5th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
#276
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Someone mentioned a little earlier today that they watched Evita and I realized that not only was it eligible but that I hadn't watched it in ages. So, since I didn't want to watch anything to in depth, I popped it in. I was glad to find out that I did still really enjoy it. I'm a sucker for musicals and this was no different. I did notice that Madonna did not make a young 16 year-old, this time round, but otherwise thought she did pretty good in the role.
Not tired yet, so I thought I'd watch The Last Holiday. I've owned this almost since it came out, but haven't watched it yet. Here's hoping I like it and my blind buy was a good one.
Not tired yet, so I thought I'd watch The Last Holiday. I've owned this almost since it came out, but haven't watched it yet. Here's hoping I like it and my blind buy was a good one.
#277
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I watched ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS tonight as a first-time viewing. I originally bought it simply because it's a film listed in Michael Weldon's PSYCHOTRONIC ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FILM, but I do remember that it was a favorite of my dad's. As I'm not much of a science fiction fan, I didn't think that it was incredible...but it was a pleasant-enough way to kill a couple of hours, and I laughed out loud when Kit addressed Friday as "Hey, retarded."
#278
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I finished up Last Holiday. Very good film, though I have to say I like the remake only because I like the more optimistic ending in that one. This one did make me tear up. Had a bit of a let down-totally thought this was an Eclipse title, but it's not-it's Essential Art House. Oh well, guess I'll have to watch something else for that check mark!
#279
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I have in my office a bunch of VHS tapes of foreign films, salvaged from a colleague who moved out. (GRAND ILLUSION, LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD, DIABOLIQUE, etc.) I'm sure some of these are eligible for this challenge, yet I couldn't find an official list of Criterion titles in the List Thread or this one. Is there such a list and will someone please provide a link to it? I can't be the only one needing such a list.
Thanks.
Thanks.
The pages are arranged by spine number, but bear in mind that you can re-sort them by year or title - even if "The" comes under "T" and other similar niggles occur - if it helps.
(I glance at Hulu, but don't have any subscription, so I ignore it for the most part... for watching purposes, though you can after some fiddling, filter it by "Criterion" and "Free". Not useful for VHS checking, but handy for last-resort streaming viewing.)
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#280
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After a few unproductive days in which I didn't watch any Criterions, I watched Le Trou last night. When I watched A Man Escaped last week, I thought it was close to a masterpiece in the genre, but Le Trou just blows that out of the water. It does such a good job of keeping up the tension throughout and really does a good job of putting you on the side of the inmates who are all at least somewhat bad guys since they are all facing long sentences. There are no nazis or other evil forces threatening these guys, only the prospect of time and a possible death sentence for one inmate are the real threat here yet the tension seems every bit as potent as in something like A Man Escaped.
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#281
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Someone mentioned a little earlier today that they watched Evita and I realized that not only was it eligible but that I hadn't watched it in ages. So, since I didn't want to watch anything to in depth, I popped it in. I was glad to find out that I did still really enjoy it. I'm a sucker for musicals and this was no different. I did notice that Madonna did not make a young 16 year-old, this time round, but otherwise thought she did pretty good in the role.
I finished up Last Holiday. Very good film, though I have to say I like the remake only because I like the more optimistic ending in that one. This one did make me tear up. Had a bit of a let down-totally thought this was an Eclipse title, but it's not-it's Essential Art House. Oh well, guess I'll have to watch something else for that check mark!
Spoiler:
#282
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I watched ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS tonight as a first-time viewing. I originally bought it simply because it's a film listed in Michael Weldon's PSYCHOTRONIC ENCYCLOPEDIA OF FILM, but I do remember that it was a favorite of my dad's. As I'm not much of a science fiction fan, I didn't think that it was incredible...but it was a pleasant-enough way to kill a couple of hours, and I laughed out loud when Kit addressed Friday as "Hey, retarded."
That's a *major* pet peeve of mine. The programming to alphabitize a display correctly is simple but most sites just don't seem to care. It really appears that "everyone" uses the same backend display engine/code since no site seems to alphabitize properly. I used to complain to sites that didn't bother with proper coding but it typically fell on deaf ears.
