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Old 08-31-13 | 01:15 PM
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Just checked my sunset time, and it said 7:50, so dusk for me is 8:20 tonight. Can't wait.
Old 08-31-13 | 01:51 PM
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While Mizoguchi is a great director, I happen to place him in the top ten of Japanese directors rather than the top five. I tend to like Mikio Naruse better and think his films about women are emotionally richer than Mizoguchi's. Mizoguchi keeps too much of an artistic distance for my tastes and can get preachy at times. I'd also put Masaki Kobayashi (THE HUMAN CONDITION) over Mizoguchi. Mizoguchi is to Ozu, Kurosawa and Naruse the way, say Elia Kazan is to John Ford, Orson Welles and Billy Wilder when it comes to my Hollywood pantheon. Great director and Kazan's best films (e.g. STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, EAST OF EDEN) are superb, but there's such a love of filmmaking that permeates every frame of Ford and Welles that even guys like Kazan and William Wyler (another great director) are overshadowed by them. In fact, for a whole set of different reasons, too complicated to go into now, I find myself thinking of Mizoguchi and Wyler as counterparts.

But Mizoguchi's films are important and all worth seeing, esp. that "Fallen Women" Eclipse set that you cite, which I watched for the 2011 Challenge. I was amazed to see so much location shooting and sync-sound recording in his 1930s movies, OSAKA ELEGY and SISTERS OF THE GION, which are, quite possibly, my favorite Mizoguchi movies.
I've never really thought of this sort of comparison between Japanese and Hollywood directors, except for the common Ford-Kurosawa comparison, but it is an interesting idea.

Naruse is my favorite Japanese director, and probably in my overall top five, if I were to make a list. I find that my favorite Mizoguchi movies like Ugetsu, Street of Shame and Osaka Elegy have an emotional impact, but others like Sansho the Bailiff and Miss Oyu seem too cool and/or abstract, so I guess that my overall assessment of his work is similar to yours.

I haven't seen anything by Masaki Kobayashi, but I plan on watching a few movies from the new Eclipse set during this challenge.
Old 08-31-13 | 02:52 PM
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Re: MILLENNIUM ACTRESS-- one of the actresses who was a partial inspiration for this film, Setsuko Hara, stars in several Japanese films by Ozu that are Criterion releases, e.g. TOKYO STORY, LATE SPRING, END OF SUMMER, etc., as well as at least one Kurosawa film, NO REGRETS FOR OUR YOUTH, all of which I'd highly recommend. Two notable contemporaries of Ms. Hara, Machiko Kyo and Hideko Takamine, are well represented in the Criterion Collection also.

When I interviewed Satoshi Kon, director of MILLENNIUM ACTRESS (and TOKYO GODFATHERS), about ten years ago, I asked him who the inspiration was for Chiyoko and here's what he said:
I had assumed that Hara was the main inspiration for Chiyoko, since the World War II element of the plot closely follows the plot of No Regrets For Our Youth, but guessed that there were other actresses that provided inspiration as well. I thought Hideko Takamine must be one of them, since she was a child star (she's in Tokyo Chorus in the Silent Ozu Eclipse set) and was one of the leading stars of that era. Unfortunately, Criterion has only released When a Woman Ascends the Stairs and the Silent Naruse set by Naruse on DVD so far.

I was disappointed that the making of featurette on the DVD didn't get into the question of movie inspirations for Millennium Actress. Thanks for the link to the interview with Satoshi Kon.
Old 08-31-13 | 04:04 PM
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Don't forget that HuluPlus offers a select assortment of Criterion titles free to stream each week!
Old 08-31-13 | 09:07 PM
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Got my horror fix by watching an non qualifying movie on Chiller before the challenge. So, I'm starting the challenge with Stagecoach on Hulu, as I renewed my Hulu Plus subscription today.
Old 08-31-13 | 10:35 PM
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Started the challenge with Brian DePalma's Blow Out. Pauline Kael and Roger Ebert raved about it at the time, and while it 's definitely a terrific thriller, it still comes off to me as ersatz Hitchcock.

