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Old 07-28-13 | 09:57 PM
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For a Kaiju, Archive.org has Monster From a Prehistoric Planet which also qualifies as "Prehistoric" for a 2-fer. Hulu has Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah (1991) for free viewing.

Another 2-fer is Prisoners Of The Lost Universe (1983) at Archive.org which is "Prehistoric" and takes place in a parallel universe so could be considered "Alternate History."

Prehistoric: Several titles on Archive.org - Voyage to the Prehistoric Planet, Voyage to the Planet of Prehistoric Women

For "Martial Arts Fantasy" there's Return of the Kung Fu Dragon, also at Archive.org.

I'd think you've seen at least one Star Trek episode that deals with "First Contact"... Hmmm... "Balance of Terror" from S1 is the first time the Federation has seen the Romulans, "The Menagerie" saw first contact with the Telosians, "The Devil in the Dark" is first contact with the Horta, and you might get to "The Tholian Web" tonight which is also a first contact episode.
Thanks for these. I will have to check those out! I think I've been under the impression that you can't really use TV shows for the checklist, but why not? That would definitely help...
Old 07-29-13 | 02:11 AM
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Unofficially you're free to watch as much sci fi as you want all year round. Just the list thread won't be stickied.
I would love to find out that one person has been updating their original challenge list all these years, wondering why everyone else has abandoned the project.

Originally Posted by Gobear
I watched Cloud Atlas, so awesome in its scope that I didn't even notice that it runs for 3 hours. To quote Roger Ebert, "Even as I was watching "Cloud Atlas" the first time, I knew I would need to see it again." The individual stories are brilliantly acted and directed, with the same actors portraying different characters in each segment; I'm just unsure of the larger aims of the film as a whole. I do know that it is brilliant, visionary film-making that puts the Wachowskis next to Kubrick and Tarkovsky.

Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance is the opposite of Cloud Atlas in every way; loud, stupid, and vulgar.
Yeah, Cloud Atlas a fantastic film, and I would wholeheartedly recommend the novel! I just finished it last week and was blown away again. Cannot wait to watch the film again.

I haven't seen the new Ghost Rider and probably won't. I saw the first one after getting drunk after a particularly awful day. A friend took me to the movies because I didn't want to go home, and that was the only movie with an available showtime. Thankfully, we were the only ones in the theater, because I couldn't help commenting on how horrible it was. I'm allows very courteous when at the movies, but it was too bad, and I was too drunk to comprehend the badness.
Old 07-29-13 | 04:05 AM
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Thanks for these. I will have to check those out! I think I've been under the impression that you can't really use TV shows for the checklist, but why not? That would definitely help...
Yep... TV can be used for the checklist. From post #1 (in the spoiler tag for the checklist):
Watching enough shorts or TV to count as one entry, you can use that one entry as a check on the checklist, as long as each of them count for whatever you're checking.
So just pick a couple of those TOS episodes and you're good!
Old 07-29-13 | 05:32 AM
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The Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court was the 2nd watch. It was an hour long TV movie from 1952 where Boris Karloff plays King Arthur. It was OK, but very theatrical. Also, the copy I have is pretty awful looking. Sometimes it was hard to make out what was on the screen.
I believe that what you watched was a live broadcast of a TV presentation of the Rodgers & Hart musical based on the Twain novel. So what you most likely watched was a Kinescope, i.e. a film record of the broadcast made by filming (in 16mm) directly off of a TV screen as it was performed live. And if the print you saw was a copy of a copy of a copy (esp. if it was on a Mill Creek set), then you got the result you saw.
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I believe that what you watched was a live broadcast of a TV presentation of the Rodgers & Hart musical based on the Twain novel. So what you most likely watched was a Kinescope, i.e. a film record of the broadcast made by filming (in 16mm) directly off of a TV screen as it was performed live. And if the print you saw was a copy of a copy of a copy (esp. if it was on a Mill Creek set), then you got the result you saw.
That makes a lot of sense. It wasn't Mill Creek, but it was a 15 pack: Great Cinema.
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I still haven't seen Total Recall, but that description alone is enough to convince me you're right!
Looks a lot like this...

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/11332602-post55.html

Old 07-29-13 | 04:50 PM
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Leaving on my vacation in a couple hours. So except for what I can find on Youtube, or possibly the History Channel App I put on my IPod, I'm pretty much done with the sci fi challenge. I know youtube has some movies and shows, and the History Channel App -may- have Ancient Aliens or UFO Hunters. I'm taking a Greyhound to a big week long airshow, and greyhound has wifi on their buses, and my campground has wifi as well, so I will be able to access the net through my Ipod.

