5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
#126
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Just checked my sunset time, and it said 7:50, so dusk for me is 8:20 tonight. Can't wait.
#127
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While Mizoguchi is a great director, I happen to place him in the top ten of Japanese directors rather than the top five. I tend to like Mikio Naruse better and think his films about women are emotionally richer than Mizoguchi's. Mizoguchi keeps too much of an artistic distance for my tastes and can get preachy at times. I'd also put Masaki Kobayashi (THE HUMAN CONDITION) over Mizoguchi. Mizoguchi is to Ozu, Kurosawa and Naruse the way, say Elia Kazan is to John Ford, Orson Welles and Billy Wilder when it comes to my Hollywood pantheon. Great director and Kazan's best films (e.g. STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, EAST OF EDEN) are superb, but there's such a love of filmmaking that permeates every frame of Ford and Welles that even guys like Kazan and William Wyler (another great director) are overshadowed by them. In fact, for a whole set of different reasons, too complicated to go into now, I find myself thinking of Mizoguchi and Wyler as counterparts.
But Mizoguchi's films are important and all worth seeing, esp. that "Fallen Women" Eclipse set that you cite, which I watched for the 2011 Challenge. I was amazed to see so much location shooting and sync-sound recording in his 1930s movies, OSAKA ELEGY and SISTERS OF THE GION, which are, quite possibly, my favorite Mizoguchi movies.
But Mizoguchi's films are important and all worth seeing, esp. that "Fallen Women" Eclipse set that you cite, which I watched for the 2011 Challenge. I was amazed to see so much location shooting and sync-sound recording in his 1930s movies, OSAKA ELEGY and SISTERS OF THE GION, which are, quite possibly, my favorite Mizoguchi movies.
Naruse is my favorite Japanese director, and probably in my overall top five, if I were to make a list. I find that my favorite Mizoguchi movies like Ugetsu, Street of Shame and Osaka Elegy have an emotional impact, but others like Sansho the Bailiff and Miss Oyu seem too cool and/or abstract, so I guess that my overall assessment of his work is similar to yours.
I haven't seen anything by Masaki Kobayashi, but I plan on watching a few movies from the new Eclipse set during this challenge.
#128
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Re: MILLENNIUM ACTRESS-- one of the actresses who was a partial inspiration for this film, Setsuko Hara, stars in several Japanese films by Ozu that are Criterion releases, e.g. TOKYO STORY, LATE SPRING, END OF SUMMER, etc., as well as at least one Kurosawa film, NO REGRETS FOR OUR YOUTH, all of which I'd highly recommend. Two notable contemporaries of Ms. Hara, Machiko Kyo and Hideko Takamine, are well represented in the Criterion Collection also.
When I interviewed Satoshi Kon, director of MILLENNIUM ACTRESS (and TOKYO GODFATHERS), about ten years ago, I asked him who the inspiration was for Chiyoko and here's what he said:
When I interviewed Satoshi Kon, director of MILLENNIUM ACTRESS (and TOKYO GODFATHERS), about ten years ago, I asked him who the inspiration was for Chiyoko and here's what he said:
I was disappointed that the making of featurette on the DVD didn't get into the question of movie inspirations for Millennium Actress. Thanks for the link to the interview with Satoshi Kon.
#129
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Don't forget that HuluPlus offers a select assortment of Criterion titles free to stream each week!
#130
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Got my horror fix by watching an non qualifying movie on Chiller before the challenge. So, I'm starting the challenge with Stagecoach on Hulu, as I renewed my Hulu Plus subscription today.
#131
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Started the challenge with Brian DePalma's Blow Out. Pauline Kael and Roger Ebert raved about it at the time, and while it 's definitely a terrific thriller, it still comes off to me as ersatz Hitchcock.
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#133
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Starting out with Eating Raoul here; the menu insert design is great.
#134
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I'm visiting my parents' at the moment, and my dad doesn't do subtitles, so we watched Alexander Mackendrick's Sweet Smell of Success (1957). This was my second viewing (I watched it for last year's Criterion challenge), and I enjoyed it even more than the first time. Since I knew what was going to happen, I was able to enjoy the cinematography (which the Criterion release rightly makes a fuss over) and the visual intricacies of the film. I was again completely enthralled with the story of these conniving, sleazy people.
Most miraculously, the film creates this New York where everyone is caught in a web of interconnections and quasi-incestuous pandering and pairing. Many of the characters (not just J.J. Hudsecker) are specters, present while not being in the room. Dallas's photo dominates a scene between Sidney and Susan; when Sidney leaves Mary's office, J.J.'s eyes are revealed to be constantly peering at his secretary; Susan's photo is always on J.J.'s desk. The characters are constantly trapped in the prison of their relationships (real and imagined), and the great irony is that J.J. can see how others are imprisoned without understanding his own trappings. The brilliant staging creates a sense of claustrophobia, not through space but through the constant crush of people (even when the room is only inhabited with a single person).
