5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
#351
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Is there a list anywhere of which Criterion titles have been updated and re-released..? I know The Lady Vanishes, The Seventh Seal and Seven Samurai definitely have, I think Brazil was, too, initially available in the not-three disc version. But is there a definitive list (with or without dates)...?
#352
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OK almost "exact" - certainly for the current top pick at least - I missed the miniature text the first time through and didn't think to caveat it! (Actually, I don't think I've seen Ordet... probably ought to rectify that when I can.)
Thank you.
...wait, what free meals..? What have I been missing all these years?!
Thank you.

...wait, what free meals..? What have I been missing all these years?!
#353
Challenge Guru & Comic Nerd
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
OK almost "exact" - certainly for the current top pick at least - I missed the miniature text the first time through and didn't think to caveat it! (Actually, I don't think I've seen Ordet... probably ought to rectify that when I can.)
Thank you.
...wait, what free meals..? What have I been missing all these years?!
Thank you.

...wait, what free meals..? What have I been missing all these years?!
Back on topic, I re-watched House the other day. What a trip!
#354
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
On topic: I tried watching The Bicycle Thief (or Thieves depending on which version you have). Not my favorite. In fact, I'm not even counting it on my list as I fast forwarded through too much. It's sad, depressing, sad. I get it. I do. It's commentary on the state of Italy at that time period, right after a depression and people were jobless and hopeless and looking for work and were angry. I'm sure the movie is well made. The actors seemed to be convincing. Maybe I wasn't in the right frame of mind, but for some reason I could not get into this one at all.
Have two more in the queue for sometime this weekend, either today or tomorrow: The Third Man and Fishing with John. The latter was recommended by Travis so I'll be blaming him if I don't like it! Hmm, the former may have been as well!
#355
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Richard III was fairly well done, with some good - great - performances, but the final battle was a bit odd. I assume it was hampered by costs and bodies rather than attempting to hew too close to the stage, but it seemed sadly sparse and disappointingly not epic.
Quite the reverse of the battles in El Cid, which I watched the other day, and was truly epic in every sense - the sheer volume of extras and costumes was staggering. One of the extra bits said that they had around 30,000 costumes! Thirty thousand... good grief. Most illuminating, though, was that it was produced in large part to make the Spanish Government look favourably on a Spanish-history/myth film, so they were able to convince the government to lend them 3,000 members of the actual Spanish army as well as large numbers of Spanish police to act as Cid's army and opposition. Which, they said, made things particularly interesting as the mounted police brought their own horses - saving rental costs, but necessitating their need to be trained to fall and 'act'..!
I really enjoyed El Cid, and didn't realise until watching the many documentary bits that the two leads really did not get on at all. When shown clips of Heston not looking at Loren during any scene, it became clearer - and I also liked that they also quoted him in retrospect regretting that he was quite so harsh to many of his female co-stars - and when they explained that a primary reason was that she out-earned him, I found that a really interesting piece of information. Not least because it must have been one of the few times that the female lead in such a big production then earned more than her male co-star...
The documentary on Miklos Rosza made me feel a bit guilty that I don't pay as much attention as perhaps I ought to the score. I shall attempt to rectify that in future. Overall, this Miriam Collection release featured a lot of apparently-honest opinions and actual expert opinion and information, rather than the more self-congratulatory pieces on many discs. This was not a Criterion DVD - El Cid was only Criterion as a laserdisc - but the depth of special features made me feel it was a comparable release.
Quite the reverse of the battles in El Cid, which I watched the other day, and was truly epic in every sense - the sheer volume of extras and costumes was staggering. One of the extra bits said that they had around 30,000 costumes! Thirty thousand... good grief. Most illuminating, though, was that it was produced in large part to make the Spanish Government look favourably on a Spanish-history/myth film, so they were able to convince the government to lend them 3,000 members of the actual Spanish army as well as large numbers of Spanish police to act as Cid's army and opposition. Which, they said, made things particularly interesting as the mounted police brought their own horses - saving rental costs, but necessitating their need to be trained to fall and 'act'..!