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I'll have to look into Blow Out. I have Sisters on my list for this challenge.
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Starting out with Eating Raoul here; the menu insert design is great.
Old 09-01-13 | 12:53 AM
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I'm visiting my parents' at the moment, and my dad doesn't do subtitles, so we watched Alexander Mackendrick's Sweet Smell of Success (1957). This was my second viewing (I watched it for last year's Criterion challenge), and I enjoyed it even more than the first time. Since I knew what was going to happen, I was able to enjoy the cinematography (which the Criterion release rightly makes a fuss over) and the visual intricacies of the film. I was again completely enthralled with the story of these conniving, sleazy people.

Most miraculously, the film creates this New York where everyone is caught in a web of interconnections and quasi-incestuous pandering and pairing. Many of the characters (not just J.J. Hudsecker) are specters, present while not being in the room. Dallas's photo dominates a scene between Sidney and Susan; when Sidney leaves Mary's office, J.J.'s eyes are revealed to be constantly peering at his secretary; Susan's photo is always on J.J.'s desk. The characters are constantly trapped in the prison of their relationships (real and imagined), and the great irony is that J.J. can see how others are imprisoned without understanding his own trappings. The brilliant staging creates a sense of claustrophobia, not through space but through the constant crush of people (even when the room is only inhabited with a single person).

Last year, I gave the film ***1/2 stars out of for reasons that defy my understanding. The film is a spectacular masterpiece. It presents this gritty, unscrupulous world that part of me embraces and wants to inhabit - knowing that it would chew me up before breakfast. (****)
Old 09-01-13 | 05:58 AM
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I thought I would start with a title right off the shame list, Seven Samarai. Ummm, how come no one warned me it was well over 3 hours???
δ and I pooped out at the intermission slide. We'll have to finish it today. It's good though. We are both enjoying it.
Old 09-01-13 | 01:27 PM
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The first 3 movies received from the library were Gimme Shelter, M and The Hidden Fortress. I wanted to get a viewing in last night before I went to bed, so picked the shortes., Gimme Shelter. Didn't know anything about it going in, just that it was on the Rolling Stones and it was on Travis' list. I'm glad that I read the booklet before watching the movie as it helped explain a lot of what was going on. The music was nice and helped keep the pace of the movie up. I have to admit, I didn't love it, but I am glad I watched it.

Not sure what's next on the plate, but I do have a couple more that came into the library that I'm going to pick up tomorrow.
Old 09-01-13 | 01:28 PM
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I began my challenge just after midnight with Gomorrah, which is streaming free for Amazon Prime members. I made it through the movie just fine but ten minutes later, I was yawning and called it a night so I still haven't reviewed it. I've got some errands to run this afternoon so it'll have to continue to wait. I mention it now primarily so that anyone who's using Amazon Prime (even just that free 30 day trial) and wants to see it can get to it now. It's not presently streaming on HuluPlus, so this is your window of opportunity.

Also: The only Theme for which it is listed is Cuts - which is an assortment of movies where Criterion has included a lot of deleted scenes. The spirit-of-the-law-not-the-letter-of-the-law arguer in me thinks that we should only be able to count a movie for the Cuts theme if we actually watch that deleted content. As the Amazon stream is just the film, I would feel it inappropriate to mark off that theme for this movie. I know we also have a similar stipulation for the Compare and Contrast theme.
Old 09-01-13 | 01:31 PM
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Gimme Shelter. Didn't know anything about it going in, just that it was on the Rolling Stones and it was on Travis' list. I'm glad that I read the booklet before watching the movie as it helped explain a lot of what was going on. The music was nice and helped keep the pace of the movie up. I have to admit, I didn't love it, but I am glad I watched it.
The thing is, you really need to watch all the bonus content on Gimme Shelter. In my admittedly limited experience, Criterion has rarely done as superb a job supplementing the main feature with relevant content as they did with that release. It can become fatiguing, so don't rush through it all at once, but it's not until you've consumed the entire disc (including commentary!) that you truly get the full experience.

Besides, watching every part of a Criterion disc is one of the checkmarks and this is the one title where I would wholeheartedly insist is worth being that disc.
Old 09-01-13 | 03:35 PM
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The thing is, you really need to watch all the bonus content on Gimme Shelter. In my admittedly limited experience, Criterion has rarely done as superb a job supplementing the main feature with relevant content as they did with that release. It can become fatiguing, so don't rush through it all at once, but it's not until you've consumed the entire disc (including commentary!) that you truly get the full experience.

