6th Annual Sci Fi/Fantasy Challenge
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Yep, Tarfrimmer was reading it also. We both finished the second book in the series also. And I highly recommend the books. Yes, they are for young adults, but they hold up for ancient grown-ups like myself! I'm looking forward to finishing this series and moving on to Riordan's other series.
I've read 2 of the Red Pyramid ones and they were good, but haven't read the sequels to Percy Jackson yet, though.
Finished the first season of ST:TOS with Travis and are well on our way through the 2nd. I am enjoying these. I would have sworn I'd watched them all at one point or another but so many I don't remember so it's like watching for the first time. It's fun to see the things that become cliche and see why they are, but at the same time, I think some of it is exaggerated. (Kirk flirts a lot, but he really doesn't end up with love interests in EVERY episode.)
I love the colors. They are so bright and pop. They really took advantage of the color spectrum.
I have also been watching a few movies here and there. Last one was "Total Recall," the original one. It was better than I remember, though bloodier. The rat they shot, probably couldn't have had as much blood as ended up on the computer screen. Also, the ending bits with their faces was a bit too fakey for me. But, it's a decent flick.
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Yep, Tarfrimmer was reading it also. We both finished the second book in the series also. And I highly recommend the books. Yes, they are for young adults, but they hold up for ancient grown-ups like myself! I'm looking forward to finishing this series and moving on to Riordan's other series.
I need to finish up Heather Brewer's The Chronicles of Vladimir Tod series as well as Stewart & Riddell's The Edge Chronicles. I think both would make good television miniseries of even feature films.
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That, I can definitely see sliding into the fringes of Sci-Fi-proper.
But then I would probably put Bond/Bourne/whomever on a sub-level between "true" and "spy-fi" (e.g. Avengers, Six Million Dollar Man, Prisoner). I would personally downplay the gadgets of Bond and, say, Matt Helm and Mission: Impossible and instead focus on the semi-"fantasy" of a near-invincible superspy.
Now that you've got me started, I'm tempted to go with these levels of Spy fiction:
- "Spy" - e.g. George Smiley
- "Super-spy" - e.g. James Bond
- "Spy-fi" - e.g. Chuck
That said, I may be alone - Wikipedia has "Spy-fi" defined as:
whose mission is a showcase of science fiction elements such as technology and ideas used for extortion, plots for world domination or world destruction, futuristic weapons, gadgets and fast vehicles that can travel on land, fly, or sail on or under the sea. Spy-fi does not necessarily present espionage as it is practiced in reality. It is escapist fantasy that emphasizes glamour, adventure and derring-do.
Dr. No is my friend's favorite Bond movie. A few years ago when he went to Emerald City Comic Con in Seattle, he got to see On Her Majesty's Secret Service. We've agreed we wish we could trade our experiences. (We've seen From Russia with Love and Goldfinger together; the latter in a once-in-a-lifetime screening at Fort Knox in 2007!)
He's a "lad" who shuns responsibility and who happens to have children, and really seems not to be too happy about it. That to me suggested (a term like) "unlikeable".
*Offscreen, and "allegedly".
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You'll have to wait and watch it during the next Oscar Challenge but Cruise is certainly not the hero in Collateral though if you're aiming for sci-fi/fantasy, Cruise plays Lestat is a total ass in Interview with a Vampire (as he should since that's how the character was written).
It just struck me as odd - but clever, "realistic" and very well-done - that THE HERO was not a particulalry nice or heroic person. And not so much in the sense of 'unlikely hero', which is obviously a staple of films, but - and this may be why I plumped for the term - unlikeable hero.The Captains was quite interesting. I kinda wish they had spent more time with the actors but what can you do. I think Avery Brooks was totally playing Shatner as Brooks has always seemed far more grounded the few times I've seen him at cons than he comes off in the film. Bakula was far too kind during the discussion of why Enterprise didn't work: we all know it was the bad writing.
I've only seen half a dozen, but I definitely second your suggestion. It's good. (Make sure you get the right region-ed sets so the music is hacked about as little as possible.)