Last year, I gave the film ***1/2 stars out of for reasons that defy my understanding. The film is a spectacular masterpiece. It presents this gritty, unscrupulous world that part of me embraces and wants to inhabit - knowing that it would chew me up before breakfast. (****)
Most miraculously, the film creates this New York where everyone is caught in a web of interconnections and quasi-incestuous pandering and pairing. Many of the characters (not just J.J. Hudsecker) are specters, present while not being in the room. Dallas's photo dominates a scene between Sidney and Susan; when Sidney leaves Mary's office, J.J.'s eyes are revealed to be constantly peering at his secretary; Susan's photo is always on J.J.'s desk. The characters are constantly trapped in the prison of their relationships (real and imagined), and the great irony is that J.J. can see how others are imprisoned without understanding his own trappings. The brilliant staging creates a sense of claustrophobia, not through space but through the constant crush of people (even when the room is only inhabited with a single person).
Last year, I gave the film ***1/2 stars out of for reasons that defy my understanding. The film is a spectacular masterpiece. It presents this gritty, unscrupulous world that part of me embraces and wants to inhabit - knowing that it would chew me up before breakfast. (****)
#135
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I thought I would start with a title right off the shame list, Seven Samarai. Ummm, how come no one warned me it was well over 3 hours??? 
δ and I pooped out at the intermission slide. We'll have to finish it today. It's good though. We are both enjoying it.

δ and I pooped out at the intermission slide. We'll have to finish it today. It's good though. We are both enjoying it.
#136
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The first 3 movies received from the library were Gimme Shelter, M and The Hidden Fortress. I wanted to get a viewing in last night before I went to bed, so picked the shortes., Gimme Shelter. Didn't know anything about it going in, just that it was on the Rolling Stones and it was on Travis' list. I'm glad that I read the booklet before watching the movie as it helped explain a lot of what was going on. The music was nice and helped keep the pace of the movie up. I have to admit, I didn't love it, but I am glad I watched it.
Not sure what's next on the plate, but I do have a couple more that came into the library that I'm going to pick up tomorrow.
Not sure what's next on the plate, but I do have a couple more that came into the library that I'm going to pick up tomorrow.
#137
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I began my challenge just after midnight with Gomorrah, which is streaming free for Amazon Prime members. I made it through the movie just fine but ten minutes later, I was yawning and called it a night so I still haven't reviewed it. I've got some errands to run this afternoon so it'll have to continue to wait. I mention it now primarily so that anyone who's using Amazon Prime (even just that free 30 day trial) and wants to see it can get to it now. It's not presently streaming on HuluPlus, so this is your window of opportunity.
Also: The only Theme for which it is listed is Cuts - which is an assortment of movies where Criterion has included a lot of deleted scenes. The spirit-of-the-law-not-the-letter-of-the-law arguer in me thinks that we should only be able to count a movie for the Cuts theme if we actually watch that deleted content. As the Amazon stream is just the film, I would feel it inappropriate to mark off that theme for this movie. I know we also have a similar stipulation for the Compare and Contrast theme.
Also: The only Theme for which it is listed is Cuts - which is an assortment of movies where Criterion has included a lot of deleted scenes. The spirit-of-the-law-not-the-letter-of-the-law arguer in me thinks that we should only be able to count a movie for the Cuts theme if we actually watch that deleted content. As the Amazon stream is just the film, I would feel it inappropriate to mark off that theme for this movie. I know we also have a similar stipulation for the Compare and Contrast theme.
#138
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Gimme Shelter. Didn't know anything about it going in, just that it was on the Rolling Stones and it was on Travis' list. I'm glad that I read the booklet before watching the movie as it helped explain a lot of what was going on. The music was nice and helped keep the pace of the movie up. I have to admit, I didn't love it, but I am glad I watched it.
Besides, watching every part of a Criterion disc is one of the checkmarks and this is the one title where I would wholeheartedly insist is worth being that disc.
#139
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The thing is, you really need to watch all the bonus content on Gimme Shelter. In my admittedly limited experience, Criterion has rarely done as superb a job supplementing the main feature with relevant content as they did with that release. It can become fatiguing, so don't rush through it all at once, but it's not until you've consumed the entire disc (including commentary!) that you truly get the full experience.
Besides, watching every part of a Criterion disc is one of the checkmarks and this is the one title where I would wholeheartedly insist is worth being that disc.
Besides, watching every part of a Criterion disc is one of the checkmarks and this is the one title where I would wholeheartedly insist is worth being that disc.
