Go Back  DVD Talk Forum > DVD Discussions > DVD Talk
Reload this Page >

5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Community
Search
DVD Talk Talk about DVDs and Movies on DVD including Covers and Cases

5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-02-13 | 07:21 PM
  #176  
LJG765's Avatar
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,127
Received 174 Likes on 127 Posts
From: Wisconsin
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

I'm with BobO'Link, I'd say about 95% of my watches are alone. Not many people I know watch as many movies as I do, for one, and for another, they have a lot different tastes-mainly action/adventure/explode 'em all's only. I like those films, don't get me wrong, but I also watch a lot of sci fi/fantasy, animation, TV, foreign films... most of those hold no interest (especially the foreign ones-subtitles, ew!).

I watch M today. I did like this one. I'm going to put most of the review into a spoiler so I don't have to watch what I say, though...

Spoiler:
Here are the things I've noticed: There's no music at all throughout the entire movie. There is whistling, but that is definitely used sparingly to ID the killer. Sound is used sparingly as well. This was Fritz Lang's first talking film. He was interviewed and in an excerpt of that is in the booklet that comes with this, he talks a bit about it and how he did that on purpose.

Sometimes this is done well, and others, there's just silence for several minutes and you wonder if the sound was turned off accidentally.He really doesn't use background noise at all, and the silence this creates is almost jarring. It does add to the starkness of the film.

Another thing I noticed was during the scene where it goes back and forth between the crooks and the cops trying to figure out how to find the murderer. There is so much smoke that at times, you can't see people's faces. I know that it's probably more noticeable today than it was then because of how smoking is becoming taboo. I just thought it odd that you'd want to cover your actors' faces so much.

This is just a note on continuity: The "M" on Beckert's shoulder disappears after he's taken from the office building. It's there during the office scene, but gone once he's in the abandoned building being "tried."

Overall, I did enjoy this film. I kind of wish I had access to the BR version as it has the shorter 90 min. film on it. I think the parts where I felt the story line were dragging would be trimmed down and make for a slightly faster paced movie.


I do have a question about subtitles. First, I want to say, I am all for them. I prefer to watch a movie with them then with a dub. However, for M, I kind of wish there was a dub (I think I read there was an English one, but it was lost?) available. The speaking is fast and the subtitles fade quickly. This isn't a problem reading-wise, I'm not missing words, but when I want to watch what is going on on the screen, it makes it hard to focus on it. You're concentration is on the words, not the actions. Anyone else run into this?
Old 09-02-13 | 07:50 PM
  #177  
CardiffGiant's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 755
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Also: The only Theme for which it is listed is Cuts - which is an assortment of movies where Criterion has included a lot of deleted scenes. The spirit-of-the-law-not-the-letter-of-the-law arguer in me thinks that we should only be able to count a movie for the Cuts theme if we actually watch that deleted content. As the Amazon stream is just the film, I would feel it inappropriate to mark off that theme for this movie. I know we also have a similar stipulation for the Compare and Contrast theme.
Probably. For Che, I listed both of the film's "themes," but I probably shouldn't mark off Cuts! since I don't have access to (didn't watch) the deleted scenes. I'm a big proponent of self-policing when it comes to challenges.

Originally Posted by malazar
I started off the Challenge this afternoon with a blu-ray I have had lying around for about the longest of any Criterions in my backlog, Revanche. Now I wish I hadn't waited so long since this was fantastic. It was a really great take on a revenge story.
It really is. If I had to pick the most underrated film I've seen in the collection, it would probably be Revanche. I was completely surprised about that hidden gem.

Originally Posted by rbrown498
I just finished watching YI YI, my first of the Challenge. It was very long, but at about ten minutes in I realized that I was gonna be okay with the length. What a great film! I'd love to give an articulate, analytical response to it, but right now I'm too overwhelmed by it to sort out my thoughts in any coherent manner.
Sitting in my unwatched pile. I really hope I get to this one during this challenge.