I really enjoyed El Cid, and didn't realise until watching the many documentary bits that the two leads really did not get on at all. When shown clips of Heston not looking at Loren during any scene, it became clearer - and I also liked that they also quoted him in retrospect regretting that he was quite so harsh to many of his female co-stars - and when they explained that a primary reason was that she out-earned him, I found that a really interesting piece of information. Not least because it must have been one of the few times that the female lead in such a big production then earned more than her male co-star...
The documentary on Miklos Rosza made me feel a bit guilty that I don't pay as much attention as perhaps I ought to the score. I shall attempt to rectify that in future. Overall, this Miriam Collection release featured a lot of apparently-honest opinions and actual expert opinion and information, rather than the more self-congratulatory pieces on many discs. This was not a Criterion DVD - El Cid was only Criterion as a laserdisc - but the depth of special features made me feel it was a comparable release.
#356
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
On topic: I tried watching The Bicycle Thief (or Thieves depending on which version you have). Not my favorite. In fact, I'm not even counting it on my list as I fast forwarded through too much. It's sad, depressing, sad. I get it. I do. It's commentary on the state of Italy at that time period, right after a depression and people were jobless and hopeless and looking for work and were angry. I'm sure the movie is well made. The actors seemed to be convincing. Maybe I wasn't in the right frame of mind, but for some reason I could not get into this one at all.
#357
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Is there a list anywhere of which Criterion titles have been updated and re-released..? I know The Lady Vanishes, The Seventh Seal and Seven Samurai definitely have, I think Brazil was, too, initially available in the not-three disc version. But is there a definitive list (with or without dates)...?
My inclination at this point is to wait on blu ray for all their main line releases, and get Eclipse releases on DVD, since there haven't been any Eclipse releases on blu ray, and the concept of Eclipse involves minimal restoration for movies of less widespread appeal. I was surprised by the upcoming Zatoichi set because I expected several Eclipse sets if Criterion released these movies, but the number of movies was probably a factor in deciding on a deluxe (and relatively cheap) box set, and Daiei may have done the restoration work in consideration of possible releases in several markets.
At this point, all non-Eclipse releases come out on blu ray, and they have recently announced dual DVD/blu ray releases for the future (as Masters Of Cinema and BFI have been doing for a while). My guess is that they will probably get to releasing just about everything that they still have rights to on blu ray, with more popular and easier to upgrade titles obviously coming sooner. It seems that now that their blu ray project is rolling, they are putting out more blu ray reissues than new titles.
#358
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I just watched THE LAST WAVE, and I had to go online to find out what it all meant. I was hanging with it...until after the trial scene, when I pretty much lost the narrative thread completely.
It was worth watching, but I don't see myself seeking it out again anytime soon.
It was worth watching, but I don't see myself seeking it out again anytime soon.
#359
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Yep, I recommended both of these to you. I also recommended The Lady Vanishes to you, and you seemed to dig that. I did point out the Sabu! Eclipse box set to you, but I'd only seen The Jungle Book (which I was mostly "meh" on, as I noted to you at the time), and I only pointed out that set would help you complete your checklist, so it's not entirely fair to count that as a "recommendation" from me. I think I've got a pretty good feel for your taste by now, though having said that, I'm sure you're waiting to take me to task over Fishing with John...
#360
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Just watched BLACK NARCISSUS for the first time. Wow, but that was a good-looking film! I enjoyed it, but I think that I'll enjoy it better on a second viewing, when I can pay more attention to the visuals without having to reserve at least part of my brain for processing the story.
#361
DVD Talk Special Edition
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Just watched BLACK NARCISSUS for the first time. Wow, but that was a good-looking film! I enjoyed it, but I think that I'll enjoy it better on a second viewing, when I can pay more attention to the visuals without having to reserve at least part of my brain for processing the story.
