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Old 07-20-13 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by shellebelle
Yep, Tarfrimmer was reading it also. We both finished the second book in the series also. And I highly recommend the books. Yes, they are for young adults, but they hold up for ancient grown-ups like myself! I'm looking forward to finishing this series and moving on to Riordan's other series.
I love these books! I originally picked up the first so that I could give an honest recommendation (I was a bookseller at that point) and instead, I read the first 4 in a week. I then had to wait a year for the 5th to come out!

I've read 2 of the Red Pyramid ones and they were good, but haven't read the sequels to Percy Jackson yet, though.

Finished the first season of ST:TOS with Travis and are well on our way through the 2nd. I am enjoying these. I would have sworn I'd watched them all at one point or another but so many I don't remember so it's like watching for the first time. It's fun to see the things that become cliche and see why they are, but at the same time, I think some of it is exaggerated. (Kirk flirts a lot, but he really doesn't end up with love interests in EVERY episode.)

I love the colors. They are so bright and pop. They really took advantage of the color spectrum.

I have also been watching a few movies here and there. Last one was "Total Recall," the original one. It was better than I remember, though bloodier. The rat they shot, probably couldn't have had as much blood as ended up on the computer screen. Also, the ending bits with their faces was a bit too fakey for me. But, it's a decent flick.
Old 07-20-13 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by shellebelle
Yep, Tarfrimmer was reading it also. We both finished the second book in the series also. And I highly recommend the books. Yes, they are for young adults, but they hold up for ancient grown-ups like myself! I'm looking forward to finishing this series and moving on to Riordan's other series.
I've never checked out Riordan's books. I need to do that at some point. I watched the Percy Jackson film with my sister and mostly enjoyed it despite some character and visual choices that drove me crazy. I suspect the book is better.

I need to finish up Heather Brewer's The Chronicles of Vladimir Tod series as well as Stewart & Riddell's The Edge Chronicles. I think both would make good television miniseries of even feature films.
Old 07-20-13 | 04:02 PM
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It really gets to the point of distinction between "science-fiction" and "sci-fi", I think. I'm not passionate enough about the subject to really debate it, but I think that's where something like Dr. No fits under the umbrella.
I tend to like those kind of debates' so I'll muse on that offline.

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I counted Die Another Day as a Wild Card in 2011.
That, I can definitely see sliding into the fringes of Sci-Fi-proper.

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For me, a true "spy" story would be something like le Carre's The Spy Who Came In from the Cold or Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. Bond movies are much more fantastic in scope and use of technology.
I certainly agree that there are "true" spy things (e.g. Sandbaggers, Rubicon) which feel accurate, could be (broadly) 'fact'-based, and may even have as much failure and setback as success, etc. (Hence, I'd put the Bond films in "Action/Adventure" first and foremost.)

But then I would probably put Bond/Bourne/whomever on a sub-level between "true" and "spy-fi" (e.g. Avengers, Six Million Dollar Man, Prisoner). I would personally downplay the gadgets of Bond and, say, Matt Helm and Mission: Impossible and instead focus on the semi-"fantasy" of a near-invincible superspy.

Now that you've got me started, I'm tempted to go with these levels of Spy fiction:
  • "Spy" - e.g. George Smiley
  • "Super-spy" - e.g. James Bond
  • "Spy-fi" - e.g. Chuck

That said, I may be alone - Wikipedia has "Spy-fi" defined as:
whose mission is a showcase of science fiction elements such as technology and ideas used for extortion, plots for world domination or world destruction, futuristic weapons, gadgets and fast vehicles that can travel on land, fly, or sail on or under the sea. Spy-fi does not necessarily present espionage as it is practiced in reality. It is escapist fantasy that emphasizes glamour, adventure and derring-do.
..and Bond is definitely listed. Not just for the gadgets, but the world domination themes, travel ("...travel?") and escapism.

