted into the future war ranks have one thing in common. None of them will survive to the years the war begins and some are told *when* they'll die *if* they return (there's a 70% mortality rate). Your tenure is 7 days as that's how long it is between alien attacks so they try to take out as many as possible during the "lull" between alien emergence. If you still show signs of life at the end of 7 days you're automatically pulled back no matter where you are or what you're doing. This sets up the dramatic scene where our hero is pulled back while trying to save his daughter who's falling into a hoard of attacking aliens.

Sometimes people can outrun the aliens - if it's convenient to the plot.

The serum that has the potential to kill the queens (yeah... like an ant's nest) is developed by our hero's daughter (who's all grown up with advanced degrees and pretty much in charge of the final operation) and given to dad to take back and get into the aliens to kill them *before* the war begins. This creates a paradox - a huge one. If he's successful then there's no future war that can send back the serum to kill the aliens to stop the war in the future.

She tells him all about his past self - after he returns from the war - and how he eventually dies when she's 16 (she was 8 when he jumped into the future). More paradox.

Our hero's somewhat estranged dad, an anti-government type who also has advanced degrees, helps him deliver the serum as no one in the present time believes what he's saying. This in spite of growing dissension in the present and the inevitable looting/etc. due to everyone believing they truly have no future. After all, people came from the future to tell them this.

Of course there's the precocious kid, a student of our hero, who's a volcano expert and can tell them *why* there's volcanic dust under alien's claws when they emerged from a remote area of Russia.


So... it's one of those movies that's in the "So bad it's good" category in my book. The typical summer popcorn flick. And, yes, it's superior to Birds of Prey... barely.
Old 07-22-21 | 12:59 AM
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I liked Birds of Prey when I watched it last year In a stupid/fun way (which was exactly what I was expecting going in). Not a superhero comic reader, so I didn't have any preconceptions of how if "should" be. Looking at the DVDTalk review thread opinions are not surprisingly all over the place, although most members have it between a 3 and 4 out of 5. I'll certainly check out James Gunn's Suicide Squad later this summer. It seems like he's a good fit for the material.

I just finished rewatching all of Ray Harryhausen's Sinbad movies, which were a huge part of my childhood. The 7th Voyage of Sinbad is just magical for me. The Golden Voyage of Sinbad is still pretty good, and I'll put the Kali battle up with Harryhausen's best scenes. That may have been the first movie I remember seeing in the theaters (although I may have seen it as a Saturday matinee later in the 70s). Tom Baker seems nothing like the Doctor Who role he'd start the year after doing this movie:

Eye of the Tiger is easily the weakest, though still good compared to other children's fantasy of the 70s. It couldn't have helped that it came out at the same time as Star Wars, which blew all the minds of kids at that time (including myself).
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Old 07-22-21 | 09:44 AM
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I went old school yesterday and watched an old favorite - my new BR of Disney's Peter Pan. Still a fun film after decades...
Old 07-22-21 | 12:11 PM
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I went old school yesterday and watched an old favorite - my new BR of Disney's Peter Pan. Still a fun film after decades...
Peter Pan is still one of my favorite Disney movies, even if I cringe a bit at Tiger Lily and the songs that go along with. I have a first edition copy of Peter and Wendy, the American version, I mean, which is one of my favorite books in my collection. It's not in perfect condition, but I still love it and read it every few years.
Old 07-23-21 | 07:43 PM
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Do you think the Amazon Prime movie Jolt would be a reasonable wild card? The premise sounds borderline sci-fi/fantasy (a woman with a murderous super-powered split personality controlled by an electrical jacket).
Old 07-23-21 | 08:04 PM
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Do you think the Amazon Prime movie Jolt would be a reasonable wild card? The premise sounds borderline sci-fi/fantasy (a woman with a murderous super-powered split personality controlled by an electrical jacket).
Wildcard sounds good to me!
Old 07-25-21 | 03:47 PM
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Checked out the new Vinegar Syndrome box set of Scanner Cop 1 and 2. The first was fun, but the acting and production values were just a notch above the Sci Fi channel. Anybody else check these out?
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This is off-topic but are you running the Animation Challenge this year LJG?
Old 07-25-21 | 06:02 PM
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This is off-topic but are you running the Animation Challenge this year LJG?
I am. I know, I'm a little late putting up the threads. I plan to do both sometime tonight or tomorrow. July has been kicking my butt. It's been all good stuff for the most part, but I'm not sure where the time has gone!
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I'm gonna get a head start on the Animation Challenge and start watching Batman Beyond tomorrow.
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I've got a couple of animated shows I'm holding off until I can get double credit.
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Do you think the Amazon Prime movie Jolt would be a reasonable wild card? The premise sounds borderline sci-fi/fantasy (a woman with a murderous super-powered split personality controlled by an electrical jacket).
Yeah, not one of my better viewing decisions. I can usually enjoy dumb, loud action movies (like Tomorrow War, Birds of Prey, Godzilla vs Kong, Mortal Kombat) but this was so dumb it makes those movies seem like 2001. Kate Beckinsale is still cute though, and at least the movie is mercifully short (a little over 80 minutes, not counting credits). I did learn that it's really easy to get a top-level underground hacker working for you. You just go to Best Buy's Geek Squad, ask for their geekiest geek, and they take you to a hidden room in the back. Then again, I suspect that may only work for Kate Beckinsale.
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It figures. I finally decided to give Good Witch ​​​​​​a try, since I saw a marathon on Hallmark Movies & Mysteries yesterday. I actually quite enjoyed the show, but tonight was also the series finale on Hallmark. Took me many years to try out the show, and now the show is over.
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I got somewhat fed up with all the lesser modern SF I've been watching and got in some classics yesterday:

Forbidden Planet (1956), Planet of the Apes (1968), and The Day the Earth Caught Fire (1961 - this one is a new KINO BR - looks great!).