Originally Posted by shadokitty
I don't know if this is something new with Hulu Plus, or just with the Criterion Movies on there, but I've watched two Criterions on Hulu so far, and neither one of them had commercial breaks.
I think that Criterion films are the only films/shows presented commercial-free. IIRC, that was one of the deals with them moving to Hulu.
Old 09-02-13 | 07:58 PM
  #178  
malazar's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Aug 2002
Posts: 590
Received 12 Likes on 4 Posts
From: Philadelphia
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

I just finished watching my fourth film of the challenge, The Face of Another. Had I given this any planning, I would have probably not watched the prior two films in the Teshigahara boxset previously and could have used this as my boxset. Oh well, that can't be helped now. All three were fantastic and are on Hulu Plus for anyone who hasn't seen them and has access to that service.

People taking on another face or persona after being disfigured is a fairly common theme, but this was probably my favorite use of that idea. It brings up a lot of questions about one's identity and how one's personality and behavior can be changed by physical changes in appearance. I won't go into spoilers, but it is a great character study of how all this affects the main character.
Old 09-02-13 | 08:28 PM
  #179  
CardiffGiant's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 755
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Yeppers! Here's what I had to say last year about Gimme Shelter, which I consumed in two settings. Titles link to my Letterboxd diary entries.

Feature and Bonus Content


Commentary Track and Essays
You really know how to review something. The way you mix the personal with the analytical is something to strive for.

Originally Posted by mrcellophane
This morning I watch In the Mood for Love (2000) while my family was attending church. Closed all the curtains and had a nice time watching it in that “just woke up with nothing to do” euphoria. It’s the second film I’ve seen by director Wong Kar-wai. I watched Chungking Express for last year’s challenge (was surprised to see that the Criterion BD is OOP) and enjoyed it, though it was overly quirky at a time when I didn’t want quirk in my films. This film is more my speed: meditative and stylish. I’ve felt like I’m on a cloud since watching.

The film presents such a compelling sense of romance and intimacy. Much of the information about the film’s characters and their relationships remains largely unspoken. The sets and costumes are stunningly beautiful. As with Sweet Smell of Success, I wanted to live in the world the film presents, and I would survive much better in it. The central characters actions and reactions reminded me of the myself in college when I would fall into a deep, unspoken love for another guy. There is a scene where Maggie Cheung Man-yuk silently weeps, and I found myself weeping with her.

Several reviewers on Amazon insisted that the deleted scenes ruin the experience of the film. However, I found it really interesting to see how the film could have developed into something completely different in both story and sensibility. I will say that I cannot imagine working with Wong Kar-Wai who apparently often shoots without a formalized script and does not seem to articulate what he wants to the actors. That work ethic and style must create a lot of frustration. However, the end product is definitely brilliant. Based on my reaction to the film, I’ve already ordered a couple of his other films from my local library.
I've thought about rewatching In the Mood for Love, a title which I liked, but I actually preferred Chungking Express. Every few months I have to revisit that song from In the Mood for Love. Intoxicating.

Originally Posted by ntnon
For those with Amazon Prime, I offer this list of films I've just created for myself of applicable titles:

Blood for Dracula
Flesh for Frankenstein

The Killing
Quadrophenia
Pulp Fiction
My Man Godfrey
Dr. Strangelove
Certified Copy
Citizen Kane
Spinal Tap
Things to Come
A Canterbury Tale
[Powell/Pressburger]
Une Femme est Une Femme
Decameron
Canterbury Tales
[Pasolini]
Tiny Furniture
Emperor Jones
Casablanca
Cul-de-Sac
Che 1
Che 2
Night Train to Munich
Crumb
Days of Heaven


Singin' in the Rain remains to my mind one of the best films ever made. It rings true, it has superb performances in all the main (and supporting roles), there are good songs well-used, phenomenal dance numbers and a surprisingly realistic and touching love story at the centre of it all.
Thanks for the list. I'll add to the main post later this evening.

As a general rule, I dislike musicals. For me, Singin' in the Rain transcends any of that criticism. A great film about film.

Originally Posted by ntnon
FOLLOW-UP:


From Criterion's news page: "Ingmar Bergman’s masterpiece Persona has just joined our ever expanding Hulu channel..."
Wow! I hope they secured the rights to that box set. I have the set, but I'd love the Criterion treatment. Passion of Anna and Shame are also great pieces in the set.

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
I need to see IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE again. Not sure whether that's my favorite Wong Kar Wai film or ASHES OF TIME. I'd need to see both again.