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Dr. No is my friend's favorite Bond movie. A few years ago when he went to Emerald City Comic Con in Seattle, he got to see On Her Majesty's Secret Service. We've agreed we wish we could trade our experiences. (We've seen From Russia with Love and Goldfinger together; the latter in a once-in-a-lifetime screening at Fort Knox in 2007!)
Goldfinger at Fort Knox! That must have been something...

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He's a working class, everyweekend dad. To be honest, he seemed to make a stronger effort than a lot of such guys I know. It never occurred to me that Ray is unlikeable.
That may not be the right word... but, really. He does not get on with his son at all, and acts like a child towards him; he doesn't know his own daughter is allergic to peanuts. His primary mission - as the son rightly points out - is not to save his children, but to dump them back with their mother! He (albeit pragmatically) steals a car, and then later kills* the loudmouth rather than, say, leave.

He's a "lad" who shuns responsibility and who happens to have children, and really seems not to be too happy about it. That to me suggested (a term like) "unlikeable".


*Offscreen, and "allegedly".
Old 07-20-13 | 04:09 PM
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You'll have to wait and watch it during the next Oscar Challenge but Cruise is certainly not the hero in Collateral though if you're aiming for sci-fi/fantasy, Cruise plays Lestat is a total ass in Interview with a Vampire (as he should since that's how the character was written).
Thanks, and you're right: I do need to watch Vampire. It just struck me as odd - but clever, "realistic" and very well-done - that THE HERO was not a particulalry nice or heroic person. And not so much in the sense of 'unlikely hero', which is obviously a staple of films, but - and this may be why I plumped for the term - unlikeable hero.

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The Captains was quite interesting. I kinda wish they had spent more time with the actors but what can you do. I think Avery Brooks was totally playing Shatner as Brooks has always seemed far more grounded the few times I've seen him at cons than he comes off in the film. Bakula was far too kind during the discussion of why Enterprise didn't work: we all know it was the bad writing.
I'll have to add some thoughts when/if I can fit this in, too.

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It makes me want to finally watch Quantum Leap since I've only seen one or two episodes.
I've only seen half a dozen, but I definitely second your suggestion. It's good. (Make sure you get the right region-ed sets so the music is hacked about as little as possible.)
Old 07-20-13 | 04:15 PM
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Would a Van Damme movie (Timecop) count as a martial arts film?
There isn't all that much Martial Arts in that film. I would be more inclined (and have in the past) used it for the "movie in the future but that year has already passed" category.

JMO of course.
Old 07-20-13 | 06:32 PM
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Goldfinger at Fort Knox! That must have been something...
It was part of the Alamo Drafthouse's Rolling Roadshow Tour. They had an inflatable screen set up at this little playground literally across the street from the gold depository building. Look to the right, there's the movie. Look to the left and there's all the gold. It was surreal.

That may not be the right word... but, really. He does not get on with his son at all, and acts like a child towards him;
A lot of parents define themselves by being the authority figure. When a teen becomes defiant, they react by trying to reassert their power by domination. Plus, he's now competing with his ex-wife's new husband just to remain relevant to his kids. That can be a lot of pressure.

Look at the scene where they're playing catch. It's Ray who initiates it, trying to connect with his son as best he knows how. It's the son who has taken up the Red Sox as his team - a clear act of not just defiance, but treason! They throw increasingly hard at one another trying to make a point. It's a typical father/son dynamic.

Then refer to the scene where he finds out his son crashed his car. His only reaction is to confirm that his son is okay. There's obvious worry and concern. Even when he later grounds his son, it's only half-hearted. Ray realizes bigger things are happening than just his son crashing his car, even if he doesn't yet know what they are.

he doesn't know his own daughter is allergic to peanuts.
Point: you.

His primary mission - as the son rightly points out - is not to save his children, but to dump them back with their mother!
That's what his son believes, but I don't. Ray is in over his head. He knows his ex-wife and her new husband have their act together a whole lot more than he does. I've always interpreted it that Ray is just as scared and is trying to get to where he thinks they all have their best chance at survival.