I also watched The Great Wall (2016) after discovering it's a fantasy/SF movie. When I purchased it from BL I'd gone solely by the cover and thought it was some kind of Chinese historical action/drama. It's not a "great" movie but is lots of fun and very much over-the-top at times (many times).

I finished the day with my new BR of Hammer' The Lost Continent (1968). It's not a great movie but one I've always enjoyed.
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Oh, forgot to post earlier! Animation Challenge discussion thread is up here. And List thread is up here.

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It figures. I finally decided to give Good Witch ​​​​​​a try, since I saw a marathon on Hallmark Movies & Mysteries yesterday. I actually quite enjoyed the show, but tonight was also the series finale on Hallmark. Took me many years to try out the show, and now the show is over.
Ugh, hate when that happens!
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I can't believe that we're down to the final days of July! This month has flown by for me. I'm getting in a few last watches. I started with the MST3K version of The Magic Sword. One of my favorite episodes. I even like just the actual movie. It's so cheesy, it's good.

I also started watching a 3 movie box set. Nothing new to me, but I haven't watched these copies of them, trying to get them off my "to watch" list. The first watch is The Spiderwick Chronicles. Based off the book, which I read after the seeing the movie. I don't think the movie is that bad and I'm not sure why they didn't continue the series.

The next one is Inkheart and final one is Hugo. I don't remember Inkheart the movie, just vague remembrances that it wasn't that great. I did really like Hugo but only have seen it once, so it'll be nice to see it again. Going to try to get through both tonight, but at least one of them.

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Finally had a chance to see World on a Wire (Rainer Fassbinder's only sci-fi). It was much more accessible than I was expecting, and was very intelligent and ahead-of-its-time in handling its story about a computer-generated virtual world.

After reading online comments about The City of Lost Children (a movie I just rewatched), I see that Jean-Pierre Jeunet has an android apocalypse comedy called Big Bug that's supposed to premiere on Netflix later in 2021. I hope that means US Netflix, and isn't one of those deals where movies aren't available equally in all countries.
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Finally had a chance to see World on a Wire (Rainer Fassbinder's only sci-fi). It was much more accessible than I was expecting, and was very intelligent and ahead-of-its-time in handling its story about a computer-generated virtual world.
I watched World on a Wire last year and loved it. Thematically, it's a "What is a human?" story. Those can quickly become obvious and predictable. What made this one work so well for me was that it was built into a straight up thriller that would have been engaging even without that big picture conversation. Yet, the idea was central and never felt like a mere afterthought. Highly recommended for fans of mysteries.

As for Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn), I was roundly disappointed when I watched it last year. My chief criticisms were:
  • The pervasive language and violence feels like a child's idea of maturity, and it's hard to take seriously.
  • Nearly all characters are given so little screen time for development that they don't even constitute characters with arcs of their own.
  • Gotham City is just a generic metropolitan setting that feels more like a place where they'd hold a convention of Harley Quinn cosplayers than a place where a character like Harley Quinn would actually be.
  • Far too many action sequences are shot so statically and edited so slowly that the choreography is far too blatant. We can practically count along with each stunt performer timing when to throw their punch or take their fall, etc.
  • For all its talk about Harley working through the trauma and abuse of her relationship with the Joker, in the end it can't escape the feeling that it's really a Harley movie that didn't spend the money to cast a Joker. It feels like avoidance masquerading as healing.
I wanted to like it, I really did. Margot Robbie and Ewan McGregor gave game performances, and I did like seeing them in their few scenes together.
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I started to go through the Alien series, got sidetracked, and came back to it last night. I'd previously seen the first two movies, but I couldn't say which cut of either I saw. Co-creator/co-writer Dan O'Bannon had Crohn's, and I am certain that the first movie is just one big allegory about that experience. Got everyone moving through the bowels of the ship, finding areas that are blocked off and damaged; a dude left by himself in a hospital bed before a Xenomorph bursts through his chest; and the company more interested in "research" than in keeping anyone alive. Yeah, O'Bannon was working through some stuff when he worked on that screenplay.

Cameron's sequel was more gratifying in a lot of ways, chiefly how human Ripley got to be. She's not yet cemented as an unstoppable badass. She's someone who's gone through something horrifying and is just trying to salvage as much of her own humanity as she can, and wants to help others salvage theirs, too. Her relationship with Newt is genuinely touching at times, and it's nice to see that we can, in fact, have those kinds of relationships even in an action/horror/sci-fi story.

I'd been warned Alien³ was a dismal disappointment and man, oh, man was it. It's basically the Anti-Aliens, running as far as possible in the exact opposite direction. This Ripley goes from attending a funeral for someone she had loved straight into hooking up with the prison doctor with nary another word to suggest she's even remotely bothered by her latest loss. She's not even concerned about stopping the Xenomorph this time to save anyone so much as it is just out of spite for the company. It's a complete betrayal of the Ripley character and I hated it.

Alien Resurrection is inherently flawed, given its starting point but I'm willing to play along. There are some fantastic set pieces (the underwater sequence and the room with the clones), and I'm a sucker for Winona Ryder. It's not on the same tier as the first two, but considerably closer than its immediate predecessor.


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