I get back saturday morning, so will probably draw for prizes sometime saturday or sunday.
Old 07-29-13 | 05:54 PM
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Hope you have a stress-free vacation! Thanks for hosting.
Old 07-29-13 | 06:12 PM
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Have a great time on vacation!
Old 07-29-13 | 08:11 PM
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For a nice accompaniment to this challenge's close, check out the latest episode of the Filmspotting podcast. They review Pacific Rim and give their Top 5 Robots. Good listen.
Old 07-29-13 | 08:24 PM
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I did not know that Kevin Durand plays Joshua on Dark Angel. I've been watching season 2 and just happened to check imdb on the show.

I just saw him in Fruitvale Station today as well.
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Found a feature length documentary that I had recorded back in May called Star Trek: Secrets discussing the science of Star Trek. It was sort of building that discussion around the making of the new Star Trek movie. Anyway, I watched it today, so I was able to check off a documentary after all. Although, Captains was also recorded today, so I may end up watching that as well.
Old 07-30-13 | 02:09 AM
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I watched The Golden Child today on Netflix--such a great film. I have no idea why it bombed at the box office. I saw it when it came out and I still really like it. Hard to believe now, but Eddie Murphy used to be a terrific action star.
Old 07-30-13 | 02:17 AM
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I watched The Golden Child today on Netflix--such a great film. I have no idea why it bombed at the box office. I saw it when it came out and I still really like it.
I remember my dad renting that on VHS. My half-brother loved it. I only saw a little of it. I think I fell asleep partway into it. That's one of a few movies that make me think of him. The other key ones are Big Trouble in Little China, Howard the Duck and Little Shop of Horrors. I dig all three of those, but I'm certain it isn't because of the connotation of being reminded of him.

Hard to believe now, but Eddie Murphy used to be a terrific action star.
I saw a report earlier that he's apparently wanting to do another Beverly Hills Cop movie, so he's probably hoping it isn't that hard to believe now!
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Found a feature length documentary that I had recorded back in May called Star Trek: Secrets discussing the science of Star Trek. It was sort of building that discussion around the making of the new Star Trek movie. Anyway, I watched it today, so I was able to check off a documentary after all. Although, Captains was also recorded today, so I may end up watching that as well.
Watched that on H2 a couple days ago.
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Originally Posted by Gobear
I watched The Golden Child today on Netflix--such a great film. I have no idea why it bombed at the box office. I saw it when it came out and I still really like it. Hard to believe now, but Eddie Murphy used to be a terrific action star.
That's just a cool little film and I don't know what it bombed either (as I read your post, all of the quotes I remember from this film came rushing into my head). I haven't seen it in years...maybe I'll see if Amazon has it available.
Old 07-30-13 | 07:32 AM
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Just thought I'd send a post while I'm killing time waiting for my next bus. Already been hit up by someone for money and my phone that I just charged yesterday is dead already. Up side I found some sci fi cartoons on YouTube I can watch later. Thought about putting DVDs on my iPod but it is only 8 gb and I'd have to clear a lot of music just to put one or two movies on.
Old 07-30-13 | 07:39 AM
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I'm pretty far behind on posting my remarks about what I've been watching, but mostly I've only been focusing on Star Trek so there really isn't much to be said that everyone in this thread probably hasn't already observed anyway.

After yet another screwed up day of feeling miserable and alternately sleeping away half the day and then not being able to fall back asleep like a normal person, I decided to revisit The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen this morning. I'm not going to finish the checklist at all, but I decided to go for the commentary track mark anyway. From my Letterboxd diary:
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When I first saw trailers for The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, it seemed potentially interesting. I was unaware at the time it was based on an Alan Moore comic book, but I liked the concept. Sean Connery was a draw, too. But like so many, I was dissuaded by such bad word of mouth that I passed on it. Then in May 2008, I checked out the trade paperback collected edition of the original comic and found I quite liked the source material. A year later on Free Comic Book Day 2009, I found the film on DVD at The Great Escape and took the chance on it.

Earlier this year, I wrote a piece for Flickchart entitled "Who Told You That Movie Sucked?" in which I discussed the nature of movies whose reputations were soured before anyone ever saw them because of distracting attention paid to externalities. In retrospect, I probably should have included The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in that piece.