He intended to remain at their house and wait for them rather than to immediately set out to find them elsewhere, until the aliens trashed the place and forced them out. There was clearly a sense of comfort that Ray took just being there.

He (albeit pragmatically) steals a car, and then later kills* the loudmouth rather than, say, leave.
Those actions fall under the "I'd do anything for my kids" umbrella.

He's a "lad" who shuns responsibility and who happens to have children, and really seems not to be too happy about it. That to me suggested (a term like) "unlikeable".
Again, I don't read it that he's shunning responsibility. His boss makes it clear he's the best worker he has, and you know that has to mean something - especially with him being part of a union! I don't read it that he's unhappy about having his kids. He seems upbeat about getting home to see them when he leaves the work site. You can read it that he's blowing off the job, but I have a hard time believing a guy who's that eager to get out of work would be the best worker there.
Old 07-20-13 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pacaway
Would a Van Damme movie (Timecop) count as a martial arts film?
I watched that film for the first time for this challenge but I think I put it in the time travel category. There weren't a whole lot of martial arts choreography (or fights in general) in the film.
Old 07-20-13 | 08:49 PM
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I've never checked out Riordan's books. I need to do that at some point. I watched the Percy Jackson film with my sister and mostly enjoyed it despite some character and visual choices that drove me crazy. I suspect the book is better.
Oh yeah, the book is a ton better. I was looking forward to the movie, some good actors, what could go wrong? I think it was the dreaded book into movie curse. They just couldn't handle not messing with the plot just because.

I was always impressed with Riordan's research. He really put some time into researching ancient Greece and then putting his own, modern twist to it.
Old 07-21-13 | 06:25 AM
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After watching some more Star Trek with LJG765, I was wide awake so I decided to revisit Steven Spielberg's Always. From my Letterboxd diary:

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Back in the 90s when I first made an effort to explore Steven Spielberg's filmography, I rented Always. My perception at the time was that it was an amalgamation of Top Gun and Ghost. Revisiting it now, nearly 20 years later, I'm left with the same feeling.

The story is predictable and obvious, devoid of any surprises. The cast is solid and they have good chemistry with one another, particularly Richard Dreyfuss and John Goodman, but there really isn't much for them to do with such one-dimensional characters. The aerial footage is impressive...at first. The problem is that even that becomes repetitive. After the first half hour, even those sequences all look the same.

Storywise, the chief problem is that Pete (Dreyfuss) takes his death in such stride that there's no real reason to even sympathize with him as he's compelled to play matchmaker for his ex. That ought to have been a central theme of the film, but instead he just sort of shrugs and accepts that this is his new task. It rings so false for him to laugh his way through so much of the film that the few instances where he winces are devoid of any meaning. He shows more apprehension at losing control of his plane than at watching Dorinda (Holly Hunter) being romanced by Ted (Brad Johnson).

Subplots aren't particularly well developed, either. Al (Goodman) is a fine sidekick while Pete is alive but the rest of the film he seems to service exclusively as the guy yelling at Dorinda to get over her grief in the one troubling scene of the film. He never even apologized or recants berating her, leaving us with the impression he's essentially a cold-hearted jerk who more or less disappears from the film's second half.

Even John Williams's score feels detached and bored. The concert arrangement on The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration is lush and lively, but the actual film score feels like a temp track that was never really replaced.

In short, there's just no reason to connect with, or care about, any of the characters or their situations here. It's a shame, because the premise offers the chance for some genuinely interesting relationship dynamics. Unfortunately, they're squandered in a film that ran away from the humanity of the story.

