5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
#376
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Also, here's something I've been working on for a little bit. You can copy and paste any or all of this for your own checklist purposes. It's every box set and Top 10 list presently on Criterion.com, formatted for our purposes.
Box Sets
Collector’s Sets
Essential Art House
Eclipse Series
Top 10 List
LaserDisc Releases not Issued on DVD
Box Sets
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Collector’s Sets
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Essential Art House
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Eclipse Series
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Top 10 List
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LaserDisc Releases not Issued on DVD
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Last edited by Travis McClain; 08-07-17 at 04:52 AM.
#377
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I've just finished Bridge on the River Kwai, and it is fantastic. What really struck me - and I presume this was quite deliberate - was how it managed to accurately and persuasively portray and argue two completely opposite sides of the same coin with considerable eloquence and sway. On the one hand, the 'rightness' of indomitability and the British Spirit, maintaining dignity and order and following the rules no matter what. And at the same time, pointing out in no uncertain terms the inherent absurdity and great problems in so doing.
On the first side, the Colonel clearly wins every battle he picks with his captor by sticking firmly to his sense of duty and law despite threats, starvation and inevitable death. On the other, there's the American officer who in the last third of the film gives a passionate mini-speech to another British officer in which he states starkly 'You're so busy trying to die like a Gentleman that you forget to live like a human being'. Similarly, Alec Guinness's Colonel has a moment of almost-self-doubt not long thereafter when he notes that he's been in the army for 28 years, and probably only been home for 10 months.
The sense of duty and rightness leads prisoners to help their captors - and the pride and honour in a job well done further has them rewrite the plans and work schedules to make it better. Watching this so soon after The Great Escape, with it's opening gambit that 'the duty of every officer is to escape' or otherwise stymy the enemy is particularly interesting.
Here, though, you have the British officer "leading them [the enemy] right to it [the sabotage]," out of a misguided (or is it?) sense of pride in his accomplishment of building a sturdy bridge in no time flat. "What Have I Done?", indeed.
It's a study in madness, pride, honour, decency; a clash of wills, and probably a pointed commentary on the decline of Empire and the erosion of precisely the kinds of Gentlemanly behaviour depicted so cleverly and accurately.
On the first side, the Colonel clearly wins every battle he picks with his captor by sticking firmly to his sense of duty and law despite threats, starvation and inevitable death. On the other, there's the American officer who in the last third of the film gives a passionate mini-speech to another British officer in which he states starkly 'You're so busy trying to die like a Gentleman that you forget to live like a human being'. Similarly, Alec Guinness's Colonel has a moment of almost-self-doubt not long thereafter when he notes that he's been in the army for 28 years, and probably only been home for 10 months.
The sense of duty and rightness leads prisoners to help their captors - and the pride and honour in a job well done further has them rewrite the plans and work schedules to make it better. Watching this so soon after The Great Escape, with it's opening gambit that 'the duty of every officer is to escape' or otherwise stymy the enemy is particularly interesting.
Here, though, you have the British officer "leading them [the enemy] right to it [the sabotage]," out of a misguided (or is it?) sense of pride in his accomplishment of building a sturdy bridge in no time flat. "What Have I Done?", indeed.
It's a study in madness, pride, honour, decency; a clash of wills, and probably a pointed commentary on the decline of Empire and the erosion of precisely the kinds of Gentlemanly behaviour depicted so cleverly and accurately.
#378
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I discovered that Criterion included a short film, Charlotte et Véronique, ou Tous les garçons s’appellent Patrick [All the Boys Are Called Patrick], as an extra on their DVD release of Une femme est une femme...and that the short is streaming in the HuluPlus library. From my Letterboxd diary:
I assume that Patrick would have been an unusual French name at the time, which would have been part of the joke, although I recall that a decade or so ago it was the most popular name for baby boys in France. I am a fan of the Irish fiddler Patrick Orceau, who is the only French player of traditional Irish music that I know of (although Breton and Quebecois traditional music is very similar to Irish music).
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#379
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
The sense of duty and rightness leads prisoners to help their captors - and the pride and honour in a job well done further has them rewrite the plans and work schedules to make it better. Watching this so soon after The Great Escape, with it's opening gambit that 'the duty of every officer is to escape' or otherwise stymy the enemy is particularly interesting.
Nicholson's orders to surrender are the real conceit, but that often gets lost in the course of discussion. My sentiment is that the big picture idea is that Nicholson is behind the 8-ball and has to do the best he can. He does that, and then somehow finds himself down the rabbit hole. His perspective of the bridge outliving the war is clearly in the realm of idealism rather than the world view that a career soldier would have had, though the way Guinness plays him, it's not out of the question that these events simply caught up with him at a wistful time in his life.