#283
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That was me! I think we've talked about our shared love of musicals in past challenge threads. If you have any interest in the subject matter, I read Nicholas Fraser's Evita: The Real Life of Eva Peron and found it fascinating.
Glad you enjoyed it! I love the original more than the Queen Latifah remake (though I till pretty much watch and enjoy anything with her in it). There are little observations in the film that are just so spot on;
Glad you enjoyed it! I love the original more than the Queen Latifah remake (though I till pretty much watch and enjoy anything with her in it). There are little observations in the film that are just so spot on;
Spoiler:
I'm not sure why I like musicals so much, but I always have since I was a kid. I'll have to look into that one. I've read a bit here and there but nothing too weighty on the subject of Eva Peron.I agree about that scene. I was watching it unfold and thinking about how often that happens. I was almost glad when they got egg on their faces, but very sad that that happened to George to do so.

Queen Latifah is underrated as an actress I think. While I haven't watched everything she's been in, what I have, I've really enjoyed. That being said, I don't think her remake of Last Holiday would have felt the same had she had the same fate as George. I'm glad they made it more optimistic as I don't think I would have gone on to watch the original as I'm not a fan of sad endings usually.
#284
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Thoroughly enjoyed The Lady Vanishes yesterday, even though it was in a very cheap version borrowed from the library. Then, after not really getting or following Gomorrah at all, and since Amazon had it available, I also watched Night Train to Munich... it came as something of a surprise to: a) notice that there were two Englishmen wittering about cricket in NTtM just as there were in TLV and then b) to become increasingly certain that they were the same two Englishmen!
Wikipedia confirms that the duo of Charters and Caldicott have a cross-film career, and the actors (Naunton Wayne and Basil Radford) played a double act in quite a few more - sometimes C&C, sometimes C&C analogues, and sometimes 'just' a duo.
So now I feel compelled to buy the newer release of The Lady Vanishes, since The Internet says it includes the fourth Charters and Caldicott film. The third appears to be available from Simply in the UK, but the fifth... appears not to exist. Wikipedia calls it "Secret Mission 609"; the IMDb says there's a Secret Mission (1942), but possibly not a "..#609." So that's a bit odd.
Wikipedia confirms that the duo of Charters and Caldicott have a cross-film career, and the actors (Naunton Wayne and Basil Radford) played a double act in quite a few more - sometimes C&C, sometimes C&C analogues, and sometimes 'just' a duo.
So now I feel compelled to buy the newer release of The Lady Vanishes, since The Internet says it includes the fourth Charters and Caldicott film. The third appears to be available from Simply in the UK, but the fifth... appears not to exist. Wikipedia calls it "Secret Mission 609"; the IMDb says there's a Secret Mission (1942), but possibly not a "..#609." So that's a bit odd.
#285
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Thoroughly enjoyed The Lady Vanishes yesterday, even though it was in a very cheap version borrowed from the library. Then, after not really getting or following Gomorrah at all, and since Amazon had it available, I also watched Night Train to Munich... it came as something of a surprise to: a) notice that there were two Englishmen wittering about cricket in NTtM just as there were in TLV and then b) to become increasingly certain that they were the same two Englishmen!
Wikipedia confirms that the duo of Charters and Caldicott have a cross-film career, and the actors (Naunton Wayne and Basil Radford) played a double act in quite a few more - sometimes C&C, sometimes C&C analogues, and sometimes 'just' a duo.
So now I feel compelled to buy the newer release of The Lady Vanishes, since The Internet says it includes the fourth Charters and Caldicott film. The third appears to be available from Simply in the UK, but the fifth... appears not to exist. Wikipedia calls it "Secret Mission 609"; the IMDb says there's a Secret Mission (1942), but possibly not a "..#609." So that's a bit odd.
Wikipedia confirms that the duo of Charters and Caldicott have a cross-film career, and the actors (Naunton Wayne and Basil Radford) played a double act in quite a few more - sometimes C&C, sometimes C&C analogues, and sometimes 'just' a duo.