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It was part of the Alamo Drafthouse's Rolling Roadshow Tour. They had an inflatable screen set up at this little playground literally across the street from the gold depository building. Look to the right, there's the movie. Look to the left and there's all the gold. It was surreal.
A lot of parents define themselves by being the authority figure. When a teen becomes defiant, they react by trying to reassert their power by domination. Plus, he's now competing with his ex-wife's new husband just to remain relevant to his kids. That can be a lot of pressure.
Look at the scene where they're playing catch. It's Ray who initiates it, trying to connect with his son as best he knows how. It's the son who has taken up the Red Sox as his team - a clear act of not just defiance, but treason! They throw increasingly hard at one another trying to make a point. It's a typical father/son dynamic.
Then refer to the scene where he finds out his son crashed his car. His only reaction is to confirm that his son is okay. There's obvious worry and concern. Even when he later grounds his son, it's only half-hearted. Ray realizes bigger things are happening than just his son crashing his car, even if he doesn't yet know what they are.
Point: you.
That's what his son believes, but I don't. Ray is in over his head. He knows his ex-wife and her new husband have their act together a whole lot more than he does. I've always interpreted it that Ray is just as scared and is trying to get to where he thinks they all have their best chance at survival.
He intended to remain at their house and wait for them rather than to immediately set out to find them elsewhere, until the aliens trashed the place and forced them out. There was clearly a sense of comfort that Ray took just being there.
Those actions fall under the "I'd do anything for my kids" umbrella.
Again, I don't read it that he's shunning responsibility. His boss makes it clear he's the best worker he has, and you know that has to mean something - especially with him being part of a union!
I don't read it that he's unhappy about having his kids. He seems upbeat about getting home to see them when he leaves the work site. You can read it that he's blowing off the job, but I have a hard time believing a guy who's that eager to get out of work would be the best worker there.
That may not be the right word... but, really. He does not get on with his son at all, and acts like a child towards him;
Look at the scene where they're playing catch. It's Ray who initiates it, trying to connect with his son as best he knows how. It's the son who has taken up the Red Sox as his team - a clear act of not just defiance, but treason! They throw increasingly hard at one another trying to make a point. It's a typical father/son dynamic.
Then refer to the scene where he finds out his son crashed his car. His only reaction is to confirm that his son is okay. There's obvious worry and concern. Even when he later grounds his son, it's only half-hearted. Ray realizes bigger things are happening than just his son crashing his car, even if he doesn't yet know what they are.
he doesn't know his own daughter is allergic to peanuts.
His primary mission - as the son rightly points out - is not to save his children, but to dump them back with their mother!
He intended to remain at their house and wait for them rather than to immediately set out to find them elsewhere, until the aliens trashed the place and forced them out. There was clearly a sense of comfort that Ray took just being there.
He (albeit pragmatically) steals a car, and then later kills* the loudmouth rather than, say, leave.
He's a "lad" who shuns responsibility and who happens to have children, and really seems not to be too happy about it. That to me suggested (a term like) "unlikeable".
I don't read it that he's unhappy about having his kids. He seems upbeat about getting home to see them when he leaves the work site. You can read it that he's blowing off the job, but I have a hard time believing a guy who's that eager to get out of work would be the best worker there.
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#708
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I was always impressed with Riordan's research. He really put some time into researching ancient Greece and then putting his own, modern twist to it.
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After watching some more Star Trek with LJG765, I was wide awake so I decided to revisit Steven Spielberg's Always. From my Letterboxd diary:
SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL
Always
-X- 1980 (1989)
-X- Watch a film directed/produced/written by Ed Wood/Steven Spielberg/Terry Gilliam
-X- PG
Always is a fantasy film, given that the protagonist spends most of the film in his afterlife, but I have no idea what sub genre it fits.
SPOILER ALERT FOR ANYONE READING EMAIL
Spoiler:
Always
-X- 1980 (1989)
-X- Watch a film directed/produced/written by Ed Wood/Steven Spielberg/Terry Gilliam
-X- PG
Always is a fantasy film, given that the protagonist spends most of the film in his afterlife, but I have no idea what sub genre it fits.