Besides, watching every part of a Criterion disc is one of the checkmarks and this is the one title where I would wholeheartedly insist is worth being that disc.
I am leaning towards this. I watched it pretty late after having a full day, so I wasn't up to watching anything other than a trailer or two. Can I assume you've also listened to the commentary? How was that?
Old 09-01-13 | 03:57 PM
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I started off the Challenge this afternoon with a blu-ray I have had lying around for about the longest of any Criterions in my backlog, Revanche. Now I wish I hadn't waited so long since this was fantastic. It was a really great take on a revenge story.
Old 09-01-13 | 07:22 PM
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I just finished watching YI YI, my first of the Challenge. It was very long, but at about ten minutes in I realized that I was gonna be okay with the length. What a great film! I'd love to give an articulate, analytical response to it, but right now I'm too overwhelmed by it to sort out my thoughts in any coherent manner.
Old 09-01-13 | 08:53 PM
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I'm out of town, but I had brought a portable DVD player and some Criterion discs to get started. However, the friend I'm staying with has a Hulu account on his laptop, so I got up early this morning and decided to lead off the challenge with something from Hulu's Criterion selection that I've never seen before and don't own: Hideo Gosha's SWORD OF THE BEAST (1965). Excellent b&w samurai adventure about a fugitive samurai, an illegal gold-mining operation, various clan dirty doings and two opposing samurai who realize they have more in common than in difference. 85 min., so it's not too long. Very intricately plotted. Shot on location in a mountain region with rocks, a stream, a rickety bridge, etc. Good stuff!


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Old 09-01-13 | 10:39 PM
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Kicked things off with Che, which was beautifully shot and expertly acted (by Del Toro), but the script falls flat as I felt it failed to say anything of substance about Che, himself. I gave a more thorough review in my list.

Much to say about others' lists, but that'll have to wait for tomorrow. The end of a holiday weekend is no time for me to stay up late writing responses.
Old 09-01-13 | 11:08 PM
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I don't know if this is something new with Hulu Plus, or just with the Criterion Movies on there, but I've watched two Criterions on Hulu so far, and neither one of them had commercial breaks.
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This morning I watch In the Mood for Love (2000) while my family was attending church. Closed all the curtains and had a nice time watching it in that “just woke up with nothing to do” euphoria. It’s the second film I’ve seen by director Wong Kar-wai. I watched Chungking Express for last year’s challenge (was surprised to see that the Criterion BD is OOP) and enjoyed it, though it was overly quirky at a time when I didn’t want quirk in my films. This film is more my speed: meditative and stylish. I’ve felt like I’m on a cloud since watching.

The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.

Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
Old 09-02-13 | 12:33 AM
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I am leaning towards this. I watched it pretty late after having a full day, so I wasn't up to watching anything other than a trailer or two. Can I assume you've also listened to the commentary? How was that?
Yeppers! Here's what I had to say last year about Gimme Shelter, which I consumed in two settings. Titles link to my Letterboxd diary entries.

Feature and Bonus Content
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My mom's brother, my Uncle Stuart, drowned as a teen a few years before I was born. Growing up, I heard often that I was a lot like him in personality and in interests. A few years ago, my grandfather cleared out a crate remaining at his house containing my uncle's record library. I didn't get the records; I'm too low on the totem pole for that. But I did go through and write down a list of every album he left behind and it's been a goal of mine to listen to all of those albums to see what I might learn about him through his taste in music.

The two bands most heavily represented in his library were The Beatles and The Rolling Stones. I've heard he loved them both, but favored the Stones. I grew up without a lot of exposure to the Stones. Mom listened to the oldies station, but in my youth they focused on the music of the 50s and early 60s. I was introduced to "Paint It, Black" in the 80s because it was used for the opening credits of the TV show, Tour of Duty. My dad, a Vietnam veteran, watched it. By then I wasn't really going for the biweekly visitations very often so even that exposure was minimal.

