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Old 09-11-13 | 01:26 PM
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My own assessment of the film as "keeping its distance" has to do with the genre-blending that Anderson utilizes as well as the diversity of odd (even for him) stylistic choices. The camera and style is (I thought at the time) more erratic and extreme than in his previous films. I remember telling a friend that it felt like Anderson was chugging Red Bulls while making parts of the film.
On some level, of course, I was aware of the mixing of genres and stylistic choices, but found it all rather organic. It made sense to me that this passage would be presented as an adventure comedy, that as an intimate drama. This would be shot surrealistically, that as though it were an actual documentary. I contrast this with the aforementioned Darjeeling Limited, where every choice seemed calculated and forced, almost as though the narrative had been constructed for the purpose of setting up those slo mo running/acoustic song montage/"quirky" dialog passages.

During last month's challenge, I watched quite a few cartoon shows I watched as a child and realized that the 90s were the era of the referential cartoon.
It's funny you say that, because one of the things that kept coming up in any commentary or analysis that I've run into about older cartoons is how loaded they were with pop culture references that are probably lost on contemporary viewers. Even just the choice of music in a Tom and Jerry short would quote from songs that audiences then would recognize and find the connotation clever and amusing, but to us it's essentially just part of the background noise.

I do not have a taste for Melville and have managed to avoid him.
I loved "Bartleby, the Scrivener" and "Benito Cerino" is a close second. I can't think offhand of what other Melville stories I've read, but I can't say that I recall disliking any of them. I also have not attempted to read any of his novels, however, much less have I gone near Moby Dick.
Old 09-11-13 | 05:10 PM
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Brando/recommended titles:

THE MEN
A STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE
THE WILD ONE
THE FUGITIVE KIND
ONE-EYED JACKS
THE GODFATHER
APOCALYPSE NOW

STREETCAR is his most iconic role and the mustest must-see on this list.
Thanks for the list...Streetcar has been on my list of shame for a while now. One day I'll get to it! I think I've mentioned it before during a challenge, so forgive me if it's a repeat, but I do try to mark off movies on that list of shame when I do these challenges. I've found several duds, but the few gems in there more than make up for it. Also, when people talk about those iconic movies, I can chime in rather than smiling and nodding along. I have to add that icheckmovies has really helped me with this. It's very satisfying checking a movie off and seeing the list shorten or seeing that I got 27 checks for one movie (On the Waterfront had that many!). I've actually gotten an award there just from the few movies I've already watched this month!
Old 09-11-13 | 06:48 PM
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Thanks for the list...Streetcar has been on my list of shame for a while now. One day I'll get to it! I think I've mentioned it before during a challenge, so forgive me if it's a repeat, but I do try to mark off movies on that list of shame when I do these challenges. I've found several duds, but the few gems in there more than make up for it. Also, when people talk about those iconic movies, I can chime in rather than smiling and nodding along. I have to add that icheckmovies has really helped me with this. It's very satisfying checking a movie off and seeing the list shorten or seeing that I got 27 checks for one movie (On the Waterfront had that many!). I've actually gotten an award there just from the few movies I've already watched this month!
Oh, I left out Arthur Penn's THE CHASE (1966), another great Brando movie. Written by Lillian Hellman from a Horton Foote novel. And the once-in-a-lifetime cast includes: Jane Fonda, Robert Redford, Angie Dickinson, Robert Duvall, E.G. Marshall, James Fox, Martha Hyer, Janice Rule, Paul Williams, Bruce Cabot (KING KONG), Clifton James, Henry Hull (THE WEREWOLF OF LONDON), Miriam Hopkins, etc.

In other news, I finally saw Henri-Georges Clouzot's DIABOLIQUE (1955). It was written by the French writers who later wrote the source novel for Hitchcock's VERTIGO. They, in fact, had wanted Hitchcock to direct DIABOLIQUE. Too bad he didn't. I might have liked it then. Hitchcock had a way of making nonsense like this work. The French don't. They take this kind of absurd story way too seriously.