So now I feel compelled to buy the newer release of The Lady Vanishes, since The Internet says it includes the fourth Charters and Caldicott film. The third appears to be available from Simply in the UK, but the fifth... appears not to exist. Wikipedia calls it "Secret Mission 609"; the IMDb says there's a Secret Mission (1942), but possibly not a "..#609." So that's a bit odd.
#286
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Quick question, I hope. Do silent films count for the language part of the check list? For instance, I watched "Haxan" which is a Dutch silent film. There are a ton of title cards all in Danish. Does this count? Or since it's not spoken, I should just use something else? I'm good either way, just curious.
I know Travis leans towards it not counting...
I know Travis leans towards it not counting...
#287
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I just finished watching IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES for probably the 3rd or 4th time. I know that the critical response to this film is pretty much split straight down the middle (Leonard Maltin's movie guide called it "pretentious"), but I find it fascinating. Donald Ritchie's essay in the booklet is certainly worth a read, as he details very precisely why the film shouldn't be considered pornography.
I know first-hand that it still hasn't been seen uncut in Japan, as I bought a VHS tape of the movie when I lived there 10 years ago, and any instance of genitalia onscreen is blurred out. The tape flaunts the title AI NO CORRIDA 2000, and it was the first instance of the film being released in Japan "intact," in that no scenes were completely cut out as had happened with all previous releases. Still, with the subject matter being what it is, viewing the tape is somewhat analogous to watching PAWN STARS with all the items brought in for pawning being blurred out. You get the gist of it, but the focus has been shifted off-center.
Oddly enough (and I just pulled out the tape to verify it), the deleted scenes that show up on the Criterion disc have been integrated into the Japanese tape. I guess that Oshima decided to release his original cut in Japan, since the country was getting hosed on the nudity.
I know first-hand that it still hasn't been seen uncut in Japan, as I bought a VHS tape of the movie when I lived there 10 years ago, and any instance of genitalia onscreen is blurred out. The tape flaunts the title AI NO CORRIDA 2000, and it was the first instance of the film being released in Japan "intact," in that no scenes were completely cut out as had happened with all previous releases. Still, with the subject matter being what it is, viewing the tape is somewhat analogous to watching PAWN STARS with all the items brought in for pawning being blurred out. You get the gist of it, but the focus has been shifted off-center.
Oddly enough (and I just pulled out the tape to verify it), the deleted scenes that show up on the Criterion disc have been integrated into the Japanese tape. I guess that Oshima decided to release his original cut in Japan, since the country was getting hosed on the nudity.
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#288
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***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
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#289
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I watched that for the first time during last year's Criterion challenge. I'm with you and Donald Richie about it. It wound up being my #7 film of the year last year. Here's what I had to say about it when I saw it. From my Letterboxd diary:
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
***SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL***
Of course, not every film that features a love scene would need for it to be graphically shown, but it's a little sad that that particular option has been pretty much totally taken off the table. Sure, films like THE DEVIL IS A WOMAN and THE BROWN BUNNY come along every once in a while to stir the waters a bit, but generally speaking, explicit sex and mainstream Hollywood cinema still live in two separate and distinct neighborhoods. In fact, the only film that I think even comes close to IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES in its ability to integrate explicit sex into a non-pornographic story is SHORTBUS, and I have my doubts as to the true intent behind the film's sex scenes. Still, SHORTBUS seems to be an attempt to continue the ideals set forth by IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES, and you've got to give it credit for trying something so daring in our current repressive zeitgeist.
It'll be interesting to see how far FIFTY SHADES OF GREY pushes this particular envelope.
#290
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I took a break from this challenge while I was without internet access, but plan to resume tonight. I know I could have watched DVDs and found some way to keep track of them, but I like to list as I watch if possible.
Also quick question, do all special features count for this challenge, or just special features that are on Criterion discs?
Also quick question, do all special features count for this challenge, or just special features that are on Criterion discs?
#291
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I've not seen Shortbus, but I'm acquainted with its reputation. I would certainly count Dogtooth as a peer of In the Realm of the Senses. At some point last year, I emailed some title requests to Criterion and that was one of them.