That's pretty much the context in which I came to this documentary, which I checked out on Criterion DVD from the Oldham County Public Library this afternoon. Directors David and Albert Maysles and Charlotte Zwern kept the narrative focused and engaging. A lot of music docs kind of meander, often unsure how to balance on-stage performance footage with behind-the-stage moments of candor. Gimme Shelter is not harangued by those uncertainties. From start to finish, this doc is concerned exclusively with the frenzy that erupted at the free show at the Altamont Speedway that culminated in the stabbing death of a concert-goer at the hands of a Hells Angel.

The editing is taut, the footage candid and Gimme Shelter never stumbles. It's one of those perfect zeitgeist works. Even without the unfortunate notoriety of the killing, the kind of access afforded the filmmakers ensured that this was going to be a fascinating look at not just a popular rock band on a hot tour, but a microcosm of the entire counterculture movement. The montage of the audience waiting for the show to begin suggests that the full footage could easily constitute an intriguing film all its own. (A woman gave birth, for crying out loud!)

I came away from Gimme Shelter with a much greater understanding of the infamous concert; prior to this, I was only peripherally aware of it. Moreover, though, I found myself wondering what my uncle would have had to say about it as someone who surely would have wanted to be in attendance himself. It's not at all the kind of scene where I ever pictured him. In my mind, he's always holed up in his bedroom either illustrating or reading something. The idea of him at an event like the Altamont concert is almost laughable...except that then I think of some of the places I've been and the things I've done and I'm reminded in a new way that he and I really are/were/would have been kindred spirits.

The Criterion Collection DVD

The film is compelling by itself, but the bonus content on the Criterion Collection DVD is top notch.

Audio Commentary
[I'll play the commentary later; as I write this, the Cincinnati Reds have just begun play for the night. As this is the only bonus feature remaining, I'll save it for later.]

1969 KSAN Radio Broadcast
Four hours of radio time on KSAN were dedicated to covering the concert, originally conceived as a tie-in to the good times. When things went south, however, the call-ins became a treasure trove of primary source recordings from firsthand witnesses and key figures from critic John Burkes to photographer Jim Marshall, and two members of the Hell's Angels. Particularly fascinating is the call from Sonny Barger, a member of the Oakland Hell's Angels, a firsthand witness and participant in some of the day's escalating skirmishes. That call is not found on the Blu-ray Disc release of the film. This is easily among the compelling bonus features in the entire Criterion library.

Outtakes (22:02)
The highlight here is a shot of Mick Jagger caught up in the energy during a recording/mixing session of "Little Queenie," absentmindedly dancing along to the music.

Images from Altamont
I'm not a big fan of stills galleries on DVDs, and I confess that while Bill Owens and Beth Sunflower snapped some great photos, I still found myself unable to really connect with their work on my TV screen the way I could in a book.

Maysles Films Trailers
The original trailers for Gimme Shelter didn't do much for me, though the re-release trailer was a bit more attention-getting. Salesman, however, really piqued my curiosity and I've added it to my ever-growing To See list. Grey Gardens seems...weird.

Filmographies
Another DVD feature I never really cared for: text pages of filmographies. Not much to say about these lists of the works of both the Maysles brothers and Charlotte Zwerin. Today, I'd just hit IMDb.

Restoration Demonstration
It isn't particularly technical, but this brief demo does a great job showcasing the before & after work of film restoration. It's the kind of thing that wouldn't make a DVD today because we've seen similar contrasts in commercials for DVD releases and theatrical re-issues often enough that Joe Sixpack gets it now: the original masters have faded and the new prints look gorgeous. Still, it's a truly impressive demo to behold and well worth the few minutes.

"The Rolling Stones, Altamont and GIMME SHELTER"
Unfortunately for me, this 44-page booklet was not available to me with the DVD I checked out from the library. However, Criterion kindly archives the essays on their website.

Gimme Shelter entered my Flickchart at #251/1414


Commentary Track and Essays
Spoiler:
I came back to this DVD early this morning for its commentary track, featuring directors Albert Maysles and Charlotte Zwerin, and collaborator Stanley Goldstein. Documentary commentaries are rare, and for good reason: anything the documentarian wishes to say ought to be in the film. The passage of time, however, invites Maysles, Zwerin and Goldstein to try to place the film in its proper context - whether as a document of the concert, of the social zeitgeist captured on film, or even the place of Gimme Shelter in the annals of documentary films.