Always was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #1481/1530

Always
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-X- Watch a film directed/produced/written by Ed Wood/Steven Spielberg/Terry Gilliam
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Always is a fantasy film, given that the protagonist spends most of the film in his afterlife, but I have no idea what sub genre it fits.
Old 07-21-13 | 12:00 PM
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Yesterday, a friend came over, and we watched Children of Men (2006). While I read the book when in high school, I had neglected to see the film and wish I had gone to see it in the theater. Cuaron's dystopian vision of the future and hallowing and feels eerily plausible. (Well, I don't know about the whole infertility thing, but the grittiness and political/social breakdown felt real.) This may become one of my new favorites. It's an elegant film with great characters and Pam Ferris.

After dinner, we decided to watch the director's cut of Alien (1979). I watched the theatrical version for last year's challenge, but the film is scary even when you know what's going to happen. Throughout the film, I kept thinking that Lambert sorta gets the short end of the stick. Sure, she doesn't handle the situation as well as Ripley, but neither would most people.

Before bed, I watched the terrible English dub of Rodan (1956) on Netflix. The story is pretty standard: ancient creatures reek havoc. This time around the poor community in peril is a mining town where the mines go too deep (don't they always). I want to seek out the Japanese version to see if the narrative fits a little better.
Old 07-21-13 | 04:30 PM
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While I can't compare it to Dredd, as I haven't seen it yet, and I know it was widely considered a flop, I'd just like to say, maybe it is my tolerance for bad movies, but ever since I saw Judge Dredd back in college on movie night, I've always enjoyed the film.
Old 07-21-13 | 09:17 PM
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since the heat was simply overbearing the last few days here in the Washington DC area I had to watch the 1961 British film: The Day The Earth Caught Fire - which had a pretty interesting solution to global warming but pretty extreme IMO.

also had a blast with my first 'Wild Card' with the stage production of The Rocky Horror Show - I've seen the movie, but 'live' - it was my first time and it was an utter scream!

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Old 07-21-13 | 09:28 PM
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since the heat was simply overbearing the last few days here in the Washington DC area I had to watch the 1961 British film: The Day The Earth Caught Fire - which had a pretty interesting solution to global warming but pretty extreme IMO.
It's been ages since I've seen that film. I really enjoying it. I should look into borrowing it from a friend.

Today, I started the first season of The Batman. While it is not as good as The Animated Series or Batman Beyond, I like it, especially the funky character designs and the colorful backgrounds. The first four episodes set up four of the reoccurring villains as well as three new characters on the Gotham police force. One of the new cops is an old friend of Bruce's, and it's a cool dynamic that could have been fleshed out a bit more in the series.
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Okay! Went to see Pacific Rim in 3D at the IMAX. Wow! I have to admit, I had trepidations about this one, maybe. Because it seemed to be overhyped? I'm not sure. But I was extremely surprised! It was great fun! Do I dare say it was the movie of the summer? At any rate, if you haven't seen it, and you are participating in this challenge, GO SEE IT! You will not be disappointed, I'm quite sure.

And do yourself another favor and DO NOT watch Atlantic Rim from Asylum right after! In fact, don't watch Atlantic Rim at all! It was terrible terrible terrible. Did I mention it was bad? It really, really was. BAD.
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I just realized that, while checking on IMDB, Hellraiser: Bloodlines counts for this challenge. I'd never seen it, so while I knew something about the time travel angle, I saw IMDB, officially gives it a sci fi listing.
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I needed a movie for the paranormal checkmark and remembered that ParaNorman was on my Ultraviolet account I shared. I took the risk (I've belonged to UV for over a year and have yet to be able to watch anything on it) and was actually able to watch it! Not on my tablet, which still doesn't work with it, but on my laptop, at least. Anyway, if you have not watched it, it was pretty cute. I laughed all the way through it and thought the ending was very nice... It's a bit dark, the whole point of it, but I wouldn't recommend little kids watching it. Definitely for older kids. It's on my to buy list now...
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I really don't think I should have watched both Primer and Upstream Color on the same weekend! I think my brain might explode! Good thing I buffered them with something mindless like Pacific Rim in between.
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I needed a movie for the paranormal checkmark and remembered that ParaNorman was on my Ultraviolet account I shared. I took the risk (I've belonged to UV for over a year and have yet to be able to watch anything on it) and was actually able to watch it!
Yay! It's about time you got some use out of that!