As for your comment about wanting to live in the world the film represents, I daresay that Manhattan in 1957 (SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS) was a much easier place to live in, J.J. Hunsecker notwithstanding, than Hong Kong in 1962 (IN THE MOOD FOR LOVE). A young person just arriving in New York could much more easily get a cheap apartment --even near Times Square--than they could in Hong Kong at the time. Of course, the idea of doubling up in a cramped apartment with Maggie Cheung (or Tony Leung, if you'd prefer) could be very appealing.
These types of observations make me love this challenge. I feel this way about Chungking Express...it's a world so foreign to me that I want to know more about it. Wong Kar Wai really transports you to a time in place in his films, which is one of my favorite aspects of film, in general.
Old 09-02-13 | 08:42 PM
  #180  
CardiffGiant's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 755
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by popcorn
Not trying to hijack the thread but I have a question: do you watch your films alone or with others? I just watched one of the Ozu's Tokyo Chorus and my family was really distracting. They don't do well with silent films. Now I'm watching Slacker in my room... alone. Just wondering if others deal with similar situations.
Originally Posted by mrcellophane
Quite honestly, with the exception of my weekly movie night with select friends, I prefer to watch films alone. I have found that most people I know do not have the attention span for the types of films I enjoy. This is not always the case, but more often than not I watch films with only the cats.
Originally Posted by Travis McClain
If I can help it, I never watch a film for the first time with more than one other person. It pains me when I see someone on Facebook announce they're going to finally watch a movie for the first time and then ten minutes later they're posting status updates about how interesting/boring/whatever it is. Such people are certain they're processing everything just fine, but I cannot believe it. I don't agree with David Fincher about the size of a screen ruining a viewer's ability to absorb a film, but I do believe that divided attention does ruin it - regardless of screen size. An attentive viewer watching on a phone is going to glean more than someone in a movie theater paying more attention to concessions and chatting with their buddies.

I've also found since I began my foray into The Criterion Collection (and from there, silent films, foreign flicks, art house fare and the like in general) that I focus better and enjoy them more later at night. I don't generally do well with daytime viewings. It's a psychological barrier of some kind, I think.
I don't think we are really derailing the thread. It's an interesting question, with even more interesting responses. I wonder if physical media and home theater setups has shifted what was once a communal experience into an individual one. My wife and I watch a lot of TV shows together and we generally have the same taste in film, but Bergman, Fellini, and Godard are a bit of a stretch in the art house direction for her and I fade away from many romantic comedies and quirky dramas that she's able to enjoy.

I can remember with great clarity the time of day that I have seen many films that I loved. Work and personal life means that I usually end up watching a film either in the middle of the day or late at night. I don't necessarily have a preference, either works for me...it's more a difficulty of finding a 2-hour stretch of time for uninterrupted viewing.
Old 09-02-13 | 09:41 PM
  #181  
Travis McClain's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 7,798
Received 209 Likes on 135 Posts
From: Western Hemisphere
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by BobO'Link
Alone 95% of the time. [snip] [My grandson] accounts for most of that 5%.
You probably already know this, but that 5% is huge to him. I'm glad you're both able to share and enjoy that.

Originally Posted by LJG765
There's no music at all throughout the entire movie [M].
Last October, my friends and I went to see a double feature of Frankenstein (1931) and Bride of Frankenstein (1935). During the intermission, we talked about how the only music in Frankenstein was over the opening credits. They were aware there wasn't much music, but hadn't quite realized that it was so absolute. When Bride was over, we chatted about how that single double feature of two films only four years apart represented such a perfect microcosm of the evolution of film-making. Pretty striking, really!

...I'm not missing words, but when I want to watch what is going on on the screen, it makes it hard to focus on it. You're concentration is on the words, not the actions. Anyone else run into this?
I find that the more subbed movies I watch at a time, the better I get about processing both text and screen imagery. Yesterday, I hung out with a friend who had never seen Amelie. It was her first foreign film ever, so she felt that she missed quite a lot by either losing too much time to reading the subtitles or being so caught up studying what was on the screen that she forgot to read them in time.

I distinctly remember in 2010, when I watched Smiles of a Summer Night for this challenge, at one point I had to pause it for one of my ubiquitous bathroom breaks. It wasn't until I returned and resumed the movie that I even registered that it was subtitled, because I had already acclimated so well to the format.

