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Old 08-13-14 | 03:58 PM
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Put 'em back! Put 'em back!
I second that. I didn't say they weren't, I was merely asking a question.
Old 08-13-14 | 06:33 PM
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I took all my stuff off the list in case it wasn't in the "spirit of the challenge" anymore. Doesn't mean I'm still not watching that stuff.
Feel free to put them back as long as you think they meet the spirit of the challenge. I went to look at the list and couldn't find it so you must have been quicker than me so I didn't see the titles. But like I said earlier, puppetry and stop motion is allowed, so you might as well count them!

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First, if you haven't already, head to YouTube and watch the "How It Should Have Ended" version of Frozen. Hilarious!

Second,
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most speculation and editorialising - based on what is shown to great degree, but also extrapolated - is that the parents thought they'd sequester her briefly to help her gain some level of control, training or suppression. But she, being terrified that she might hurt her sister, went that step further and locked herself in her room out of fear and worry.

What I wonder is whether Hans is always as nasty as he turns out, or whether his "change" is due to the Trolls' "that's a minor thing/her quote "engagement" is a flex arrangement.." meddling to get her with Kristoff...!
I have not seen that video-I'll have to go look in a minute.

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I hadn't thought of that, that she did it to herself, but I do think the parents got her thinking that and supported that decision. When they accuse her when they find her with Anna in the room where she fell. I can't remember what exactly, but they say something pretty damning with the trolls too. I just don't see them encouraging her to expand her horizons. And, she's like what 8-10 in the beginning? If they truely didn't mean for her to become a hermit, as parents they could force her into situations that made her use her abilities/have practice holding in her emotions. Plus, looking at it from a political view, they knew she was going to be Queen, so they had a responsibility to the kingdom to make her as strong as she could be, not scared to have any contact with her subjects. So, I think it was a pretty viscous loop. Her parents started it and when they died, she didn't know of any other way, so she continued with the isolationist tendencies and it backfired.


P.S. Saw the video, perfect and funny!
Old 08-13-14 | 08:03 PM
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I took all my stuff off the list in case it wasn't in the "spirit of the challenge" anymore. Doesn't mean I'm still not watching that stuff.
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Feel free to put them back as long as you think they meet the spirit of the challenge. I went to look at the list and couldn't find it so you must have been quicker than me so I didn't see the titles. But like I said earlier, puppetry and stop motion is allowed, so you might as well count them!
And just in case you don't know (or remember) the "easy" way...

Go to your list and click the "Last edited by xxxx" link at the bottom left of your post to see all your revisions. Select a "new" one and a "old" one, click "Compare Versions" the differences are highlighted in a editor type box. You then just copy the code you need, edit your list, and paste it back in.
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Feel free to put them back as long as you think they meet the spirit of the challenge. I went to look at the list and couldn't find it so you must have been quicker than me so I didn't see the titles. But like I said earlier, puppetry and stop motion is allowed, so you might as well count them!
I did it about a week ago

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Completely forgot about that. Thanks!
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I finally figured out what I want to focus most of my watching on. While I'll be taking breaks with some variety now and then, I'd like to finish "Superman: The Animated Series" and Season 2 of "Gargoyles" this month.
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Couldn't sleep, so I've been streaming some more of The Transformers. "Atlantis, Arise!" is completely down the rabbit hole. Autobots go surfing in vehicle mode; Megatron drives Atlantis to Washington, D.C.; Sub-Atlanteans walk around the surface without any problem or aid; it's just off the wall wild. One little moment that stood out: Megatron removing Abraham Lincoln from his Memorial and taking his throne, which was repeated in the movie, Transformers: Dark of the Moon.

Oh, and this episode features Autobots and Dinobots playing football, so there's that, too.
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Done with The Animaniacs (surely a good candidate for best animated American series ever, despite some occasional rocky segments) in a very bittersweet final episode - a "Scoring Session" featuring the entire extended cast scoring their own cartoons, followed by a well-scored "Highlights" of all 99 episodes, and then a brief title card saying 'Thanks' to everyone involved.