The appeal, then, is not to glean more about the content of the film - explored in depth throughout the Criterion DVD's generous other bonus content - but in this perspective of those who made it, making sense of just what they made. Zwerin, we learn, was the one who proposed editing the film around the notorious killing. Cutting back and forth from the road to the Altamont concert to the aftermath imbues the film partly with its structure, but also with its soul. Zwerin notes that had they simply put it together as a series of chronological events, when it was over, audiences would wonder just what they'd seen. Structuring it this way, however, gives the film its dark focus. We know from the outset that we're going to bear witness to the calamity.

As commentary tracks go, this is one of the stronger ones I've heard. There aren't many lulls or ramblings. Some information is extraneous because I'd already heard about it elsewhere in the bonus content, and not every tidbit of insight is as intriguing as the rest, but on the whole I was kept engaged. It certainly added to my understanding and appreciation of the film, and that's the objective of every commentary track.

Essays
The DVD I checked out from the Oldham County Public Library is missing the 44 page booklet, but fortunately The Criterion Collection website archives the essays. Like the film and other bonus content, it runs the gamut from firsthand witness testimonials to retrospective criticism of the events and the film itself. One of my favorite passages is from Stanley Booth's essay, "Gimme Shelter: The True Adventures of Altamont" -

The violence at Altamont, being completely unexpected, came afterward to seem inevitable. The assassinations of the sixties had aged us—we who were, as the seventies dawned, still under thirty—but they had been random, isolated events that didn’t involve the rock-and-roll generation. Altamont was nothing we could shrug off, and somehow we all lacked the will to rise above it.

The other essays are well worth reading, but I think Booth's was the strongest. I was also quite partial to Georgia Bergman's "Gimme Shelter: Snapshots from the Road".
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Originally Posted by mrcellophane
This morning I watch In the Mood for Love (2000) while my family was attending church. Closed all the curtains and had a nice time watching it in that “just woke up with nothing to do” euphoria. It’s the second film I’ve seen by director Wong Kar-wai. I watched Chungking Express for last year’s challenge (was surprised to see that the Criterion BD is OOP) and enjoyed it, though it was overly quirky at a time when I didn’t want quirk in my films. This film is more my speed: meditative and stylish. I’ve felt like I’m on a cloud since watching.

The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.

Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
Although it's not a Criterion title, you should definitely check out Wong Kar Wai's Happy Together.
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While putting together my list, I remembered that Persona, my favorite Ingmar Bergman film, is not part of the Criterion Collection. Of course, I knew this, but I associate Bergman's films with Criterion. Sometimes I wish Criterion was a big bully and would beat up other distributors to take their films.
My one thought about the checklist was to put a cat among the pigeons..

Given that it's been said a number of times that Criterion is the primary challenge where it's obvious what's included and what isn't (with Oscars presumably tying it), I wonder if it wouldn't be interesting to include a wildcard or two for films that (seem like they) ought to be in the collection but aren't. So Kurosawa and Bergman films that have been passed over, or maybe Terry Gilliam's and Meaning of Life, etc., etc.
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I made a little trip to the library today. I think I'm ready to start the Criterion Challenge!

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a) I'm only allowed 4 DVDs out at a time from my local library. b) I paid to join an out-of-area library because they had a different/better selection of films, only to discover that i) they charge $1 to rent them (not free like locally) and ii) it's a five-day rental period (not seven), so that was a waste of money. c) I have never seen that many Criterions in any library system I've checked.

Enjoy!
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I decided to put off watching "M" today and watch all of "Gimme Shelter" instead. There were some good parts in there-the radio excerpts of the phone calls were nice to listen too. My one real complaint was the fading in and out of the last half of them. Sonny Barger's was the worse. It was every other word and that's the one you really wanted to listen to! I don't know if it was for swearing; I thought at first it might have been but then it continued to other calls and seemed more random. It really, really made it hard to listen through the whole call! Anyone else remember if this is on everybody's copy or just the one I got?

I asked Travis and he couldn't remember.

I also found it odd how this DVD was set up. Not really important, but it was odd. You'd watch one extra and when it would finish, it would send you back to a random menu, not the one you were on.


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