Originally Posted by malazar
I just finished watching my fourth film of the challenge, The Face of Another. Had I given this any planning, I would have probably not watched the prior two films in the Teshigahara boxset previously and could have used this as my boxset. Oh well, that can't be helped now.
There's absolutely no reason you can't still watch the rest of that and count it as your box set. You're under no obligation to watch a box set in any specific order!

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
You really know how to review something. The way you mix the personal with the analytical is something to strive for.
Thanks! In truth, that was something I learned from Roger Ebert. He argued that it was the personal side of reviewing that gave it its humanity, and therefore its meaning. I'm pretty comfortable weaving between the personal to the academic by now.

(It's on my wish list to one day get to pen an essay for Criterion.)
Old 09-02-13 | 10:19 PM
  #182  
LJG765's Avatar
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,127
Received 174 Likes on 127 Posts
From: Wisconsin
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
I find that the more subbed movies I watch at a time, the better I get about processing both text and screen imagery. Yesterday, I hung out with a friend who had never seen Amelie. It was her first foreign film ever, so she felt that she missed quite a lot by either losing too much time to reading the subtitles or being so caught up studying what was on the screen that she forgot to read them in time.

I distinctly remember in 2010, when I watched Smiles of a Summer Night for this challenge, at one point I had to pause it for one of my ubiquitous bathroom breaks. It wasn't until I returned and resumed the movie that I even registered that it was subtitled, because I had already acclimated so well to the format.
I'd normally agree, but I think that this one just really wasn't paced well, subtitle wise. Maybe I just haven't watched a fast paced dialogued movie with subtitles. Up until this movie, I'd say I was pretty good at following both the subtitles and the actual movie. I'm a fast reader, so I never really had problems keeping up with them. But this one just didn't have time to flick your eyes up from the bottom of the screen. I know I reversed twice to catch dialogue because I took my eyes of the subtitles to actually see the picture. And I never do that!

But, Travis, I've said this before, I think your reviews are very well done and I really enjoy reading them. I might not always agree, but I always think about what you've written!
Old 09-03-13 | 12:32 AM
  #183  
rbrown498's Avatar
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 5,413
Received 542 Likes on 368 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
If I had to pick the most underrated film I've seen in the collection, it would probably be Revanche. I was completely surprised about that hidden gem.
I just finished watching Revanche, and I have to agree that it's both underrated and a welcome addition to the revenge film genre. It's a very sensual film as well, and the sound design was absolutely top-notch.

It actually makes a pretty good double-feature with the first film I watched for the Challenge, Yi Yi, in that they're both meditations on what it means to be human.

On a purely aesthetic note, I don't think that I'm going to see a finer final shot this challenge than that of Revanche (even with The 400 Blows on my "to be watched" list).
Old 09-03-13 | 12:52 AM
  #184  
Mondo Kane's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 11,990
Received 258 Likes on 207 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

I'll also echo the Revanche love. Blown away by that one.
Old 09-03-13 | 02:10 AM
  #185  
mrcellophane's Avatar
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,766
Received 105 Likes on 66 Posts
From: Norman, OK
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by LJG765
II watch M today. I did like this one. I'm going to put most of the review into a spoiler so I don't have to watch what I say, though...
I love that film and have watched it many times. The last time was for a film class for which I was substituting. The students (upper-level undergrads) seemed to really enjoy it despite the b&w and subtitles. One of my favorite aspects of the film is how Lang frames faces and body types. He often shots the police detective with low angles that make him both comical and domineering. Never noticed the issue with the subtitles. However, I'm seen it a number of times so I probably only glance at them now.

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
I've thought about rewatching In the Mood for Love, a title which I liked, but I actually preferred Chungking Express. Every few months I have to revisit that song from In the Mood for Love. Intoxicating.
The music is great. I'm assuming you are referring to "Yumeji's Theme" which plays during key scenes. Absolutely wonderful use of music - it put me in mind of several character themes from The Royal Tenenbaums.

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
Wow! I hope they secured the rights to that box set. I have the set, but I'd love the Criterion treatment. Passion of Anna and Shame are also great pieces in the set.
God, I hope so. The Passion of Anna is one of the most haunting films I've ever seen.