Particular highlights - other than 90% of the songs, and probably half of all the segments - include a "Chicken Boo" segment where Boo becomes the 'Boy Wonder' to Batman.... voiced by Adam West!
Old 08-15-14 | 02:28 PM
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I hadn't thought of that, that she did it to herself, but I do think the parents got her thinking that and supported that decision. When they accuse her when they find her with Anna in the room where she fell. I can't remember what exactly, but they say something pretty damning with the trolls too. I just don't see them encouraging her to expand her horizons. And, she's like what 8-10 in the beginning? If they truely didn't mean for her to become a hermit, as parents they could force her into situations that made her use her abilities/have practice holding in her emotions. Plus, looking at it from a political view, they knew she was going to be Queen, so they had a responsibility to the kingdom to make her as strong as she could be, not scared to have any contact with her subjects. So, I think it was a pretty viscous loop. Her parents started it and when they died, she didn't know of any other way, so she continued with the isolationist tendencies and it backfired.


P.S. Saw the video, perfect and funny!
Isn't it, though?!

Spoiler:
The parents don't help much, certainly, but I'm not sure what more they could necessarily have done...

BALLROOM: They say, what, "Elsa, what have you done? This is getting out of hand," I think? Which is a fairly reasonable response to a middle-of-the-night call to a possibly-dead-daughter and completely iced-over room... and maybe castle! (Better question: It's the middle of the night - Why are they in full dress?! Were they summonsed away from an important meeting or party? Clearly this is not the first time, and presumably they're wary of (her) magic. Not least because of the last-minute excision of a whole "Prophecy" section of the film which may have had them worried as soon as they realised her powers.

TROLLS: I don't recall them saying anything bad... the King talks, says "Do what you must," (fine) Troll takes memories, Elsa says "But she won't remember I have powers?" King "It's for the best." (Possibly). Then there's the fairly accurate "fear will be your enemy" (see HISHE ), and the faintly-irresponsible scary Troll imagery, and then the King says...

"No. We’ll protect her. She can learn to control it. I'm sure. Until then, we'll lock the gates. We'll reduce the staff. We will limit her contact with people and keep her powers hidden from everyone... including Anna."

Which... well, maybe.* But if you consider the prophecy (broadly: Sometime the land will be cursed with ice and snow; you'll need to kill it) or even just the political implications/ramifications if someone important gets scared/hurt, it's reasonable enough. Lock, reduce, limit until she can control it.

But, she doesn't.

EXPANDED HORIZONS: I could see them trying to draw her out. Maybe succeeding occasionally, but then her icing up and panicking. She's still icing over just practicing for the Coronation. That sort of panic would NOT react well to being "forced" into situations requiring control. I think she is about 8, so before long she'll be heading into the terrible range of emotional turmoil that's difficult enough without powers!

POLITICS: They die when she's... 19, I think? I imagine if they were alive when she reached the right age she WOULD have been required to be more hands-on and involved, which could or could not have gone well...

But, yes. The HISHE video really captures the "bad parents" aspect of it all!


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N.B. The script here says:

Elsa gasps and buries her face in the King’s chest. The King wraps his arms around Elsa, protectively.

KING: No. We’ll protect her. She can learn to control it. I’m sure.
The King's reaction to the "fear" warning is to instinctively protect his daughter from what might happen if - to his interpretation of it - people find out she has powers. Hence, sequestering her.

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I finally figured out what I want to focus most of my watching on. While I'll be taking breaks with some variety now and then, I'd like to finish "Superman: The Animated Series" and Season 2 of "Gargoyles" this month.
We're trying to go through Superman, too, but after watching Batman: TAS last month, it isn't holding her attention as well as it might otherwise...
Old 08-15-14 | 04:22 PM
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We're trying to go through Superman, too, but after watching Batman: TAS last month, it isn't holding her attention as well as it might otherwise...
I've got Side B Disc 2 to finish Season 1. It helps that the seasons aren't terribly long.