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Old 09-12-13 | 12:54 AM
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I watched BLOW OUT again tonight. I don't know how many times I've seen it, but it still has yet to become one of my favorite De Palma films. It's good--make no mistake of that; I just don't connect to it quite as solidly as I do with PHANTOM OF THE PARADISE, CARRIE, BODY DOUBLE, or CASUALTIES OF WAR. I think that Travolta's never been better, and I always love John Lithgow when he plays a heavy, but Nancy Allen (whom I love dearly) was just wrong for her role. You should probably take my opinion with a grain of salt, however, as several of my friends think that BLOW OUT is undoubtedly De Palma's best movie.

The Criterion disc has a great batch of supplements: there's an hour-long interview with De Palma conducted by director Noah Baumbach (whose first film, KICKING AND SCREAMING, is in the Criterion Collection, and whose latest film, FRANCES HA, is coming to the Collection soon) that was absorbing; a half-hour interview with Nancy Allen, who still looks great; and a 15-minute interview with Garrett Brown, the guy who invented the Steadicam, which is pretty cool. There's also the complete early De Palma feature MURDER A LA MOD, which I haven't gotten around to watching yet, and some on-set shots.
Old 09-12-13 | 01:07 AM
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In other news, I finally saw Henri-Georges Clouzot's DIABOLIQUE (1955). It was written by the French writers who later wrote the source novel for Hitchcock's VERTIGO. They, in fact, had wanted Hitchcock to direct DIABOLIQUE. Too bad he didn't. I might have liked it then. Hitchcock had a way of making nonsense like this work. The French don't. They take this kind of absurd story way too seriously.
Ash,

You may be the first person I've come across that watches foreign films and doesn't like DIABOLIQUE. Sure, it may be nonsense, but the actors and director play it completely straight and approach it with conviction, so it works for me in spades. I was lucky enough to see it not long after movies, for me, went from being passing entertainment to something to be studied and appreciated as art, and I dug it HARD. Still do. I also got to see it before I'd seen any of the movies that ripped it off (well, except PSYCHO), so all the twists were new to me and terribly effective.

Every once in a while, especially on rainy Sunday afternoons, I'll pop it in and watch a bit of it, just because I love the atmosphere of the run-down boarding school. It also helps that I find Vera Clouzot to be quite fetching. Even though the Sharon Stone version was awful, there was a made-for-TV remake in the '70s called REFLECTIONS OF MURDER, directed by John Badham and starring Tuesday Weld, Joan Hackett, and Lance Kerwin, that was really, really well done. I've got it on VHS around here somewhere.
Old 09-12-13 | 01:57 AM
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Shortly after midnight last night, I revisited The Spy Who Came in from the Cold. From my Letterboxd diary:

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Just prior to sitting down to revisit The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, I had been chatting with an online pal of mine about The Criterion Collection viewing challenge in which we're both participating this month. I explained that I had found the later evening/middle of the night hours most conducive to watching these selections. At first, I thought it was because the films chosen for inclusion in The Criterion Collection tend to be more cerebral and require more attention than the busier, daytime/evening hours often afford.

But then I realized, specifically because I had this film set to be my next viewing, that there was more to it. Most mainstream cinema tries to depict (and often summarize tidily) big ideas, or at least offer bigger than life spectacle. We're meant to be comforted by such films, which is precisely why even when they explore a dark theme, we leave feeling connected with one another in some way.

Films such as The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, however, do not aspire to be our matchmaker. Instead, they take a look at what goes on in the shadows. They're often films that, at the risk of both hyperbole and cliche, shine a light on things that most of us want to go to sleep at night not having thought about at all.

It's impossible to me to conceive of watching The Spy Who Came in from the Cold at a time of day or night when decent people are awake. John le Carré's Cold War spy stories project a well-earned reputation for being stripped of romanticized ideas of the world of espionage. I've read several, and while they've all been enjoyable, it is this story more or less defines "the le Carré brand".

Long before I ever exhibited the slightest interest in spy stories, I knew of The Spy Who Came in from the Cold. I can't even say now when it first appeared on my radar. I knew its title, and its reputation for being a literary masterpiece. I was intimidated, in truth, and resisted approaching le Carré, until 2002 when I saw the film version of The Tailor of Panama and adored it. I read le Carré's novel, and quickly set about going back to the beginning and working my way forward through his bibliography.