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Yesterday, a friend came over, and we watched Children of Men (2006). While I read the book when in high school, I had neglected to see the film and wish I had gone to see it in the theater. Cuaron's dystopian vision of the future and hallowing and feels eerily plausible. (Well, I don't know about the whole infertility thing, but the grittiness and political/social breakdown felt real.) This may become one of my new favorites. It's an elegant film with great characters and Pam Ferris.
After dinner, we decided to watch the director's cut of Alien (1979). I watched the theatrical version for last year's challenge, but the film is scary even when you know what's going to happen. Throughout the film, I kept thinking that Lambert sorta gets the short end of the stick. Sure, she doesn't handle the situation as well as Ripley, but neither would most people.
Before bed, I watched the terrible English dub of Rodan (1956) on Netflix. The story is pretty standard: ancient creatures reek havoc. This time around the poor community in peril is a mining town where the mines go too deep (don't they always). I want to seek out the Japanese version to see if the narrative fits a little better.
After dinner, we decided to watch the director's cut of Alien (1979). I watched the theatrical version for last year's challenge, but the film is scary even when you know what's going to happen. Throughout the film, I kept thinking that Lambert sorta gets the short end of the stick. Sure, she doesn't handle the situation as well as Ripley, but neither would most people.
Before bed, I watched the terrible English dub of Rodan (1956) on Netflix. The story is pretty standard: ancient creatures reek havoc. This time around the poor community in peril is a mining town where the mines go too deep (don't they always). I want to seek out the Japanese version to see if the narrative fits a little better.
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While I can't compare it to Dredd, as I haven't seen it yet, and I know it was widely considered a flop, I'd just like to say, maybe it is my tolerance for bad movies, but ever since I saw Judge Dredd back in college on movie night, I've always enjoyed the film.
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since the heat was simply overbearing the last few days here in the Washington DC area I had to watch the 1961 British film: The Day The Earth Caught Fire - which had a pretty interesting solution to global warming but pretty extreme IMO.
also had a blast with my first 'Wild Card' with the stage production of The Rocky Horror Show - I've seen the movie, but 'live' - it was my first time and it was an utter scream!
also had a blast with my first 'Wild Card' with the stage production of The Rocky Horror Show - I've seen the movie, but 'live' - it was my first time and it was an utter scream!
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#713
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Today, I started the first season of The Batman. While it is not as good as The Animated Series or Batman Beyond, I like it, especially the funky character designs and the colorful backgrounds. The first four episodes set up four of the reoccurring villains as well as three new characters on the Gotham police force. One of the new cops is an old friend of Bruce's, and it's a cool dynamic that could have been fleshed out a bit more in the series.
#714
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Okay! Went to see Pacific Rim in 3D at the IMAX. Wow! I have to admit, I had trepidations about this one, maybe. Because it seemed to be overhyped? I'm not sure. But I was extremely surprised! It was great fun! Do I dare say it was the movie of the summer? At any rate, if you haven't seen it, and you are participating in this challenge, GO SEE IT! You will not be disappointed, I'm quite sure.
And do yourself another favor and DO NOT watch Atlantic Rim from Asylum right after! In fact, don't watch Atlantic Rim at all! It was terrible terrible terrible. Did I mention it was bad? It really, really was. BAD.
And do yourself another favor and DO NOT watch Atlantic Rim from Asylum right after! In fact, don't watch Atlantic Rim at all! It was terrible terrible terrible. Did I mention it was bad? It really, really was. BAD.
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I just realized that, while checking on IMDB, Hellraiser: Bloodlines counts for this challenge. I'd never seen it, so while I knew something about the time travel angle, I saw IMDB, officially gives it a sci fi listing.
#716
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I needed a movie for the paranormal checkmark and remembered that ParaNorman was on my Ultraviolet account I shared. I took the risk (I've belonged to UV for over a year and have yet to be able to watch anything on it) and was actually able to watch it! Not on my tablet, which still doesn't work with it, but on my laptop, at least. Anyway, if you have not watched it, it was pretty cute. I laughed all the way through it and thought the ending was very nice... It's a bit dark, the whole point of it, but I wouldn't recommend little kids watching it. Definitely for older kids. It's on my to buy list now...