My depression has hit hard the past few days, so been having trouble marathoning episodes. Haven't even been in the mood for cartoon comedy.
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I just learned yesterday that Disney XD cable channel is running English-dubbed episodes of "Doraemon," the longest running anime series ever (on the air in one form or another since 1973) and the first time any English-language version has appeared in the U.S. It's the one about the robot cat from the future who helps out a hapless Tokyo school boy named Nobita (Nobi in the dub) using gadgets from some kind of limitless pocket he has. Each half-hour consists of two 15-minute segments. So I watched one today. The first segment was about a gadget that turned Nobi's house into an M.C. Escher-type maze that traps both Nobi and Doraemon and eventually Nobi's mother, too. The second story was about how neighbor girl Sue (Shizuka in the original) has her worst birthday ever until Doraemon and Nobi go back in time and change what happens to her.

Amusing stuff. I've only previously seen some of the Doraemon movies, but only in Japanese with no subs. The best was "Nobita's Little Star Wars" (1985) which is about what happens when Nobita and his friends help a little alien who's the object of a manhunt by other aliens who all invade Nobita's neighborhood.

In this one, translated as WHAT AM I FOR, MOMOTARO? (1981), the gang goes back to Old Japan to recreate the Momotaro legend.
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I just finished Season 1 of Superman: The Animated Series. I'd say the highlight of the season was the introduction of Darkseid. Probably going to put Superman on the back burner to focus on Gargoyles, as since I have Season 2 Volume 2 of Garoyles coming, I'd love to see the world tour episodes this month.
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I just finished Season 1 of Superman: The Animated Series. I'd say the highlight of the season was the introduction of Darkseid.
I was very surprised and impressed that he appears, and is very obviously there, but then just lurks off-screen for the next [however long], rather than immediately being the main villain of the very next episode. I like that restraint.

We watched Justice League: Doom a very good (loose) adaptation of Mark Waid's JLA "Tower of Babel" arc wherein a villain steals Batman's 'Incapacitate the JLA' plans and puts them into action. It's not perfect, but there are some very good character moments (GL sympathises with the need, but not with how it is revealed; Flash seems very hurt; Superman and Batman have one of the best moments in any DCU adaptation at the end of the episode) and I like that Vandal Savage is in it.

Teen Titans: Trouble in Tokyo is as odd as any of those really-really-strange TT cartoons that can't quite decide what they are or want to be. And Superman vs. The Elite is... not bad. It's a good ethical question, but because it's all about morals and ethics, it really irks me that it says "based on the comics by Joe Kelly" and not "based on the comics by Joe Kelly, which was wholly based on THE AUTHORITY comics by Warren Ellis"... The ending is fairly epic, if (hopefully) obvious.
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I've been catching up on my voluminous pile of unwatched TVonDVD seasons rather than focus on animation this year. But guilt finally crept in so I put in a recently purchased copy of The Adventures of Batman from the late 60s. I watched the first disc (of 2) and thought it was actually pretty good for what it is. Kasey Casem is the voice of Robin and most of the time he doesn't sound like Shaggy (the character I *always* think of when I hear his voice) and frequently sounds a bit like Burt Ward of the live action show. It also uses a announcer like in the TV show to describe things when going to a new scene.

Doing a marathon viewing became a bit numbing though as many of the music cues are frequently repeated and start to *really* get old after a bit. The method of getting from scene to scene also started to wear a bit thin after a while (a black bat doing a fly out effect to get from once scene to the next typically used to remove the need to show travel). You'd see Bruce in the Mansion talking to Dick about the Bat Signal, bat effect to Batmen & Robin in the Commisioner's office, bat effect to the villian doing their thing, bat effect to the villian in their lair, bat effect to Batman & Robin in the Batcave, etc., etc.