Though it's George Smiley who dominates le Carré's novels, it's really Alec Leamas in his one outing who defines for us what an agent does and how his work affects him. Leamas is something of a paradox; a man who has devoted his life to a cause, but has long since been disabused of belief in any causes. Leamas finds both sides of the Cold War laughable, a dog and pony show on a grand scale to placate ideologues who never had to get their hands dirty the way as Leamas and his peers - on either side of the Iron Curtain. There is a sense that Leamas has remained at his post all these years more because of habit than ego or even professionalism.

Richard Burton plays Leamas perfectly, never trying to convince us that there's someone noble and heroic under the façade as many other actors would have tried. Instead, Burton understood that what Leamas projected was not a façade at all. Though his professional line of work required deception, at no point did Leamas ever try to project that he was any other kind of man than the one he really was.

Burton is perfectly paired here with his real-life former lover Claire Bloom as the naïve but passionate Nan Perry (née Liz Gold in le Carré's novel). Bloom conveys most of Nan's character through subtle facial expressions, informing us with the furrowing of her eyebrows that she's troubled by Leamas's cynicism or a faint smile that she's encouraged about the potential for their relationship.

On and off set, Michael Sragow's 2008 essay informs us, Burton's then-wife Elizabeth Taylor jealously kept him on a short leash away from Bloom. Perhaps this accounts for the reserved chemistry between the two on-screen, in which they clearly long to have more time together but know that external forces will not permit it; Taylor looming over Burton and Bloom just as Mundt, Fiedler and even Control interfere with Leamas and Claire's budding relationship.

Surrounding the duo is a one of the finest assemblies of stage and character actors that could have been found for such a film. Oskar Werner gives us an impassioned Fiedler, contrasting with Peter van Eyck's ice cold Mundt. Both men are unmistakably ruthless, but by film's end we learn that comparatively, it is Cyril Cusack's Control who has ice in his veins. Though both Alec Guinness and Gary Oldman have given us wonderful screen portrayals of le Carré’s chief protagonist George Smiley, I find that it is Rupert Davies who most closely resembles the look of the character described to us in the first few pages of Call for the Dead.

The narrative is very faithful to le Carré’s novel (himself having contributed to the screenplay), but it's Oswald Morris's stark black and white cinematography that best captures the feel of the source material. Every other adaptation of le Carré’s works has been in color, but to imagine this particular film in anything other than black and white is heretical. The Spy Who Came in from the Cold could only have been shot in black and white.

Contributing also to the proper feel of the film is Sol Kaplan's sparse score. By the time we see the imprisoned Leamas lying on his bed after the climactic trial, we've gone so long without any musical accompaniment that the piano and strings are startling. So enthralled by then are we with the slow burn of the plot that we expect to linger in Leamas's room indefinitely. The music feels vulgar in its way, calling our attention to what will constitute the film's "action finale". Kaplan's score is fine, but the film simply doesn't need it.

I've seen both screen versions of Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. The 2010 film covers most of the ground and nails the appropriate tone, whereas the BBC series is allowed a more le Carré-ian pace. There are pros and cons to both versions, though both are terrific and rewarding in their own ways. It is difficult, if not impossible, to envision any other screen version of The Spy Who Came in from the Cold accomplishing anything other than confirming that Martin Ritt nailed it in 1965.

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I was so caught up in the overall themes I wanted to address that I entirely forgot to mention a little "Easter egg" of sorts I missed the first time I saw the film. When Leamas is released from prison, he walks in front of a parked car. Its conspicuously prominent license plate reads "HUN 745". I have to assume that's a reference to Potsdam Conference, held in July, 1945 (i.e., 7/45) in which Germany was formally segregated. "HUN", of course, would be reference to the Hun heritage of the Germans. I found that clever.