#292
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Partway through El Cid... El Cid (Charlton Heston) is called traitor for sparing enemy lives, and getting them to swear fealty to his King. Later, the King tells El Cid to make sure his son knows that it is the duty of a Prince/King to bring peace, not war...
Meanwhile, the Library has the 'wrong' Body Snatchers, so that's out. They also have a different Browning Version. Oh well!
Meanwhile, the Library has the 'wrong' Body Snatchers, so that's out. They also have a different Browning Version. Oh well!
#293
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#294
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Well, never mind. I just checked, and it's streaming for free on Amazon Prime. I'll check it out that way and let you know my thoughts on it. Give me a few days, though.
#295
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That's a pretty good question. The ruling isn't mine to make, but I can see the argument for and against it. Whether produced by Criterion or not, it still broadens your understanding of the film in some way - which is the spirit of that sub-section as I understand it. On the other hand, one could argue that the spirit of the challenge overall is to celebrate and explore what "The Criterion Treatment" means. (If we're taking votes, I cast mine in favor of it.)
Trailers, of course, are trailers regardless of where you find them. Criterion.com has quite a few, which I've found handy since the first eight movies I watched for the challenge were streamed from Amazon and therefore did not include trailers or any other kind of bonus content. It's certainly no different than reading an essay on the website instead of getting hold of the insert booklet from a disc edition.
Incidentally, the bonus content on some Criterion editions overlaps with other editions. Just this morning, I noted that Criterion ported over most of the original DVD bonus features for Being John Malkovich.
As for me, I streamed In Which We Serve over the weekend and then I gorged on my friend's Criterion edition DVD of Rushmore. I've elected to write up my full reviews of those for Flickchart, so at present I don't have anything in my Letterboxd diary about either. I'll dash off some remarks about each later, though.
#296
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I don't think that I'd heard of DOGTOOTH until your post. I just added the Blu-ray to my Netflix queue.
Well, never mind. I just checked, and it's streaming for free on Amazon Prime. I'll check it out that way and let you know my thoughts on it. Give me a few days, though.
Well, never mind. I just checked, and it's streaming for free on Amazon Prime. I'll check it out that way and let you know my thoughts on it. Give me a few days, though.
#297
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I watched four films in the Up All Night with Robert Downey Sr. / Eclipse Set (#33): BABO 73, CHAFED ELBOWS, NO MORE EXCUSES and PUTNEY SWOPE. I'd seen two of them (ELBOWS/PUTNEY) back in the day. The first three are freewheeling short films (each under an hour) that were products of their time and might have been funny back then but are something of a chore today. BABO is the earliest (1964) film I've seen where someone says "fuck." There's a toddler in ELBOWS who I believe is Robert Downey Jr.
PUTNEY SWOPE is one I saw a number of times back then and parts of it are seared in my consciousness and watching those scenes again was like I'd seen them yesterday. Other parts I'd completely forgotten about (how could I have forgotten the bouncing slow-mo semi-nude stewardesses?). We thought it was hilarious back then. Today? Well, I confess I still laughed in certain places, because the humor was so obvious. I wonder how younger audiences would react when seeing this for the first time today. I still found it compelling, chiefly because it had such a no-holds-barred comic approach to racial humor. Something like this would never get made today. Part of it is that the commercials made by Swope's agency were so outrageous at the time that we laughed, simply at the notion of someone making a commercial like that back then. Now they might not seem so outrageous. For instance, the interracial Face-Off pimple cream commercial is still hilarious to me, although I wonder how a younger person would react. (The girl in it, Shelley Plimpton, is Martha Plimpton's mother, and the guy in it, Ronnie Dyson, was a "Hair" alumnus and future pop star.)
The fifth Downey film in the set, TWO TONS OF TURQUOISE TO TAOS TONIGHT, which I saw when it was shown as JIVE at a film festival in the late 1970s, is pretty unwatchable. I started it but stopped.