I'm way behind commenting on the films I've watched. Last week, I watched Kurosawa's The Bad Sleep Well, a loose adaptation of Hamlet that explores post-WWII corruption in Japan. The film follows a man who has a complex plan to avenge his father's death and bring down the corrupt officials responsible. I thought the film was still timely given the recent problems we've seen with corporate greed, corruption, and even failure.
#362
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I feel your pain, LJG. That's a difficult film. Luckily, I watched it in film school, so I had to sit through it. But it's not easy to watch a depiction of a dog-eat-dog society, which once had ruled most of the known world and influenced so many of our political institutions, where everyone treats each other so horribly.
Spoiler:
Yep, I recommended both of these to you. I also recommended The Lady Vanishes to you, and you seemed to dig that. I did point out the Sabu! Eclipse box set to you, but I'd only seen The Jungle Book (which I was mostly "meh" on, as I noted to you at the time), and I only pointed out that set would help you complete your checklist, so it's not entirely fair to count that as a "recommendation" from me. I think I've got a pretty good feel for your taste by now, though having said that, I'm sure you're waiting to take me to task over Fishing with John...
Tonight I watched The Third Man and did enjoy it. I swear I've watched at least the last 30 minutes before but I know I have not watched the beginning at all. Maybe another movie copied the ending or something, but some of that part was familiar. I was drawn into the story of a man trying to defend his dead friend and learning
Spoiler:
Now, onto Fishing with John. I also watched that tonight and yes, Travis, I would have taken you to task, but for one segment-the Willem Dafoe one. That one made up for the first 3. Of course, it didn't make up for the last 2 (both with Dennis Hopper). The Dafoe one was the most interesting and easiest to watch. I had to laugh at them and it was the most like an actual mockumentary which I assume is what they were trying to accomplish with this series.
Most of the segments seemed like 2 rich guys trying to be funny by making a show on fishing and being ironic. Eh, most of it fell flat for me.
#363
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I'm thinking primarily of updated DVDs rather than titles that get pushed out on Blu-ray out of schedule. Obviously I'm curious about those, too, but what I was looking for was a list of titles where there are (in theory) two releases that differ. Presumably when a title is retroactively Blu-ed, the Blu-ray mirrors the DVD release - with Seven Samurai and The Lady Vanishes, there is an early DVD and then a more comprehensively extra-ed release that is a significant upgrade and improvement. Different covers, too, I think.
There are also, I've noticed recently, a couple of films where there were (initially?) two releases that are/were available together: The Life Aquatic and The Last Emperor, for instance.
Anyone have any interest in helping me half-heartedly compile a list...?
#364
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Stayed up late, worked on my Rushmore piece and then revisited Being John Malkovich. From my Letterboxd diary:
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Being John Malkovich
-X- 1990 - (1999)
-X- 601-650 (#611)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme:[*]Comedies
-X- Theme:[*]First Films
-X- Essay: "The Original Piece of Wood I Left in Your Head" Perkus Tooth and Spike Jonze
1/10 List: Flying Lotus's Top 10
1/10 List: Chuck Klosterman's Top 10
1/11 Nicholas Stoller's Top 10
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Spoiler:
Being John Malkovich
-X- 1990 - (1999)
-X- 601-650 (#611)
-X- Language: English
-X- Theme:[*]Comedies
-X- Theme:[*]First Films
-X- Essay: "The Original Piece of Wood I Left in Your Head" Perkus Tooth and Spike Jonze
1/10 List: Flying Lotus's Top 10
1/10 List: Chuck Klosterman's Top 10
1/11 Nicholas Stoller's Top 10
#365
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I watched the extras on the F FOR FAKE disc and the prize on it, of course, is ORSON WELLES: THE ONE-MAN BAND, an 87-minute look at footage of various projects Welles started and didn't finish over the years. Oja Kodar, his companion in his last decade or so, guides us through it. She seems to have genuinely loved and cared for him and appreciated his legacy. Despite all his setbacks, he never stopped creating and trying to get stuff finished. He never got bitter or despairing. I first saw this film when it played theatrically back in '95 or '96.