The Spy Who Came in from the Cold was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #87/1569


-X- 1960 (1965)
-X- #451-500 (#452)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme: Novels on the Big Screen
-X- Theme: War Films
-X- Essay: The Spy Who Came in from the Cold: True Ritt by Michael Sragow
-X- The Spy Who Came in from the Cold Trailer [on Criterion.com]
1/10 John Taylor's Top 10
1/10 Wes Anderson's Top 10

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Old 09-12-13 | 09:29 AM
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You may be the first person I've come across that watches foreign films and doesn't like DIABOLIQUE. Sure, it may be nonsense, but the actors and director play it completely straight and approach it with conviction, so it works for me in spades. I was lucky enough to see it not long after movies, for me, went from being passing entertainment to something to be studied and appreciated as art, and I dug it HARD. Still do. I also got to see it before I'd seen any of the movies that ripped it off (well, except PSYCHO), so all the twists were new to me and terribly effective.

Every once in a while, especially on rainy Sunday afternoons, I'll pop it in and watch a bit of it, just because I love the atmosphere of the run-down boarding school. It also helps that I find Vera Clouzot to be quite fetching. Even though the Sharon Stone version was awful, there was a made-for-TV remake in the '70s called REFLECTIONS OF MURDER, directed by John Badham and starring Tuesday Weld, Joan Hackett, and Lance Kerwin, that was really, really well done. I've got it on VHS around here somewhere.
I appreciate your response. I imagine that my reaction might have been very different if I'd seen it as a film student 40 years ago. But no teacher ever showed it and none of my fellow students ever recommended it to me. It just never went across my radar. I might have had more patience for this particular genre once upon a time. But I don't have it anymore. That little Columbo-like "retired" detective annoyed the hell out of me because he's such an artificial creation, put in there to drive the plot. Real detectives never behave like that. And the clincher is:
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he doesn't really do anything until after the poor woman has died, almost as if he was waiting for an actual murder to be committed before stepping forward, rather than trying to save the poor woman's life. That and the absurd twist immediately preceding it derailed the film for me more than anything else.
Old 09-12-13 | 12:17 PM
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I haven't conducted any research studies to gather empirical data, but my high school class watched a Cousteau documentary every now and again in school and his name would come up in the occasional biology class. Ahab is known for his obsession, but my reflexive reaction would be that Cousteau is a clearer shorthand for Zissou as a character than is Ahab, if only because Ahab has been appropriated for any kind of obsession. Cousteau, however, specifically evokes dedicated underwater research and documentarian work.
Fair enough, I'll sit corrected. Maybe it's a UK/US thing, and he's just much more well-known in America than I knew.

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And, to be honest, I think Ahab and Moby Dick exist more as things that are in the public consciousness for the lay viewer the way that the Kardashians are celebrities. What are they actually famous for? Apparently, they're famous for being...famous.
That's a harsh - and fairly ludicrous - comparison, I'd say! But, if true, that would still make Ahab firmly in the public consciousness... and with considerably more justification that various un-"celebrities".

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Interestingly enough, when I revisited the film a couple of years ago, I realized that it's essentially The Wrath of Khan at sea. And, of course, TWOK borrowed heavily from Moby Dick, so I laughed when I realized I hadn't actually thought of Moby Dick prior to the TWOK realization. No one who ever taught me an English class would be surprised to learn I respond more strongly to Star Trek than to classic literature, though.
Often happens! I wind up back-thinking like that all the time, too...
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Shortly after midnight last night, I revisited The Spy Who Came in from the Cold. From my Letterboxd diary:



-X- 1960 (1965)
-X- #451-500 (#452)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme: Novels on the Big Screen
-X- Theme: War Films
-X- Essay: The Spy Who Came in from the Cold: True Ritt by Michael Sragow
-X- The Spy Who Came in from the Cold Trailer [on Criterion.com]
1/10 John Taylor's Top 10
1/10 Wes Anderson's Top 10
I watched SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD for the first time right after reading the book and I was unmoved precisely because it was so close to the book and I'd just read the book. It seemed redundant. Nothing wrong with the film itself, very well acted, directed and put together. It was just anti-climactic. I need to see the film again after the memory of the book fades.
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I do not have a taste for Melville and have managed to avoid him.