Incidentally, the original novel by Pierre Boulle does not include the American soldier played by William Holden. He was created because it was felt that the novel as it was was too thin for a full length feature film. I read the novel about 13 years ago after finding a copy of it in the campus bookstore. In my estimation, it's one of the clearer exceptions to the presumption that adaptations are always inferior to the original books.
Any time I hear anyone talk about how CGI allows movies to be bigger than they were before, I think of the fact that David Lean built a bridge, put a real train on it, and blew it to hell. There may not be a more thrilling climax from a "sheer spectacle" point of view, and the more movies are rendered by computers, the more impressive it becomes by contrast.
#380
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I don't take Patrick any more seriously than the girls do. He's a jerk who gets caught in his deceptions, it's their friendship that's the point of the narrative, and ultimately, it's the difference that point of view makes in storytelling that is the point of the movie.
#381
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I knew this seemed familiar, finally remembered why. http://softfilm.blogspot.com/2009/11...k-douglas.html
It seems the Asian studios were interested in having a little Hollywood glamor rub off on their stars, since there doesn't seem to have been much interest in Hollywood for these actors.
Hope to get to The Life of Oharu this weekend, and I'll be sure to watch The Travels of Kinuyo Tanaka sometime this month.
It seems the Asian studios were interested in having a little Hollywood glamor rub off on their stars, since there doesn't seem to have been much interest in Hollywood for these actors.
Hope to get to The Life of Oharu this weekend, and I'll be sure to watch The Travels of Kinuyo Tanaka sometime this month.
#382
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Another rough night, but at least I've got another viewing to show for it. This time, I went back to Hets [Torment], which featured the first Ingmar Bergman screenplay to be filmed. From my Letterboxd diary:
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
(Spoilers also for The Virgin Spring.)
Hets [Torment]
-X- 1940 (1944)
-X- an Eclipse title
-X- Language: Swedish
-X- Person: Ingmar Bergman
1/5 Box Set: Eclipse Series 1: Early Bergman
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
(Spoilers also for The Virgin Spring.)
Spoiler:
Hets [Torment]
-X- 1940 (1944)
-X- an Eclipse title
-X- Language: Swedish
-X- Person: Ingmar Bergman
1/5 Box Set: Eclipse Series 1: Early Bergman
#383
Challenge Guru & Comic Nerd
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
When I saw that Criterion had officially added Nashville to the collection, I dragged out my old paramount barebones DVD (soon to be sold), What a phenomenal film! From the K-Tel Records opening credits sequence to the weird political background to the music, Altman's film really captures the zeitgeist of mid-70s America.

Awesome, thanks Travis!
#384
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#385
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I finished off the Robert Downey Sr. set today after watching it over the course of the last several days. This definitely had its ups and downs. The highlights for me were Putney Swope, No More Excuses, and Babo 73. Chafed Elbows and especially Two Tons of Turquoise to Taos Tonight were difficult to get through though. I think this set is definitely one that you have to be in a certain frame of mind that I am never in to enjoy fully.
#386
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I finished off the Robert Downey Sr. set today after watching it over the course of the last several days. This definitely had its ups and downs. The highlights for me were Putney Swope, No More Excuses, and Babo 73. Chafed Elbows and especially Two Tons of Turquoise to Taos Tonight were difficult to get through though. I think this set is definitely one that you have to be in a certain frame of mind that I am never in to enjoy fully.
#387
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I was in the mood for some horror today, so I opened my DVD of Halloween that I got at Wal Mart a few years ago. I hadn't opened it till now as it is always on tv every year. I think it may have been the cut down version as it was only about 1 hr 25 min I think. There are some nice extras that I may watch and list without counting on the disc too.
#388
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I don't think I would have managed to finish that turd if it hadn't been a really slow day of work where I was essentially on call waiting for stuff to come in, so I needed something to keep me occupied so the time wouldn't drag. This didn't really help in that regard, but at least the goal of finishing off a boxset and marking that off on my checklist gave me some motivation.
#389
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I went to watch The Princess Bride and ended up spending about an hour watching all the extras. (I have the br combo pack of it). Except for the one on the Dread Pirate Roberts, they were all well done. I know this was never given a DVD/BR Criterion release, but I think these featurettes would hold up well if they ever decided to make one. I am going to try to watch the actual movie tomorrow.
#390
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I went to watch The Princess Bride and ended up spending about an hour watching all the extras. (I have the br combo pack of it). Except for the one on the Dread Pirate Roberts, they were all well done. I know this was never given a DVD/BR Criterion release, but I think these featurettes would hold up well if they ever decided to make one. I am going to try to watch the actual movie tomorrow.