Also, there's a 52-minute Norwegian documentary from 1997, ALMOST TRUE: THE NOBLE ART OF FORGERY, on art forger Elmyr de Hory, one of the subjects of F FOR FAKE. It investigates Elmyr's claims of selling his fakes to major museums around the world. It manages to confirm one but then moves on to something else. It's kind of fascinating to see several of the people from F FOR FAKE 20-odd years later. It even uses some of the same footage of Elmyr and his circle of friends that we saw in F FOR FAKE. Curiously, the film never mentions F FOR FAKE, nor does it acknowledge it any way in the end credits, even though it can clearly be seen as a direct sequel to it.
Also, there's a 52-minute Norwegian documentary from 1997, ALMOST TRUE: THE NOBLE ART OF FORGERY, on art forger Elmyr de Hory, one of the subjects of F FOR FAKE. It investigates Elmyr's claims of selling his fakes to major museums around the world. It manages to confirm one but then moves on to something else. It's kind of fascinating to see several of the people from F FOR FAKE 20-odd years later. It even uses some of the same footage of Elmyr and his circle of friends that we saw in F FOR FAKE. Curiously, the film never mentions F FOR FAKE, nor does it acknowledge it any way in the end credits, even though it can clearly be seen as a direct sequel to it.
#366
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Out of curiosity I looked at youtube, and saw the Sabu Jungle Book available on there. I don't know how many other of the Sabu movies are on there though.
#367
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Found one that I ought to have hated, but instead really enjoyed - Une femme est une femme [A Woman Is a Woman]. From my Letterboxd diary:
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Une femme est une femme
-X- 1960 (1961)
-X- 201-250 (#238)
-X- Language: French
-X- Person: Anna Karina
-X- Person: Jean-Luc Godard
-X- Person: Jean-Paul Belmondo
-X- Person: Jeanne Moreau
-X- Person: Raoul Cotard
-X- Theme: French New Wave
-X- Essay: A Woman Is a Woman by J. Hoberman
1/10 List: Allison Anders's Top 10
1/10 Brie Larson's Top 10
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Spoiler:
Une femme est une femme
-X- 1960 (1961)
-X- 201-250 (#238)
-X- Language: French
-X- Person: Anna Karina
-X- Person: Jean-Luc Godard
-X- Person: Jean-Paul Belmondo
-X- Person: Jeanne Moreau
-X- Person: Raoul Cotard
-X- Theme: French New Wave
-X- Essay: A Woman Is a Woman by J. Hoberman
1/10 List: Allison Anders's Top 10
1/10 Brie Larson's Top 10
#368
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Just finished watching The Seventh Seal on Hulu. Very good movie, but at the same time, quite depressing with such focus on death throughout the movie.
On another note, while browsing other people's lists, I discovered another DVD I own is eligible for this challenge, The Princess Bride.
On another note, while browsing other people's lists, I discovered another DVD I own is eligible for this challenge, The Princess Bride.
#369
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
Just finished watching The Seventh Seal on Hulu. Very good movie, but at the same time, quite depressing with such focus on death throughout the movie.
On another note, while browsing other people's lists, I discovered another DVD I own is eligible for this challenge, The Princess Bride.
On another note, while browsing other people's lists, I discovered another DVD I own is eligible for this challenge, The Princess Bride.
#370
DVD Talk Platinum Edition
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I picked up the Blu for this a while ago but haven't had a chance to watch it. It was something I have planned to watch, though...hopefully I'll get to it by the end of the challenge. Been looking forward to seeing how it looks in HD.
#371
DVD Talk Gold Edition
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
When I saw that Criterion had officially added Nashville to the collection, I dragged out my old paramount barebones DVD (soon to be sold), What a phenomenal film! From the K-Tel Records opening credits sequence to the weird political background to the music, Altman's film really captures the zeitgeist of mid-70s America.