I failed to make our arranged nightly concurrent viewing of Star Trek (I've had a rough weekend), but yesterday afternoon I sat down with the early Oz films that are included as bonus content on the more recent DVD and Blu-ray editions of the 1939 classic musical version. Titles link to my corresponding Letterboxd diary entries, spoiler'd here for space but also for a few actual spoilers so...

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The Wonderful Wizard of Oz [1910]
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The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is somewhere between a strangely choreographed ballet and a fever dream. It was based at least in part on the 1902 stage play, which accounts for its style. The essence of L. Frank Baum's novel is recognizable, particularly the design of the Cowardly Lion, which strongly resembles the original artwork of the novel by W.W. Wenslow.

This short film is by no means a comprehensive adaptation, but there are enough things to appreciate in its brisk 13 minutes that I dig it.

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #841/1530

X- 1910 (1910)

The Patchwork Girl of Oz
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I have absolutely no idea what I just watched. All I know is that I really dig The Woozy. It was nice to see the Cowardly Lion, the Scarecrow and the Tin Woodsman near the end, though just why they're present is beyond me. The sacrifice of the Patchwork Girl's leg was a bit startling, though her ability to be repaired negated the shock factor a bit. Go Scarecrow, I guess, for hooking up with her in the end though, again, I have absolutely no idea what that was about.

I wish I could say more about this silent picture but really all I'm left with is "WTF was that?"

The Patchwork Girl of Oz entered my Flickchart at #829/1531

-X- 1910 (1914)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz
Spoiler:
Right. So this one is weird with a beard. The premise is straightforward enough: King Krewl disapproves of his daughter's beau so he hires the witch Mombi to freeze her heart. Dorothy and her companions come to the princess's aid. Simple enough.

Except that along the way some really strange things happen, like The Tin Woodman taking his ax and chopping off the head of Old Mombi...who then reattaches herself. And I have absolutely no idea where the kangaroo came from or how it fits into any part of the story. I'm watching the screen and then BAM! Kangaroo!

Again, as with The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, I adore the Cowardly Lion costume. He doesn't have much of a role here, but it was amusing to watch him nag for the Scarecrow's attention.

Frank Moore's Scarecrow is a highlight, displaying comedic timing playing up his character's awkward inability to walk properly while still exuding an air of optimism. Pierre Couderc's Tin Woodman is curious if only because it appears he has a big black mustache, which of course reminded me of Cesar Romero's Joker.

The special effects are comparable to a stage play, but they show some imagination all the same. Particularly impressive is the Wizard of Oz's cart-pulling barrel thing. All in all, His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz is a strange, but likable, affair.

Probably not for audiences too young to handle ax beheadings, though.

His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz entered my Flickchart at #383/1532

-X- 1910 (1914)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

The Magic Cloak of Oz
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Just when I thought it didn't get stranger than His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz comes The Magic Cloak. They were both originally slated to premiere on the same date (28 September 1914), but this one was delayed due to various reasons and wasn't actually released until some time in 1917. On that basis, I skipped it in production order and came back to it in its original release order.

Holy wow. This thing is like what I've always imagined an LSD trip might be. Another title may as well have been When People in Animal Costumes Attack!, because one subplot involves the donkey Nicodemus rallying forest animals (including "a lazy lion" that is clearly the same costume, if not character, as the Cowardly Lion) to fight a gang of robbers/kidnappers. Concurrent with that is a plot about Nicodemus's owners being given a magic, wish-granting cloak and also becoming the new royalty of the village of Noland.

Wikipedia informs me this was originally a five-reel film broken into two two-reel shorts and then later reconstructed, which certainly accounts for the non sequitur plot points. My personal favorite: As Queen Zixi absconds with the magic cloak, a title card announces, "And they had vampires even in those days!" o_O I never saw anything resembling a vampire. I have no idea what that was supposed to be about.