Much of the pre-release negativity had to do with on-set conflicts between Connery and director Stephen Norrington. The perception quickly became that production was an out of control mess from which nothing resembling even an "average" film could possibly emerge. The film has the dubious distinction of being known as not just Connery's final film, but the movie that he hated making so much that it made him quit making movies entirely.

I wasn't there for the production, but I've seen the film and truthfully, it's a whole lot better than its reputation. The narrative is focused, the pace is brisk, the cast is solid with nice chemistry, and the sets and costumes are all truly impressive. Admittedly, the reveal of the true villainous plot feels shoehorned in at the end but even that mostly works because that's where the lion's share of the action takes place.

One way in which The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen stands out in retrospect is contrasting it with two Marvel Comics movies made later. The League creation is strikingly similar to the team-building in Marvel's The Avengers, whereas the villain's plot - and part of the finale - is almost identical to that of The Incredible Hulk. I wasn't very conscious of these parallels when I watched the two Marvel films, but it was blatantly obvious to me as I re-watched The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen this time.

For this second viewing of the film, I elected to watch it with one of its two commentary tracks. However, I wanted to also follow along with the film itself so I played it with the subtitles. I wish I had thought to do that more often when playing commentary tracks.

Commentary by Producers Don Murphy and Trevor Albert and Actors Shane West, Jason Flemyng and Tony Curran

I'm not a fan of group commentary tracks where different parties are recorded separately and then edited together. One of the reasons for this is that there's no actual conversation between parties, meaning no one is prompting anyone else. Thankfully, actors Jayson Fleming and Tony Curran were recorded together and clearly enjoyed not only making the film, but chatting about it. They shared a few little anecdotes about Connery that were amusing. To be honest, I wish they'd had an entire commentary track to themselves.

The other primary reason I'm not big on spliced-together commentary tracks is repetition. Inevitably, each party will think to talk at different times about things already covered by someone else. Much was made by all commenters, for instance, of the flooding in Prague during production. It became tedious, largely because all anyone had to say was that it happened, it was the worst flooding in the area in a very long time and that the Nautilus set was ironically under water.

Still, I did appreciate the remarks from producers Don Murphy and Trevor Albert about things like how Fox's insistence on a PG-13 rating inhibited the film from really going for its potential and how many elements of the production were practical rather than digital. There are also some well-reasoned rebuttals against fan nitpicks about some of the film's tweaks, such as the addition of the car and the age of Tom Sawyer.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #321/1539
That seems pretty high to me, but that's where the ranking process took it!

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-X- Watch a film with commentary - The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (Commentary by Producers Don Murphy and Trevor Albert and Actors Shane West, Jason Flemyng and Tony Curran)
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-X- Comic Book (Based upon the graphic novel by Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill)
Old 07-30-13 | 10:30 AM
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I'm on track to finish all 100 episodes of Fringe by Wednesday.
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I'm on track to finish all 100 episodes of Fringe by Wednesday.
Fringe! That's ANOTHER one I didn't get to! Sheesh! Did I accomplish anything this month???
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I quite enjoyed A Scanner Darkly. Didn't think I was going to, but it was a Phillip K. Dick selection and it was on Encore Avenue yesterday, so I thought, 'what the heck?'.

The rotoscoping (or whatever it is called) was kinda cool. I think it is the first movie I've seen done that way. The story was good, in that it kept you guessing what was going on until the end and left it a little ambiguous. I wonder why I didn't hear more about this movie when it came out. It has a 7.0 rating on IMDB, which these days seems to be pretty good.
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Does anyone know exactly when the overlap with the animation challenge starts? I think I'll do Titan A.E. I didn't realize the screenplay was written by Joss Whedon.

He could almost be on the checklist by now
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Does anyone know exactly when the overlap with the animation challenge starts?
In my household? With all the anime sci-fi I've been watching this month? It started on July 1st!
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After yet another screwed up day of feeling miserable and alternately sleeping away half the day and then not being able to fall back asleep like a normal person, I decided to revisit The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen this morning. I'm not going to finish the checklist at all, but I decided to go for the commentary track mark anyway.
I have an odd relationship with League. On one hand, I cannot forgive the film for not drawing more inspiration from the spirit and story of the source material. The film should have been an R-rated onslaught of gothic visuals and meta-literary references, a mishmash of Robert Rodriguez's Sin City and the filmography of Wes Anderson. The film disappoints me on almost all levels of filmmaking and storytelling. However, I will watch it when it is on and will enjoy the hell out of it, and I'm not sure why! While watching, I forgot my qualms and just settle in for the ride.