A couple of reviews talked fairly good but somewhat reservedly so I wasn't sure what to expect but it was fairly typical late 60s cartoon goodness. I don't think I ever watched the program when it originally aired. Normally I wasn't very keen on most of the traditional superhero cartoons as I thought they were not well done. This one first aired in a 1 hour block with Superman running opposite The Banana Splits. I *know* I watched The Banana Splits and looking at the schedule that year see that The Batman/Superman Hour ran on CBS. The local affiliate ran a "talent show" for The Mid-South Fair during the time that would have come on so there was no way I could have seen the show in the Fall. I can only surmise that during the Winter and Spring I was just too lazy to get up and change the channel as I don't recall them pre-empting cartoons then. But that's somewhat odd as I'd change the channel every half hour if I wanted to watch something else. :/ Supposedly the Batman segments were packaged as a half-hour program and ran on CBS in the Fall of 69 but I don't see them on the schedule listings.
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I finished off both The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes (52 episodes total) and Kill La Kill (24 episodes total) this weekend. I think it'll probably just be movies and shorts for the rest of the challenge. Both were good with Kill La Kill being a real treat (it's in a similar vein to Gurren Lagan) and The Avengers coming within spitting distance of JL/JLU.
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Originally Posted by ntnon
Isn't it, though?!

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The parents don't help much, certainly, but I'm not sure what more they could necessarily have done...

BALLROOM: They say, what, "Elsa, what have you done? This is getting out of hand," I think? Which is a fairly reasonable response to a middle-of-the-night call to a possibly-dead-daughter and completely iced-over room... and maybe castle! (Better question: It's the middle of the night - Why are they in full dress?! Were they summonsed away from an important meeting or party? Clearly this is not the first time, and presumably they're wary of (her) magic. Not least because of the last-minute excision of a whole "Prophecy" section of the film which may have had them worried as soon as they realised her powers.

TROLLS: I don't recall them saying anything bad... the King talks, says "Do what you must," (fine) Troll takes memories, Elsa says "But she won't remember I have powers?" King "It's for the best." (Possibly). Then there's the fairly accurate "fear will be your enemy" (see HISHE ), and the faintly-irresponsible scary Troll imagery, and then the King says...

"No. We’ll protect her. She can learn to control it. I'm sure. Until then, we'll lock the gates. We'll reduce the staff. We will limit her contact with people and keep her powers hidden from everyone... including Anna."

Which... well, maybe.* But if you consider the prophecy (broadly: Sometime the land will be cursed with ice and snow; you'll need to kill it) or even just the political implications/ramifications if someone important gets scared/hurt, it's reasonable enough. Lock, reduce, limit until she can control it.

But, she doesn't.

EXPANDED HORIZONS: I could see them trying to draw her out. Maybe succeeding occasionally, but then her icing up and panicking. She's still icing over just practicing for the Coronation. That sort of panic would NOT react well to being "forced" into situations requiring control. I think she is about 8, so before long she'll be heading into the terrible range of emotional turmoil that's difficult enough without powers!

POLITICS: They die when she's... 19, I think? I imagine if they were alive when she reached the right age she WOULD have been required to be more hands-on and involved, which could or could not have gone well...

But, yes. The HISHE video really captures the "bad parents" aspect of it all!


*
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N.B. The script here says:


The King's reaction to the "fear" warning is to instinctively protect his daughter from what might happen if - to his interpretation of it - people find out she has powers. Hence, sequestering her.
Spoiler:
I don't know, I still think that is irresponsible as a king. If you're that worried about exposing her to the population, you should be thinking of switching the girls as to who is going to be the next ruler. Elsa would have been learning from the time she could talk to rule the kingdom, not just after a certain age. By her parents giving into the fear, they are also letting her give into the fear. You mentioned she's 8, that's still at least 2-4 years before she's a teenager. Plus, you know, parents are supposed to guide their children. She's taking all her ques from them...


I'm watching "Hunchback of Notre Dame" right now. I have watched it maybe twice before, many years ago. I am so surprised that this was made by Disney and made in the way they did.
Spoiler:
The whole Frodo/Esmeralda sexy creepy thing just stands out for instance. Esmeralda's pole dance on the stage...and I haven't gotten there yet, but I do remember the fire dance as well.