One of the advantages of the Downey set is that the films are all so short. I have a real hard time with longer films this month. I tried watching Mizoguchi's THE LIFE OF OHARU (136 min.) over the weekend, first on Saturday and again on Sunday and couldn't get through more than 30 minutes without nodding out. Sure, it's slow and stately, but I just don't have the energy needed, even though I'd started in the early afternoon. Bresson's A MAN ESCAPED is 100 min. and yet it took me three sessions to finish it. I've got Bresson's PICKPOCKET (75 min.) slated next. I have a funny feeling that 75 min. may be too long in this case.
Last night, I put in a Zatoichi movie simply because I knew it would be undemanding (and under 90 min.). I still fell asleep during it but I finished it when I woke up (around 4:30 AM!). It turns out to be one of the weaker Zatoichi movies. (Check my list, post #7, in the list thread.)
PUTNEY SWOPE is one I saw a number of times back then and parts of it are seared in my consciousness and watching those scenes again was like I'd seen them yesterday. Other parts I'd completely forgotten about (how could I have forgotten the bouncing slow-mo semi-nude stewardesses?). We thought it was hilarious back then. Today? Well, I confess I still laughed in certain places, because the humor was so obvious. I wonder how younger audiences would react when seeing this for the first time today. I still found it compelling, chiefly because it had such a no-holds-barred comic approach to racial humor. Something like this would never get made today. Part of it is that the commercials made by Swope's agency were so outrageous at the time that we laughed, simply at the notion of someone making a commercial like that back then. Now they might not seem so outrageous. For instance, the interracial Face-Off pimple cream commercial is still hilarious to me, although I wonder how a younger person would react. (The girl in it, Shelley Plimpton, is Martha Plimpton's mother, and the guy in it, Ronnie Dyson, was a "Hair" alumnus and future pop star.)
The fifth Downey film in the set, TWO TONS OF TURQUOISE TO TAOS TONIGHT, which I saw when it was shown as JIVE at a film festival in the late 1970s, is pretty unwatchable. I started it but stopped.
One of the advantages of the Downey set is that the films are all so short. I have a real hard time with longer films this month. I tried watching Mizoguchi's THE LIFE OF OHARU (136 min.) over the weekend, first on Saturday and again on Sunday and couldn't get through more than 30 minutes without nodding out. Sure, it's slow and stately, but I just don't have the energy needed, even though I'd started in the early afternoon. Bresson's A MAN ESCAPED is 100 min. and yet it took me three sessions to finish it. I've got Bresson's PICKPOCKET (75 min.) slated next. I have a funny feeling that 75 min. may be too long in this case.
Last night, I put in a Zatoichi movie simply because I knew it would be undemanding (and under 90 min.). I still fell asleep during it but I finished it when I woke up (around 4:30 AM!). It turns out to be one of the weaker Zatoichi movies. (Check my list, post #7, in the list thread.)
#298
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As for me, I streamed In Which We Serve over the weekend and then I gorged on my friend's Criterion edition DVD of Rushmore. I've elected to write up my full reviews of those for Flickchart, so at present I don't have anything in my Letterboxd diary about either. I'll dash off some remarks about each later, though.
I think Anderson's films polarize his fans. I have friends who champion Rushmore over his other films and/or find The Darjeeling Limited to be "unwatchable". And I couldn't disagree more! I've had conversations where we have to pause to reaffirm that everyone involved loves Anderson before returning to our arguments. Interestingly, I've never meet anyone who absolutely loves all of his films.
#299
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I've watched a few movies since I last posted: Haxan, which was an interesting watch. I was surprised at how the 20s version of the witch hunts/trials matched today's thoughts on it; Seven Samurai, which I'm glad to get off my list of shame. I enjoyed it, which honestly surprised me. I doubt I'll make it an annual viewing but it wasn't as hard to get through as I thought it would be. Finally, I watched La Cage aux Folles. This was a re-watch mainly because I'm struggling to find movies eligible for the "explore people" section of the checklist. I like the movie, but am trying to get as many first time viewings as I can in. I do enjoy this one, mainly because of the plot. How many people wish that their family would pretend to be something different? This is why that would never work!
#300
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Also, I remember why I dislike long films: you think maybe you're getting near the end, and then it flashes up "The Saga Continues On Disc Two" instead...!