Whereas the ridiculousness of His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz appealed to me, I had a much harder time getting into The Magic Cloak of Oz. It's a disjointed mess, though it certainly delivers a lot of WTF moments.

The Magic Cloak of Oz entered my Flickchart at #851/1533

-X- 1910 (1914/1917)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

Collectively, The Patchwork Girl of Oz, His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz and The Magic Cloak of Oz also (debatably) meet the criteria for

-X- Watch a film and at least two sequels

The Wizard of Oz [1925]
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I kind of recall watching this when I first got the 3-disc Collector's Edition of the iconic 1939 Wizard of Oz DVD set, but apparently I didn't pay it very close attention at the time because I found it startling this time through.

This version of The Wizard of Oz can arguably be interpreted as an ancestor of The Princess Bride, Superman, Harry Potter and , among others. Like The Princess Bride, the story is framed by a present-day grandfather reading a book, to his granddaughter. Dorothy herself is given a Superman/Potter-like characterization this time. Rather than being an ordinary Kansas girl whisked off to Oz, it is revealed instead that she was born a princess in Oz and secreted off into hiding and dropped off in Kansas where she was raised by her "Aunt" Em and cruel "Uncle" Henry.

The archetypes and structure make for a genuinely intriguing interpretation. This time around, there are no "real" Scarecrow, Tin Man or Cowardly Lion. Instead, they're all personas adopted by Kansas farmhands taken to Oz along with Dorothy. Primarily, the film is a vehicle for director/star Larry Semon's comedic antics. Some of the gags work well and there are a handful of genuinely impressive stunts along the way (and some ambitious, but unconvincing, special effects).

Unfortunately, it's impossible to get past the blatant racism of this film. There's one black man - an uncredited Spencer Bell, whose character is given the debasing name Snowball. When we very first see him, he's gorging on watermelon instead of working. Though I get that he's the character who becomes the Cowardly Lion (and therefore reasonably displays a fearful personality), it plays instead that he's a lesser man than the others. Most egregious of all, when Semon's Scarecrow and Bell's Lion are trapped in a dungeon with actual lions, the former threatens the latter by actually saying in a title card:

"I hear these alley cats like *dark meat*. *I'm* not worried..."

Are. You. Kidding. Me.

My education background is in history and I can distinguish between my values and those of the past, blah, blah, blah, but this was a personal viewing not one for historical purposes so I feel at liberty to cringe and object. It's a shame the film resorts to such overt racism because under all the meandering gags there's actually a truly interesting narrative. Maybe others can stomach it, but I'm pretty well done with it.

There's also the matter of Dorothy herself, who starts off a reasonably strong, suffering Cinderella-type heroine but then quickly devolves into a fickle and entirely passive character. She's scarcely even a damsel in distress because she doesn't even seem to know she's in danger at all. And at film's end, rather than connect with the loyal farmhand/Scarecrow played by Semon, she lives happily ever after with Prince Kynd - though we've not seen any interaction between the two to even remotely suggest any romantic attraction. I guess being a prince was her only criteria?

The Wizard of Oz was re-ranked on my Flickchart to #1449/1533

-X- 1920 (1925)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

The Wizard of Oz [1933]
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For an 80 year old cartoon, this ain't half bad. The hand drawn animation shows at least as much whimsy and effort as anything from Walt Disney from the same era, though the narrative is lacking. The first few minutes are recognizable from the source material: Dorothy and Toto are transported to Oz by way of a pretty selective tornado. We meet the Scarecrow and Tin Man in turn, then visit the Emerald City - though here it seems more accidental than intentional.