#140
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I started off the Challenge this afternoon with a blu-ray I have had lying around for about the longest of any Criterions in my backlog, Revanche. Now I wish I hadn't waited so long since this was fantastic. It was a really great take on a revenge story.
#141
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I just finished watching YI YI, my first of the Challenge. It was very long, but at about ten minutes in I realized that I was gonna be okay with the length. What a great film! I'd love to give an articulate, analytical response to it, but right now I'm too overwhelmed by it to sort out my thoughts in any coherent manner.
#142
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I'm out of town, but I had brought a portable DVD player and some Criterion discs to get started. However, the friend I'm staying with has a Hulu account on his laptop, so I got up early this morning and decided to lead off the challenge with something from Hulu's Criterion selection that I've never seen before and don't own: Hideo Gosha's SWORD OF THE BEAST (1965). Excellent b&w samurai adventure about a fugitive samurai, an illegal gold-mining operation, various clan dirty doings and two opposing samurai who realize they have more in common than in difference. 85 min., so it's not too long. Very intricately plotted. Shot on location in a mountain region with rocks, a stream, a rickety bridge, etc. Good stuff!
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#143
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Kicked things off with Che, which was beautifully shot and expertly acted (by Del Toro), but the script falls flat as I felt it failed to say anything of substance about Che, himself. I gave a more thorough review in my list.
Much to say about others' lists, but that'll have to wait for tomorrow. The end of a holiday weekend is no time for me to stay up late writing responses.
Much to say about others' lists, but that'll have to wait for tomorrow. The end of a holiday weekend is no time for me to stay up late writing responses.
#144
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I don't know if this is something new with Hulu Plus, or just with the Criterion Movies on there, but I've watched two Criterions on Hulu so far, and neither one of them had commercial breaks.
#145
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This morning I watch In the Mood for Love (2000) while my family was attending church. Closed all the curtains and had a nice time watching it in that “just woke up with nothing to do” euphoria. It’s the second film I’ve seen by director Wong Kar-wai. I watched Chungking Express for last year’s challenge (was surprised to see that the Criterion BD is OOP) and enjoyed it, though it was overly quirky at a time when I didn’t want quirk in my films. This film is more my speed: meditative and stylish. I’ve felt like I’m on a cloud since watching.
The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.
Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.
Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
#146
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This morning I watch In the Mood for Love (2000) while my family was attending church. Closed all the curtains and had a nice time watching it in that “just woke up with nothing to do” euphoria. It’s the second film I’ve seen by director Wong Kar-wai. I watched Chungking Express for last year’s challenge (was surprised to see that the Criterion BD is OOP) and enjoyed it, though it was overly quirky at a time when I didn’t want quirk in my films. This film is more my speed: meditative and stylish. I’ve felt like I’m on a cloud since watching.
The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.
Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.
Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
#148
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While putting together my list, I remembered that Persona, my favorite Ingmar Bergman film, is not part of the Criterion Collection. Of course, I knew this, but I associate Bergman's films with Criterion. Sometimes I wish Criterion was a big bully and would beat up other distributors to take their films. 


Given that it's been said a number of times that Criterion is the primary challenge where it's obvious what's included and what isn't (with Oscars presumably tying it), I wonder if it wouldn't be interesting to include a wildcard or two for films that (seem like they) ought to be in the collection but aren't. So Kurosawa and Bergman films that have been passed over, or maybe Terry Gilliam's and Meaning of Life, etc., etc.
#149
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a) I'm only allowed 4 DVDs out at a time from my local library. b) I paid to join an out-of-area library because they had a different/better selection of films, only to discover that i) they charge $1 to rent them (not free like locally) and ii) it's a five-day rental period (not seven), so that was a waste of money. c) I have never seen that many Criterions in any library system I've checked.
Enjoy!
#150
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I decided to put off watching "M" today and watch all of "Gimme Shelter" instead. There were some good parts in there-the radio excerpts of the phone calls were nice to listen too. My one real complaint was the fading in and out of the last half of them. Sonny Barger's was the worse. It was every other word and that's the one you really wanted to listen to! I don't know if it was for swearing; I thought at first it might have been but then it continued to other calls and seemed more random. It really, really made it hard to listen through the whole call! Anyone else remember if this is on everybody's copy or just the one I got?
I asked Travis and he couldn't remember.
I also found it odd how this DVD was set up. Not really important, but it was odd. You'd watch one extra and when it would finish, it would send you back to a random menu, not the one you were on.
I asked Travis and he couldn't remember.
I also found it odd how this DVD was set up. Not really important, but it was odd. You'd watch one extra and when it would finish, it would send you back to a random menu, not the one you were on.