Also, ditto what everyone else is saying about Travis's reviews! I really enjoy reading them as well.
Old 09-03-13 | 02:11 AM
  #186  
mrcellophane's Avatar
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,766
Received 105 Likes on 66 Posts
From: Norman, OK
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

The Hidden Fortress (1958) is pure, exhilarating fun from start to finish. I watched it Sunday evening while the rest of my family was attending church. My experiences with Kurosawa have been with his more ponderous films, so this was a change of pace. I’m not sure I have much to say about it (or George Lucas’s interview). Kurosawa and cinematographer Ichio Yamazaki make good use of the Tohoscope and the space outside of the screen. There are lots of fun long shots with characters reacting to off-screen stimuli right before it invades the screen.

Unfortunately, not all of the film’s elements worked for me. I’m going to put Tahei and Matashichi (the two peasants) up there with The Fifth Element’s Ruby Rhod in the “Annoying Comic Relief” category. God, they were fucking annoying. I would have much rather seen things from the viewpoint of Toshiro Mifune’s character. The fact that he does not throttle those two is just as impressive as his spear-play with Hyoe Tadokoro. Thankfully, the film is delightful enough that I found other things on which to focus.

Oh, and Toshiro Mifune’s thighs are absolutely amazing… as are Misa Uehara’s eyebrows!
Old 09-03-13 | 02:18 AM
  #187  
Travis McClain's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 7,798
Received 209 Likes on 135 Posts
From: Western Hemisphere
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by LJG765
But, Travis, I've said this before, I think your reviews are very well done and I really enjoy reading them. I might not always agree, but I always think about what you've written!
Originally Posted by mrcellophane
Also, ditto what everyone else is saying about Travis's reviews! I really enjoy reading them as well.
Thanks, y'all!

Originally Posted by mrcellophane
Unfortunately, not all of the film’s elements worked for me. I’m going to put Tahei and Matashichi (the two peasants) up there with The Fifth Element’s Ruby Rhod in the “Annoying Comic Relief” category. God, they were fucking annoying.
I found them okay-to-tedious, right up to the point where they were trying to decide which of them got the first crack at sexually assaulting the princess. At that point, they joined Ike Clanton in Tombstone in the shortlist of movie characters I really wanted to see suffer.
Old 09-03-13 | 02:29 AM
  #188  
Travis McClain's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 7,798
Received 209 Likes on 135 Posts
From: Western Hemisphere
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

I streamed The Killing, one of the titles available through Amazon Prime right now. From my Letterboxd diary:

Spoiler:
Like a lot of people, I dig heist films. A random mugging is just vulgar, but there's something about all the planning to a heist that fascinates me. I think it's the writer in me. The chief problem I often have with heist films is that it becomes pretty obvious who will get away with what. Here, though, I wondered if they would pull it off at all, and that's an exciting element to have in a heist story.

In his 1988 essay for The Criterion Collection, David Ehrenstein makes note of "the clinical distance held by Kubrick" regarding his characters and their plot. Kubrick can be frustrating because there is a coldness to his films that belie their content matter, but here it works well. Our protagonists are, after all, conspirators to armed robbery and the killing of a horse (even if its legal definition is up for grabs!).

Ehrenstein praises Marie Windsor for her performance as the cruel Sherry Peatty, but I think it's Elisha Cook who actually makes the film work so well. It's his performance as her cuckolded husband George that imbues the film with its personality. Cook moves deftly from one gradient of emotional motivation to the next, alternately desperate, bitter, loving, hopeful, confident, terrified, and any state between. A clumsier actor could have ruined not just that role, but the entire picture, dragging it into the B-movie realm of melodrama.

Though Sterling Hayden is the top-billed actor and the whole scheme is orchestrated by his character, Johnny, it's really Cook's turn as George that makes The Killing even matter to us. Without his very accessible, very human motivations and reactions, there's little reason to invest ourselves in how the caper goes. But we quickly empathize with George. Here's a guy who smelled the roses on his way home from work, only for the wife he adores to mock him for it when he tries to share that rewarding moment with her.

Just like that, we're in. We want to see George be part of this plot. We don't necessarily care how Johnny or any of the others come out of it, but we want George to finally have his day. Before George and Sherry finish their first scene together, we're on his side. We get it. He's our point of view character, but he's also our reason for caring about not just the heist, but the film. And it's all because Elisha Cook nailed his part.