#391
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There were an awful lot of WWII POWs who rejected and condemned [The Bridge on the River Kwai] for depicting what they saw as cowardice and treason. I don't have their life experience, so I'm wholly unqualified to speak to that matter. I can only say that I personally felt the story made it clear that Col. Nicholson's cooperation was, at least initially, conceived as a manner of passive-aggressive resistance on pretty meta level. There's the scene after Nicholson has been released from solitary confinement, where he leads his officers through the planning stages and Col. Saito shrinks with each exchange, clearly having lost control over the situation.
Any time I hear anyone talk about how CGI allows movies to be bigger than they were before, I think of the fact that David Lean built a bridge, put a real train on it, and blew it to hell. There may not be a more thrilling climax from a "sheer spectacle" point of view, and the more movies are rendered by computers, the more impressive it becomes by contrast.
#392
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I still haven't explored much of the bonus content, but I did get a kick out of Rob Reiner's commentary track. He shared a great anecdote about going to dinner once at a place where John Gotti was also dining. I can't remember now where in the movie that came up; 30-40 minutes in, maybe? Worth a listen.
Picked up a stack from the library this afternoon. Already watched The Beales of Grey Gardens. I picked this one mainly because I've heard of the Beales and the spine number was one I needed for the check list. When I ordered it, though, I thought it was the original, but it's actually a sequel of sorts. Footage is from the same time period as the original but is the stuff that didn't make the cut. I enjoyed it nevertheless. It was quite interesting looking at these two women and a slice of their unusual lives. I would recommend. I didn't feel lost or anything either, even though I hadn't watched the original film.
#393
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I watched two more movies today. Monterey Pop and The Princess Bride. The Princess Bride is one of the best movies every made in my opinion. It has a bit of everything in it. It's funny, has adventure, love, pirates, some of the best lines ever...and the song is awesome too. I enjoyed watching it even with the commentary which rarely happens for me! (Travis, the bit you mentioned is about 10 mins in).
The other one was pretty good too. I enjoyed the music which is always helpful. Earlier in the challenge, I watched Gimme Shelter which could almost be seen as the counter film to this one. Where Monterey Pop shows how a concert came together quickly and turned out well, the opposite can be said for Gimme.
The other one was pretty good too. I enjoyed the music which is always helpful. Earlier in the challenge, I watched Gimme Shelter which could almost be seen as the counter film to this one. Where Monterey Pop shows how a concert came together quickly and turned out well, the opposite can be said for Gimme.
#395
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8 ½
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The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou -
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[Two score pieces by Sven Libaek not available.]
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[Final song, "Team Zissou", not available.]
The Darjeeling Limited
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When I proposed the soundtrack be added to the checklist, it was with the allowance that it be optional since access may not be great.
#396
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A little after midnight, I watched Les Diaboliques. Initially, I only anticipated getting one check mark out of it because the DVD my library has is the first Criterion edition, which is movie-only. However, I found that the two interview segments produced for the 2011 Blu-ray release are both streaming on HuluPlus. From my Letterboxd diary:
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Les Diaboliques
-X- 1950 (1955)
-X- 001-050 (#35)
-X- Language: French
-X- People: Henri-Georges Clouzot
-X- People: Simone Signoret
-X- Theme: Noir and Neonoir
-X- Theme: Originals
-X- Theme: Scary Movies
-X- Theme: Suspense!
-X- Essay: Diabolique by Danny Peary
-X- Supplemental Interview: New video introduction by Serge Bromberg, codirector of Henri-Georges Clouzot’s "Inferno" (14:50)
-X- New video interview with novelist and film critic Kim Newman (15:47)
1/10 List: William Friedkin's Top 10
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Spoiler:
Les Diaboliques
-X- 1950 (1955)
-X- 001-050 (#35)
-X- Language: French
-X- People: Henri-Georges Clouzot
-X- People: Simone Signoret
-X- Theme: Noir and Neonoir
-X- Theme: Originals
-X- Theme: Scary Movies
-X- Theme: Suspense!
-X- Essay: Diabolique by Danny Peary
-X- Supplemental Interview: New video introduction by Serge Bromberg, codirector of Henri-Georges Clouzot’s "Inferno" (14:50)
-X- New video interview with novelist and film critic Kim Newman (15:47)
1/10 List: William Friedkin's Top 10
#397
DVD Talk Special Edition
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#398
DVD Talk Special Edition
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What perfect timing for the Calgary International Film Festival to show Jason and the Argonauts (LD #160) this morning! So awesome to get to see this on the big screen!
#399
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I watched THE MAGICIAN this afternoon. It didn't disappoint me; I was expecting something a lot heavier than what I got, and I really enjoyed Bergman in a relatively playful mood. I've found that, so far at least, I haven't met a Bergman film that I didn't like.
#400
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I didn't know Jason and the Argonauts was eligible. I own that and never got around to watching it in either the Sci Fi Challenge or the Animation Challenge.