I know they almost didn't get a G rating, but I'm surprised that it wasn't higher.
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I was a bit worried after Animaniacs, that Pinky and the Brain would seem a bit stretched-out, lasting for at least twice the time as the segments in its parent programme. But... a) a handful so far have been segmented, and b) the full-length episodes are still great!

Take-offs of Around the World in 80 Days and The Third Man I don't remember ever having seen (and probably wouldn't have understood), but the papier mache Earth one is as good as I remembered!

PINKY: "If I'm not back in an hour, I've probably made another huge mistake!"
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Originally Posted by BobO'Link
I've been catching up on my voluminous pile of unwatched TVonDVD seasons rather than focus on animation this year. But guilt finally crept in so I put in a recently purchased copy of The Adventures of Batman from the late 60s. I watched the first disc (of 2) and thought it was actually pretty good for what it is. Kasey Casem is the voice of Robin and most of the time he doesn't sound like Shaggy (the character I *always* think of when I hear his voice) and frequently sounds a bit like Burt Ward of the live action show. It also uses a announcer like in the TV show to describe things when going to a new scene.
We watched a Super Friends yesterday(?) that was about 75% narration..! If your cartoon is complicated enough that you have to explain everything that is happening.......
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I don't know, I still think that is irresponsible as a king. If you're that worried about exposing her to the population, you should be thinking of switching the girls as to who is going to be the next ruler. Elsa would have been learning from the time she could talk to rule the kingdom, not just after a certain age. By her parents giving into the fear, they are also letting her give into the fear. You mentioned she's 8, that's still at least 2-4 years before she's a teenager. Plus, you know, parents are supposed to guide their children. She's taking all her ques from them...
Probably. I imagine she was being tutored, though, and having limited interactions with governmental types...

Originally Posted by LJG765
I'm watching "Hunchback of Notre Dame" right now. I have watched it maybe twice before, many years ago. I am so surprised that this was made by Disney and made in the way they did.
Spoiler:
The whole Frodo/Esmeralda sexy creepy thing just stands out for instance. Esmeralda's pole dance on the stage...and I haven't gotten there yet, but I do remember the fire dance as well.


I know they almost didn't get a G rating, but I'm surprised that it wasn't higher.
I was surprised last year to see that so many of even the most recent Disney (i.e. 90s on) films were still "G". The Lion King?! Really...?
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would 'Into the Storm' or even 'Twister' be included, since all the storms are CGI creations?
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I've been streaming my way through The Transformers. I still get a kick out of the Dinobots. I've found at least two moments/ideas that were recycled later in the live action movies:

In "Atlantis, Arise!" (which is such a head trip for so many reasons I can't even bring myself to try to summarize it), Megatron throws Abraham Lincoln off his Memorial and sits on the throne himself. This is repeated in Transformers: Dark of the Moon.

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In "Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1", public sentiment turns against the Autobots, and they're banished from Earth, which they accept. It's set up and plays out differently, but this is an important plot point in Dark of the Moon. Here, it happens because Megatron uses some manipulative P.R. on a weak willed mayor and Optimus Prime decides to go back after it's discovered that their spaceship has been set on a collision course with the sun.

The other thing that stands out is how insult-laden the dialog is. Both Autobots and Decepticons talk trash at every turn, even when they're just hanging out with one another. I'd kinda noticed when I made my way through She-Ra, Princess of Power that whenever He-Man appeared, he was more prone to that kind of talk than the regular characters. But conspicuous as those incidents were, they're not even close to the concentration of insults of The Transformers.
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would 'Into the Storm' or even 'Twister' be included, since all the storms are CGI creations?
As a mod, I expect you to ban anyone that says no.
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As a mod, I expect you to ban anyone that says no.
Now if I had had the ability to change my username to CaligulatheGod (sadly already taken) ... yes banning, as well as heads and other body parts would roll left and right around here ...
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My two cents would be to count it if it feels right in your heart.
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I've been streaming my way through The Transformers. I still get a kick out of the Dinobots. I've found at least two moments/ideas that were recycled later in the live action movies:
What episode is this from?



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