Star Trek nerd alert: Elisha Cook appeared in two episodes of the original series ("The Court Martial" as Captain Kirk's legal representative and "Wolf in the Fold" as a man possessed by Jack the Ripper). The Killing was also the first film scored by Gerald Fried, who went on to become one of the core composers for the original series, including the iconic "Amok Time". Fried was a childhood pal of Kubrick's, recruited on that basis for the film that launched both of their respective careers.

The Killing entered my Flickchart at #492/1563

The Killing
-X- 1950 (1956)
-X- 551-600 (#575)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme: Heist Movies
-X- Theme: Noir and Neonoir
-X- Essay: The Killing by David Ehrenstein
1/10 List: Frank Roddam's Top 10
Old 09-03-13 | 03:09 AM
  #189  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,556
Received 306 Likes on 197 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by ororama
There was a TV series in between. If sales are good (and we're lucky), there may be a second set with the TV episodes and the 26th movie.
Since reading that Criterion released a handful of TV episodes on laserdisc, it's been my hope that at some point they'll produce a small companion line of TV shows - particularly complete releases of the drama shows excerpted on Golden Age of TV - so I would hope for that, too.
Old 09-03-13 | 03:20 AM
  #190  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,556
Received 306 Likes on 197 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by popcorn
Not trying to hijack the thread but I have a question: do you watch your films alone or with others? I just watched one of the Ozu's Tokyo Chorus and my family was really distracting. They don't do well with silent films. Now I'm watching Slacker in my room... alone. Just wondering if others deal with similar situations.
I try to watch alone for that very reason - I'd like to watch in company, but there isn't really any company that doesn't talk throughout and disrupt things..! Most challenges I wind up watching in short bursts as my companions' attention wanes... for Criterion, I try* to watch things in one go, so it's just me.





*and frequently fail
Old 09-03-13 | 03:39 AM
  #191  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,556
Received 306 Likes on 197 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

For the interested, it looks like YouTube has Nanook of the North (#33), The Passion of Joan of Arc (#62), Carnival of Souls (#63), Hiroshima Mon Amour (#196), The Great Dictator (#565), The Phantom Carriage (#579) and The Gold Rush (#615) available for free...

Last edited by ntnon; 09-03-13 at 03:51 AM.
Old 09-03-13 | 05:27 AM
  #192  
pacaway's Avatar
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,260
Received 77 Likes on 59 Posts
From: Calgary
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

After a couple foreign language selections, I thought I'd watch something a little easier last night and went with the very first Criterion I ever owned, or saw for that matter, The Royal Tenenbaums. I guess I purchased it used from a video store (didn't remember that) and was disappointed last night to find out I do not have the booklet.
Anyway, as mentioned, this was my first (of what has become many) Criterion titles, and my first experience with Wes Anderson. It has, as so many of his movies do, so many aspects to it. I think most would call it a comedy, but it is also so tragic yet heartwarming. Now I'm trying to decide whether I prefer it to Rushmore. I guess I'll have to watch that again this month to compare.
To derail a bit here, it is very disappointing how expensive Criterion titles continue to be here in Canada. I'm quite sure the prices are close to double what they are in the US. Usually these days most regular disc prices are on par, but Criterion's still sell for much more than the prices I see south of the border. For instance, HMV sells most blu-rays for around $45. My collection would be even huger otherwise. Maybe that's a good thing actually...
Old 09-03-13 | 09:18 AM
  #193  
Travis McClain's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 7,798
Received 209 Likes on 135 Posts
From: Western Hemisphere
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

My night/morning have pretty well sucked, but at least I've gotten in another movie, The Friends of Eddie Coyle. From my Letterboxd diary:
Spoiler:
This one came to my attention because it's #1 on Anthony Bourdain's Top 10 list of Criterion titles. Aside from Peter Boyle, familiar to me from The Dream Team and Everybody Loves Raymond, I was pretty much entirely unfamiliar with this cast. I knew Robert Mitchum by name, of course, but offhand I can't even say that I've ever seen any of his other films.

Yet despite not having that "Hey, that guy!" reaction to anyone, there was a sort of unconscious familiarity. Everyone looked like the guys who should have been in a movie like this, and by extension had probably been in dozens of movies like this. Kent Jones asserts at the end of his 2009 essay, The Friends of Eddie Coyle: They Were Expendable, that:

"Young film fans raised in the multiplex era might look back and lament the fact that no one is making movies like The Friends of Eddie Coyle anymore. The truth is that they never did. There’s only this one."