Try Jean-Pierre Melville and he's eligible for this challenge, too:


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I watched SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD for the first time right after reading the book and I was unmoved precisely because it was so close to the book and I'd just read the book. It seemed redundant. Nothing wrong with the film itself, very well acted, directed and put together. It was just anti-climactic. I need to see the film again after the memory of the book fades.
I can easily appreciate that. I was more taken with the film this time around than I had been the first time through, and I think you're right that part of it is because I was more removed from le Carré's brilliant prose. I admired the film the first time, but I loved it this time.
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Revisited Gojira this morning. This film never ceases to amaze me. While the vast majority of 50s-70s Godzilla films were widely known for camp sci fi status, the original that started it all is a very serious and thoughtful anti nuclear allegory, complete with some very moving scenes.
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Such as when Godzilla is rampaging through Tokyo and a mother is huddled next to a building with her children saying that they will be reunited with their father soon.
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Try Jean-Pierre Melville and he's eligible for this challenge, too:


YAY!!! Now that's a Melville I can get behind! (I do realize that not liking Herman makes me something of a philistine, but I just don't care ) I do have Les Enfants Terribles on my list of films to watch this month.

All this talk of The Spy Who Came in From the Cold compels me to seek it out, but the library doesn't have a copy. Boo. I read the novel when I was fourteen or so while visiting my grandparents for the summer. Grandma loves spy novels and suggested it. While I do not remember a lot about it, I do remember staying up until early in the morning to finish reading it.
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Celebrating my birthday with my favorite* film of all time, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Or sometimes Jaws, or Ben Hur, or Ordet.
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Such as when Godzilla is rampaging through Tokyo and a mother is huddled next to a building with her children saying that they will be reunited with their father soon.
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I agree with this...also, later when you saw one of the children in the hospital without her as well.


I have been watching the Sabu! box set, Eclipse series tonight. This includes, The Jungle Book, The Drum and The Elephant Boy. I watched the Jungle Book first, the The Elephant Boy. While I enjoyed the first, the second wasn't near as good. Part of it is that in the 2nd one, they treat the animals horribly. And I'm pretty sure they did it just for the movie-no special effects used there!

It has been nice seeing this part in India's history, though. Having visited there, a quite a bit ago, it's interesting to see how they were perceived during Colonial/British occupation times, The Drum especially with this.
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Celebrating my birthday with my favorite* film of all time, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Or sometimes Jaws, or Ben Hur, or Ordet.
Ha! I was just thinking the exact same thing... only for next week..!
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It wasn't for my birthday as mine was last month, but I watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail earlier in the challenge.
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Ha! I was just thinking the exact same thing... only for next week..!
Wow, the same four favorite films! What are the chances? Happy early, don't forget all the free birthday meals.
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Celebrating my birthday with my favorite* film of all time, Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

Or sometimes Jaws, or Ben Hur, or Ordet.
Belated happy birthday!
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...Then I watched something completely different: Luis Buñuel’s The Milky Way (1969). I was introduced to Buñuel through a screening of The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie. I instantly feel in love – even though the film confused the hell out of me. I quickly watched more of his films but had never got around to this one. Its DVD release highlights why I really like the Criterion Collection. While watching the film, I was again confused (not the sharpest) and did not find it as interesting or fulfilling as the director’s other films. I was expecting a withering satire, and while there are definitely satirical parts and an absurdist tone throughout, the film really just explores how religious fanaticism operates by putting the world on a slant.