I read your article "Who Told You That Movie Sucked?" which was quite interesting. As someone who often doesn't read much about contemporary film production, I often get the horror stories after watching the films, while doing research. It really frustrates me when someone goes into a film wanting to dislike it for reasons beyond what is on the screen. I loved your inclusion of John Carter, a sci-fi epic that should have spawned a franchise. I came out of the film eager to discuss the sweeping narrative and the majestic visuals. My family did not agree with me. Then the Internet disagreed with me. But I stand by the film; it is a clear love letter to Burrough's stories.
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I decided to revisit The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen this morning...
I almost wanted to, but a) couldn't find it, b) ran out of time and c) ...I'm wary.

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
When I first saw trailers for The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, it seemed potentially interesting. I was unaware at the time it was based on an Alan Moore comic book, but I liked the concept. Sean Connery was a draw, too. But like so many, I was dissuaded by such bad word of mouth that I passed on it. Then in May 2008, I checked out the trade paperback collected edition of the original comic and found I quite liked the source material. A year later on Free Comic Book Day 2009, I found the film on DVD at The Great Escape and took the chance on it.
I was a big fan of the source material, so I saw it despite the word-of-mouth and negativity.

The major problem then (and I'm curious to see if I agree with myself in retrospect) was that it diverged so much from the source. What did you think about that aspect of it? [Specifically, Allan being "in charge," Mina being a vampire, Tom Sawyer being anywhere near it, Dorian being in it, the villain being different, etc.]

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
Earlier this year, I wrote a piece for Flickchart entitled "Who Told You That Movie Sucked?" in which I discussed the nature of movies whose reputations were soured before anyone ever saw them because of distracting attention paid to externalities. In retrospect, I probably should have included The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen in that piece.
Again, I haven't seen it in several years, but I would challenge that assertion - people said it sucked, and it did. Disappointingly, and for a variety of in-front and behind the camera reasons, but it was VERY messy. Again, though, I wonder if that opinion isn't coloured by enjoying the original comics.

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Much of the pre-release negativity had to do with on-set conflicts between Connery and director Stephen Norrington. The perception quickly became that production was an out of control mess from which nothing resembling even an "average" film could possibly emerge. The film has the dubious distinction of being known as not just Connery's final film, but the movie that he hated making so much that it made him quit making movies entirely.
And the director. Norrington hasn't done anything since - and although he 'came out of retirement' to do two or three things, neither of them panned out for whatever reason. Plus there's the additional pre-release issues of a (deeply curious/spurious) plagiarism lawsuit, repeated troubles between the producers/filmmakers and Alan Moore and the trailer giving away the main (only) twist. Nevermind that the character lists made many people (mostly fans, in fairness) very wary, and mostly for reasons that seemed justified post-release.

And in addition to the conflict between Norrington and Connery, there was Connery's reason for even signing on (passed on Lord of the Rings and Matrix due to 'not understanding' them, so jumped at the equally-incomprehensible(!!!!) "LXG") which raised many red flags. And in the UK, Sir Sean was interviewed by Michael Parkinson and the - ostensibly-serious - clip they showed from LXG was met with gales of laughter to the clear fury of Connery. Oh, and minor-ly, the title was shortened to "LXG"...

Originally Posted by Travis McClain
I wasn't there for the production, but I've seen the film and truthfully, it's a whole lot better than its reputation.
Not terribly difficult..! I think the main problems for many fans of the original stemmed from the same annoyance that has plagued DC and been dealt with wonderfully by Marvel: adapting a particular fan-favourite thing and changing everything good about it! It might as well have been Cast of Characters for all the (un)similarities to League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Quatermain is super-heroic; Mina is Vampiric; Sawyer is there; the villain is odd and poorly handled; Nemo has a car...

Mind you, many British people took against the film when the first(ish) shot of a policeman says "Cor Blimey, Bloody Hell" is the worst excuse for a badly-delivered shoehorned-in "British-ism" in any film I can remember.

It's hard to articulate further the disappointment between comic and screen, but the film is a poor man's superhero-y Victorian-esque era sub-Justice League; the comic is a Wold Newtonian literary shared world with flawed characters dealing with fantastic plotlines.


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