The Wizard himself is especially wizard-y in appearance for the first time, right down to a starry pointed hat and long white beard. Unlike traditional Wizards of Oz, this one can actually perform magic - though his work falls somewhere between "superfluous" and "creepy." (Am I the only one who found it pervy that we see so many shots of Dorothy's undergarments and her legs opened? Why was she sitting on the steps in the beginning, thrusting her pelvis upward?)

The only conflict of this cartoon is that a chicken's egg grows so large before hatching that it threatens to destroy the Wizard's part of the Emerald City. Once hatched, though, all is well and things end there, so apparently no one cares whether Dorothy ever goes back home or not. Eh, it was the 30s. One less mouth to feed, right?

The Wizard of Oz entered my Flickchart at #1310/1534
Old 07-22-13 | 06:18 AM
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Before bed, I watched the terrible English dub of Rodan (1956) on Netflix. The story is pretty standard: ancient creatures reek havoc. This time around the poor community in peril is a mining town where the mines go too deep (don't they always). I want to seek out the Japanese version to see if the narrative fits a little better.
I certainly prefer the Japanese track when watching RODAN, but the English dub isn't that bad. I've heard worse. At least they got some Asian-American actors to do the voices including the great Keye Luke (who I watched as Kato in THE GREEN HORNET serial over the weekend) and an up-and-comer named George Takei, some nine years before "Star Trek." Many of the voices, however, are done by the ever-busy Paul Frees, whose attempts to sound Japanese can be quite grating.

RODAN is significant because it was the second Japanese monster movie to be released in the U.S. (after GODZILLA) and the first released in its original form, i.e. it wasn't re-edited with American actors the way GODZILLA was. So it was the first "real" Japanese movie my generation got to see, with scenes of Japanese life in the mining town shown unmediated, other than being dubbed in English. It also came to television pretty quickly, so we got to see it on TV within a year of seeing GODZILLA on TV.

RODAN is shorter than the Japanese original. I compiled notes once on the differences between the two versions. There is Japanese effects footage in the U.S. version that is not in the original. There is an opening stock footage montage that was added to the U.S. version. Some of the romantic scenes were cut for the dub. There is at least 10 minutes of footage in the original that was cut for the dub. There is some re-editing during one of the monster attacks. That's all I can remember right now.

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Old 07-22-13 | 07:50 AM
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I certainly prefer the Japanese track when watching RODAN, but the English dub isn't that bad. I've heard worse. At least they got some Asian-American actors to do the voices including the great Keye Luke (who I watched as Kato in THE GREEN HORNET serial over the weekend) and an up-and-comer named George Takei, some nine years before "Star Trek." Many of the voices, however, are done by the ever-busy Paul Frees, whose attempts to sound Japanese can be quite grating.
Good to know that as dubbed versions go, Rodan isn't that bad. The dubbed Classic Media version is the only version I have of that movie.
Old 07-22-13 | 08:12 AM
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Re: 6th Annual Sci Fi/Fantasy Challenge

Originally Posted by Ash Ketchum
I certainly prefer the Japanese track when watching RODAN, but the English dub isn't that bad. I've heard worse. At least they got some Asian-American actors to do the voices including the great Keye Luke (who I watched as Kato in THE GREEN HORNET serial over the weekend) and an up-and-comer named George Takei, some nine years before "Star Trek." Many of the voices, however, are done by the ever-busy Paul Frees, whose attempts to sound Japanese can be quite grating.
Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on the dub. If you count the Raymond Burr version of Godzilla, this is only the second dubbed Japanese live-action film I've watched. I did notice that some of the voices were better than others, with some of the minor characters sounding like they were straight out of a Family Guy recording booth. I'm going to have to track down a copy of the original Japanese version.