So after watching, I felt dissatisfied and worked my way through the provided interviews, documentary and essays. Through these, I was able to develop a clear idea about the film’s objectives and the context in which it was made. I think my initial (and continued on some points) confusion is due to my ignorance of Catholicism. The parts I found funny were connected with issues that were also applicable to Protestantism. I grew up United Pentecostal – which was an odd experience – so I was able to grasp some of the points about fanatics and quibbling over semantics and minor points. In the interview with Jean-Claude Carrière, he mentions that Milos Forman that the film was very political, because it’s critique of fanaticism could also be applied to political and philosophical movements of the time – something I would never have though of even though it makes perfect sense.
The Milky Way is one of my favorite films; it's an oddball presentation of various religious heresy staged in an absurd manner this is humorous but thought provoking (to me). I found it to have a lot of substance and depth, some of which initially escaped me. There's a lot of culturally specific commentary involved. I searched the thread looking for discussion about Milky Way because I plan to revisit it soon but I've really enjoyed it. I love the sword duel bit, poker monks, and the rabbit pate gag. Since Criterion lost the rights to Milky Way, I wonder if we will see anyone re-issue it in high definition.
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The Milky Way is one of my favorite films; it's an oddball presentation of various religious heresy staged in an absurd manner this is humorous but thought provoking (to me). I found it to have a lot of substance and depth, some of which initially escaped me. There's a lot of culturally specific commentary involved. I searched the thread looking for discussion about Milky Way because I plan to revisit it soon but I've really enjoyed it. I love the sword duel bit, poker monks, and the rabbit pate gag. Since Criterion lost the rights to Milky Way, I wonder if we will see anyone re-issue it in high definition.
I was discussing the film with a friend who hasn't seen it, and we're planning to watch it together soon. I'm sure I will understand things a lot more now that I have some context. I also really enjoyed the sword duel. I also loved the wedding party where Jesus turns the water to wine as well as his encounters with the blind men. While amusing, the segment with the children's recitation was alarming to me; it reminded of my childhood, parroting back and internalizing religious dogma that I really didn't comprehend.

Hopefully, someone will re-issue Buñuel's films in HD. His films are so visually interesting that they definitely deserve a spectacular release. I rewatched The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie recently and laughed so hard that I had to pause several times so I didn't miss subtitles. I am planning to watch Phantom of Liberty at some point. It's another one that I've never seen.
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Originally Posted by mrcellophane
Hopefully, someone will re-issue Buñuel's films in HD. His films are so visually interesting that they definitely deserve a spectacular release. I rewatched The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie recently and laughed so hard that I had to pause several times so I didn't miss subtitles. I am planning to watch Phantom of Liberty at some point. It's another one that I've never seen.
Bunuel's "Search For Truth" trilogy (those you mentioned) would be great in a set. I need to rewatch Phantom of Liberty, I love the invisible child bit.
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I watched Bergman's Winter Light, a brilliant, albeit bleak, film about a a Lutheran pastor's inability to salve the existential dread felt by one of his congregants. It's clear that Bergman is addressing a crisis in faith, shown by the pastor's admission that he doesn't think God exists, but the congregant would have been better served by going to a psychiatrist to be treated for clinical depression. For me, the real standout is the pastor's housekeeper/girlfriend's monologue, performed in one take directly to the camera, as he reads her letter.

I didn't quite get Bergman's purpose in making his protagonist such a selfish, cold, unfeeling prick. He's so unpleasant and callous; how can anyone in the audience identify with him?

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Forgot to share it, but yesterday morning I watched Koyaanisqatsi. From my Letterboxd diary:

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Koyaanisqatsi, I'm told, is some kind of unique commentary on the artificial construct of society and the unnaturalness of mankind's post-industrial ways, blah, blah, blah. We open with some footage of natural landscapes before moving onto the urban environment of southern California. There, we see how orderly everything is from factory conveyor belts to traffic (lots and lots of traffic) in about an hour's worth of footage that makes one long for the opening of Joe versus the Volcano, which made the same point in a whole lot less time (and with a whole lot more Tom Hanks).

Koyaanisqatsi is the most bothersome of documentaries, presenting us with blatantly cherry-picked evidence and leading up to not a conclusion, but a recitation of the beginning thesis (i.e., "man is destructive"). For instance, in the opening footage of the natural landscape, we see natural rocky formations that present uniform designs that were clearly not the doing of man. Nor do we see any critters whatsoever, which would instantly deflate the sanctimonious lecturing of the film because, you know, flocks of birds and schools of fish all move in formations. Oh, noes! Maybe organizational movement isn't something that man invented as his own manacle.

And what of it, anyway? If Godfrey Reggio wanted to chastise us as a species for committing ourselves to making an endless array of right turns at all hours, what does he put forth as an alternative? He stays the hell away from nature, leaving us with perhaps the path to enlightenment lies in what we do with our technology. We blow up a lot of buildings and a bridge, and we go into space. But Reggio only shows us these things without any context whatsoever. Are the leveled skyscrapers to be replaced by something indicating wiser choices? Or is he merely smugly rubbing it in our faces that all we do is destroy what we've built? And even if we do...so what?