There are cinematic descendants of the film, such as The Departed (name-checked twice by Jones), but he's quite right to note how unique the film was to its time. Just a few hours before streaming The Friends of Eddie Coyle, I had watched Kubrick's breakout work, The Killing. It was pure happenstance that both were films about crime, but what struck me most during Eddie Coyle was how it seemed to make The Killing feel like a work of fiction by virtue of its own verisimilitude.

Director Peter Yates, screenwriter/producer Paul Monash, and the terrific ensemble all manage to do something rare: They get out of the way of the story and let it tell itself. At no point does The Friends of Eddie Coyle feel orchestrated - not even when an entire operation, be it a transaction, a sting or a hit, plays out as set up in detail in the preceding scenes. I can appreciate why this film would appeal to a traveler such as Bourdain, who is accustomed to acclimating quickly to places by peering beneath the superficial, tourist-friendly offerings to find the reality of the local way of life.

The Friends of Eddie Coyle entered my Flickchart at #339/1564

The Friends of Eddie Coyle
-X- 1970 (1973)
-X- #451-500 (#475)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme: Heist Movies
-X- Theme: New American Cinema
-X- Theme: Noir and Neonoir
-X- Theme: Novels on the Big Screen
-X- Essay: The Friends of Eddie Coyle: They Were Expendable by Kent Jones
1/10 List: Anthony Bourdain's Top 10

Last edited by Travis McClain; 09-03-13 at 09:27 AM.
Old 09-03-13 | 09:22 AM
  #194  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 8,614
Received 294 Likes on 216 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Watched my very first Criterion I ever owned last night, Robocop. I bought it used a few years ago and forgot that the disc was pretty scratched, so it wasn't a pleasant viewing experience. In fact, I'm not even going to try to watch the extras.
Old 09-03-13 | 09:29 AM
  #195  
Travis McClain's Avatar
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 7,798
Received 209 Likes on 135 Posts
From: Western Hemisphere
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Whoops! Forgot to actually reply to pacaway, so here's a follow-up:

Originally Posted by pacaway
I guess I purchased it used from a video store (didn't remember that) and was disappointed last night to find out I do not have the booklet.
Send an email to Jon Mulvaney at Criterion and explain that you'd like to replace the booklet. He may not oblige, but he might. He was kind enough to send a replacement booklet to my local library branch last year when I checked out Gimme Shelter and discovered its booklet absent.
Old 09-03-13 | 10:24 AM
  #196  
CardiffGiant's Avatar
Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 755
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by LJG765
I'd normally agree, but I think that this one just really wasn't paced well, subtitle wise. Maybe I just haven't watched a fast paced dialogued movie with subtitles. Up until this movie, I'd say I was pretty good at following both the subtitles and the actual movie. I'm a fast reader, so I never really had problems keeping up with them. But this one just didn't have time to flick your eyes up from the bottom of the screen. I know I reversed twice to catch dialogue because I took my eyes of the subtitles to actually see the picture. And I never do that!
Hmm...I don't remember how fast the subtitles for M were, but I've definitely had the experience that you're describing. I'm always interested in the Mise-en-scène, so it's tough to read and take that in at the same time. It's great to watch a film that you've seen so many times, for me The Seventh Seal and Rashomon come to mind, because I read very little and only occasionally glance at the subtitles.

Originally Posted by rbrown498
I just finished watching Revanche, and I have to agree that it's both underrated and a welcome addition to the revenge film genre. It's a very sensual film as well, and the sound design was absolutely top-notch.

It actually makes a pretty good double-feature with the first film I watched for the Challenge, Yi Yi, in that they're both meditations on what it means to be human.

On a purely aesthetic note, I don't think that I'm going to see a finer final shot this challenge than that of Revanche (even with The 400 Blows on my "to be watched" list).
Yi Yi is in the unwatched pile, for me; hopefully, I get to it. Also, apparently I need to watch the final scene (or whole film!) again...don't remember the final image. I've never been in love with the final scene from The 400 Blows, but I think that's because I'd seen so many spoofs of it prior to that, so it came off as cheesy. Not a fault with the film, by any means.
,
Originally Posted by mrcellophane
The music is great. I'm assuming you are referring to "Yumeji's Theme" which plays during key scenes. Absolutely wonderful use of music - it put me in mind of several character themes from The Royal Tenenbaums.
Yep, that's the one.