Come to think of it, anime is the only genre I regularly watch with English dubs. For some odd reason, I find it acceptable to watch One Piece and Wolf's Rain in English, but not so much a live-action film (unless nothing else is available).
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Come to think of it, anime is the only genre I regularly watch with English dubs. For some odd reason, I find it acceptable to watch One Piece and Wolf's Rain in English, but not so much a live-action film (unless nothing else is available).
Speaking of anime, I've been watching a lot of that lately, as I've been getting excited fo the animation challenge. Watching the original subbed versins that made up Voltron. The last few days I've been watching Armored Fleet Dairugger XV. Today I'm taking a break from that to watch some Beast King GoLion. It is nice to see how much more adult Voltron was in Japan.
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I think I may know what happened to my missing disc 2 of volume 1 of Beast King Golion. It is possible it was in the DVD Player of my old compuer and I accidentally threw it out. But I just discovered that it is no big deal as the complete series of Golion is available to watch on Youtube. So I can watch my missing episodes, as well as watch the episodes from volume 3, as I only have volumes 1 and 2.
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Originally Posted by mrcellophane
Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on the dub. If you count the Raymond Burr version of Godzilla, this is only the second dubbed Japanese live-action film I've watched. I did notice that some of the voices were better than others, with some of the minor characters sounding like they were straight out of a Family Guy recording booth. I'm going to have to track down a copy of the original Japanese version.

Come to think of it, anime is the only genre I regularly watch with English dubs. For some odd reason, I find it acceptable to watch One Piece and Wolf's Rain in English, but not so much a live-action film (unless nothing else is available).
The only anime I regularly watch dubbed is "Pokemon." I have some titles on old VHS tapes (e.g. TECHNOPOLICE 21C) that are only available dubbed, so I'll watch those. But the Japanese voice actors do so much better jobs than their American counterparts--in most cases. There have been odd examples over the years where I preferred the English dub for one reason or another. For instance, the actress who dubs Lisa Hayes in the English dub of ROBOTECH sounds more authoritative and no-nonsense than the Japanese voice actress.

As for dubbed live-action kaiju movies, the best dub jobs were done by AIP in the 1960s when they had a New York crew dub their imported movies. At a certain point in the 1970s, the only dubbed versions were those done by Toho themselves, which hired an Australian crew or a Hong Kong crew (the same crew that dubbed so many 1970s kung fu movies) and the quality was generally pretty terrible. The dubbing crews used for the later Godzilla movies (the Heisei period, 1989 on) are often the same crews that dub anime; they're all young and somewhat amateurish, as if they got fans to do the dubbing rather than professional actors.

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Yay! It's about time you got some use out of that!

I failed to make our arranged nightly concurrent viewing of Star Trek (I've had a rough weekend), but yesterday afternoon I sat down with the early Oz films that are included as bonus content on the more recent DVD and Blu-ray editions of the 1939 classic musical version. Titles link to my corresponding Letterboxd diary entries, spoiler'd here for space but also for a few actual spoilers so...

SEMI-SPOILER WARNING FOR ANYONE READING EMAILS

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz [1910]

X- 1910 (1910)

The Patchwork Girl of Oz

-X- 1910 (1914)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz

-X- 1910 (1914)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

The Magic Cloak of Oz

-X- 1910 (1914/1917)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

Collectively, The Patchwork Girl of Oz, His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz and The Magic Cloak of Oz also (debatably) meet the criteria for

-X- Watch a film and at least two sequels

The Wizard of Oz [1925]

-X- 1920 (1925)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale

The Wizard of Oz [1933]
Yeah, I actually was able to go in, find the movie and clicked on it. Then, it wanted me to pay for it, but I remembered that I figured out what happened. VUDU unlinks my UV account at will. And going into link it, you have to do the opposite of what the instructions say to link it. So, since I remember how to do that, it went pretty quickly. Back when I was trying to figure it out for the first time, it took weeks, but hey, it paid off last night, right?

I'm glad that you watched these. I had forgotten all about them and I still need watches for the '20s and '30s...Watching Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian right now. Probably ties as my least favorite of the new remakes as they completely divert from the original storyline. They do this with Voyage of the Dawn Treader as well. You're given great source material and just muck it up on a whim? I don't think I will ever understand why film makers do that.


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