Koyaanisqatsi made its way onto Christopher Nolan's Top 10 Criterion Collection titles. Of the film, he said:

"An incredible document of how man’s greatest endeavors have unsettling consequences. Art, not propaganda, emotional, not didactic; it doesn’t tell you what to think—it tells you what to think about."

It surprises me that Nolan would call Koyaanisqatsi "emotional", for two reasons. Firstly, I didn't find it emotional at all, outside of rolling my eyes at its pretentious condemnation of the organization of society. Secondly, though, there's the fact that I have yet to see a Christopher Nolan film that I found emotional. His storytelling sensibilities lie in the cold, cerebral areas.

The clearest microcosm is the scene in Inception in which we watch Leonardo DiCaprio - one of the finest actors of his generation/our time - given little more than the prompt "Tell the audience you're feeling upset by watching your wife commit suicide". It's the hollowest performance I've yet seen from DiCaprio, and since I know his normal work is much more affecting, fault must lie with Nolan. (I have a halfhearted supposition that Nolan is a psychopath who has to get by on mimicking human emotion because he doesn't experience it for himself.)

The one aspect of Koyaanisqatsi that I found interesting is actually in its aesthetic similarity to some of Nolan's work. I envision his pre-production notes for The Dark Knight to Wally Pfister (director of photography), Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard (composers), and Lee Smith (editor) consisted of Koyaaisqatsi on DVD with a sticky note that read, "Watch this." There was something about the aerial footage in this film that instantly reminded me of the shots in The Dark Knight surveying the Hong Kong cityscape. The aforementioned montage of blown-up buildings and the bridge called to mind the destruction of the hospital, as well as Bane's attack on Gotham City in The Dark Knight Rises. La pièce de résistance is the first person footage of an unseen vehicle navigating a California roadway, which seemed to be the paradigm for strikingly similar footage of the Batpod.

It isn't just what happens in those scenes that evoked The Dark Knight, but the precision of how the action is staged, blocked and framed for us. Even some of the scored music feels "related", with Philip Glass's work in Koyaanisqatsi relying heavily on string instruments for sounds in both the high and low registers to heighten our attention. (I don't speak "music" so I'm afraid I can't really articulate it any more clearly than that.)

Perhaps if Godfrey Reggio had presented Koyaanisqatsi as a short film, reducing the redundant factory/traffic pattern footage (seriously, dude, we get it), I might have responded more favorably. As it is, though, I mostly just found myself wanting to ask, "So what?" If Reggio anticipated that question, he put nothing into the film to indicate he, in turn, cared.

Lastly, using a Hopi word for the title and a few captioned remarks warning us against the destructive power of man doesn't make the film "enlightened". It's nothing more than a feeble effort to tap into the myth of "the noble savage".

Koyaanisqatsi entered my Flickchart at #1324/1570


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Today I watched Days of Heaven - completely by chance exactly* 35 years after it opened on September 13, 1978. It literally put me to sleep at least three times, so I wound up watching much of it twice, and still have very little idea what it's about or why it matters. Amazon said it's one of the most critically acclaimed films of all time, which I suppose should have tipped me off - given that that's often shorthand for "no-one saw it" and/or "didn't make any money" (Wikipedia, I now see, alleges both) - but I really don't know why it's held in such supposed high estimation.

The voiceover didn't add anything, or clarify much, and sounded... off. I wonder if the accent was affected, which sometimes takes me out of things, or it's just a side-effect of watching it under inopportune circumstances, but either way... possibly the most charitable thing I can say is that I'm fairly sure I'm not the target audience.


EDIT: I think I've worked out why I didn't enjoy it. From Wikipedia: "Following the completion of principal photography, the editing process took more than two years... Malick had a difficult time shaping the film and getting the pieces to go together... Malick jettisoned much of the film's dialogue, replacing it with Manz's voice-over..."

So it's a poorly-constructed complicated jigsaw that doesn't necessarily even reflect what was shot, and the voiceover I didn't like replaced the dialogue I was expecting. That'd do it... but maybe I'll look out an essay and see what 'Experts' say.





*Hopefully an actual, accurate use of "exactly"..!

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