Also, with regards to The Royal Tenenbaums, I can't listen to any version of "Hey Jude"
Spoiler:
without envisioning Mordecai soaring through the air.


Originally Posted by pacaway
To derail a bit here, it is very disappointing how expensive Criterion titles continue to be here in Canada. I'm quite sure the prices are close to double what they are in the US. Usually these days most regular disc prices are on par, but Criterion's still sell for much more than the prices I see south of the border. For instance, HMV sells most blu-rays for around $45. My collection would be even huger otherwise. Maybe that's a good thing actually...
Is there a reason for this (like VAT in the UK?) or are Criterion's significantly higher than other films in Canada? I was fairly unaware of this, although I have heard of people driving/flying(!) to the US for the B&N sale because it's cheaper than buying domestically.
Old 09-03-13 | 10:40 AM
  #197  
DVD Talk Gold Edition
 
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,486
Received 389 Likes on 226 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Not strictly challenge-related, but TCM started showing a 15-part documentary on the history of film called, aptly enough, The Story of Film. After each episode, TCM is showing films from the period under discussion, which will include a raft of Criterion films, like The Phantom Carriage, L'Atalante, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Safety Last, I Was Born, But. . . , Osaka Elegy, Good Morning,, and many more. I found the first episode fascinating, and I plan to watch the entire series.

Last edited by Gobear; 09-03-13 at 10:49 AM.
Old 09-03-13 | 10:51 AM
  #198  
pacaway's Avatar
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,260
Received 77 Likes on 59 Posts
From: Calgary
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by CardiffGiant
Is there a reason for this (like VAT in the UK?) or are Criterion's significantly higher than other films in Canada? I was fairly unaware of this, although I have heard of people driving/flying(!) to the US for the B&N sale because it's cheaper than buying domestically.
Strictly a Criterion thing. Regular disc titles are about the same prices and sometimes even cheaper here. Definitely not a VAT type thing.
Old 09-03-13 | 10:52 AM
  #199  
pacaway's Avatar
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,260
Received 77 Likes on 59 Posts
From: Calgary
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Whoops! Forgot to actually reply to pacaway, so here's a follow-up:



Send an email to Jon Mulvaney at Criterion and explain that you'd like to replace the booklet. He may not oblige, but he might. He was kind enough to send a replacement booklet to my local library branch last year when I checked out Gimme Shelter and discovered its booklet absent.
I might just do that! Thanks for the tip!
Old 09-03-13 | 10:55 AM
  #200  
Ash Ketchum's Avatar
DVD Talk Legend
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 13,269
Received 487 Likes on 361 Posts
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
My night/morning have pretty well sucked, but at least I've gotten in another movie, The Friends of Eddie Coyle. From my Letterboxd diary:

The Friends of Eddie Coyle
-X- 1970 (1973)
-X- #451-500 (#475)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme: Heist Movies
-X- Theme: New American Cinema
-X- Theme: Noir and Neonoir
-X- Theme: Novels on the Big Screen
-X- Essay: The Friends of Eddie Coyle: They Were Expendable by Kent Jones
1/10 List: Anthony Bourdain's Top 10
I'm quite pleased that you watched and liked THE FRIENDS OF EDDIE COYLE. Mitchum is my favorite actor of all time. He had a nice run in the mid-70s with this film, THE YAKUZA and FAREWELL MY LOVELY. He thrived in the 1940s when he started out. The classic Mitchum film you most need to see is the film noir, OUT OF THE PAST (1947), where he plays a private eye who is hired to find a racketeer's girlfriend and then runs off with her and, needless to say, things don't go well for any of them. Kirk Douglas, in one of his earliest roles, plays the racketeer. Jane Greer is the girlfriend.

I'm not sure if any other Mitchum films are in the Criterion Collection (NIGHT OF THE HUNTER?), but you can't go wrong seeking out more Mitchum films.

I'd also recommend the novel, "The Friends of Eddie Coyle," by George V. Higgins, an ex-prosecutor in Boston, so he came to his writing with a solid background in his subject. Very tight, concise prose style, filled with Boston flavor. Not a wasted stroke.


Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.