#372
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I watched Kenji Mizoguchi's THE LIFE OF OHARU, with Kinuyo Tanaka, for the challenge and was delighted with the chief extra on the disc, a documentary called "The Travels of Kinuyo Tanaka" about the actress's goodwill tour of the U.S. in 1949, comprised entirely of film footage (color and b&w) and stills of the trip. I was bowled over by the shots of her Hollywood tour where she got to meet stars and studio heads:



I was pretty astounded to learn of this trip, so I did a blog entry on it:
http://briandanacamp.wordpress.com



I was pretty astounded to learn of this trip, so I did a blog entry on it:
http://briandanacamp.wordpress.com
#373
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I've just finished Bridge on the River Kwai, and it is fantastic. What really struck me - and I presume this was quite deliberate - was how it managed to accurately and persuasively portray and argue two completely opposite sides of the same coin with considerable eloquence and sway. On the one hand, the 'rightness' of indomitability and the British Spirit, maintaining dignity and order and following the rules no matter what. And at the same time, pointing out in no uncertain terms the inherent absurdity and great problems in so doing.
On the first side, the Colonel clearly wins every battle he picks with his captor by sticking firmly to his sense of duty and law despite threats, starvation and inevitable death. On the other, there's the American officer who in the last third of the film gives a passionate mini-speech to another British officer in which he states starkly 'You're so busy trying to die like a Gentleman that you forget to live like a human being'. Similarly, Alec Guinness's Colonel has a moment of almost-self-doubt not long thereafter when he notes that he's been in the army for 28 years, and probably only been home for 10 months.
The sense of duty and rightness leads prisoners to help their captors - and the pride and honour in a job well done further has them rewrite the plans and work schedules to make it better. Watching this so soon after The Great Escape, with it's opening gambit that 'the duty of every officer is to escape' or otherwise stymy the enemy is particularly interesting.
Here, though, you have the British officer "leading them [the enemy] right to it [the sabotage]," out of a misguided (or is it?) sense of pride in his accomplishment of building a sturdy bridge in no time flat. "What Have I Done?", indeed.
It's a study in madness, pride, honour, decency; a clash of wills, and probably a pointed commentary on the decline of Empire and the erosion of precisely the kinds of Gentlemanly behaviour depicted so cleverly and accurately.
N.B. I realised while watching The Great Escape that, good as it was, I've been confusing/conflating it in my mind for years with The Wooden Horse... which I thought featured prominently here as an escape tunnel cover, but in fact did not. The Great Escape is another excellent war film - and packed full of notable actors giving brilliant performances. The other thing I'd completely forgotten - or been shielded from when younger - it quite how bleak it all is:
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#374
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Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I discovered that Criterion included a short film, Charlotte et Véronique, ou Tous les garçons s’appellent Patrick [All the Boys Are Called Patrick], as an extra on their DVD release of Une femme est une femme...and that the short is streaming in the HuluPlus library. From my Letterboxd diary:
Charlotte et Véronique, ou Tous les garçons s’appellent Patrick [All the Boys Are Called Patrick]
-X- Watch a supplemental short film
Spoiler:
Charlotte et Véronique, ou Tous les garçons s’appellent Patrick [All the Boys Are Called Patrick]
-X- Watch a supplemental short film
#375
Re: 5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
I watched Kenji Mizoguchi's THE LIFE OF OHARU, with Kinuyo Tanaka, for the challenge and was delighted with the chief extra on the disc, a documentary called "The Travels of Kinuyo Tanaka" about the actress's goodwill tour of the U.S. in 1949, comprised entirely of film footage (color and b&w) and stills of the trip. I was bowled over by the shots of her Hollywood tour where she got to meet stars and studio heads:



I was pretty astounded to learn of this trip, so I did a blog entry on it:
http://briandanacamp.wordpress.com



I was pretty astounded to learn of this trip, so I did a blog entry on it:
http://briandanacamp.wordpress.com
It seems the Asian studios were interested in having a little Hollywood glamor rub off on their stars, since there doesn't seem to have been much interest in Hollywood for these actors.
Hope to get to The Life of Oharu this weekend, and I'll be sure to watch The Travels of Kinuyo Tanaka sometime this month.