#717
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I really don't think I should have watched both Primer and Upstream Color on the same weekend! I think my brain might explode! Good thing I buffered them with something mindless like Pacific Rim in between.
#718
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I failed to make our arranged nightly concurrent viewing of Star Trek (I've had a rough weekend), but yesterday afternoon I sat down with the early Oz films that are included as bonus content on the more recent DVD and Blu-ray editions of the 1939 classic musical version. Titles link to my corresponding Letterboxd diary entries, spoiler'd here for space but also for a few actual spoilers so...
SEMI-SPOILER WARNING FOR ANYONE READING EMAILS
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz [1910]
Spoiler:
X- 1910 (1910)
The Patchwork Girl of Oz
Spoiler:
-X- 1910 (1914)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale
His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz
Spoiler:
-X- 1910 (1914)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale
The Magic Cloak of Oz
Spoiler:
-X- 1910 (1914/1917)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale
Collectively, The Patchwork Girl of Oz, His Majesty, the Scarecrow of Oz and The Magic Cloak of Oz also (debatably) meet the criteria for
-X- Watch a film and at least two sequels
The Wizard of Oz [1925]
Spoiler:
-X- 1920 (1925)
-X- Watch a film based on a novel
-X- Unrated
-X- Based on fairy tale
The Wizard of Oz [1933]
Spoiler:
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Before bed, I watched the terrible English dub of Rodan (1956) on Netflix. The story is pretty standard: ancient creatures reek havoc. This time around the poor community in peril is a mining town where the mines go too deep (don't they always). I want to seek out the Japanese version to see if the narrative fits a little better.
RODAN is significant because it was the second Japanese monster movie to be released in the U.S. (after GODZILLA) and the first released in its original form, i.e. it wasn't re-edited with American actors the way GODZILLA was. So it was the first "real" Japanese movie my generation got to see, with scenes of Japanese life in the mining town shown unmediated, other than being dubbed in English. It also came to television pretty quickly, so we got to see it on TV within a year of seeing GODZILLA on TV.
RODAN is shorter than the Japanese original. I compiled notes once on the differences between the two versions. There is Japanese effects footage in the U.S. version that is not in the original. There is an opening stock footage montage that was added to the U.S. version. Some of the romantic scenes were cut for the dub. There is at least 10 minutes of footage in the original that was cut for the dub. There is some re-editing during one of the monster attacks. That's all I can remember right now.
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I certainly prefer the Japanese track when watching RODAN, but the English dub isn't that bad. I've heard worse. At least they got some Asian-American actors to do the voices including the great Keye Luke (who I watched as Kato in THE GREEN HORNET serial over the weekend) and an up-and-comer named George Takei, some nine years before "Star Trek." Many of the voices, however, are done by the ever-busy Paul Frees, whose attempts to sound Japanese can be quite grating.
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I certainly prefer the Japanese track when watching RODAN, but the English dub isn't that bad. I've heard worse. At least they got some Asian-American actors to do the voices including the great Keye Luke (who I watched as Kato in THE GREEN HORNET serial over the weekend) and an up-and-comer named George Takei, some nine years before "Star Trek." Many of the voices, however, are done by the ever-busy Paul Frees, whose attempts to sound Japanese can be quite grating.
Come to think of it, anime is the only genre I regularly watch with English dubs. For some odd reason, I find it acceptable to watch One Piece and Wolf's Rain in English, but not so much a live-action film (unless nothing else is available).
#722
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Speaking of anime, I've been watching a lot of that lately, as I've been getting excited fo the animation challenge. Watching the original subbed versins that made up Voltron. The last few days I've been watching Armored Fleet Dairugger XV. Today I'm taking a break from that to watch some Beast King GoLion. It is nice to see how much more adult Voltron was in Japan.
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I think I may know what happened to my missing disc 2 of volume 1 of Beast King Golion. It is possible it was in the DVD Player of my old compuer and I accidentally threw it out. But I just discovered that it is no big deal as the complete series of Golion is available to watch on Youtube. So I can watch my missing episodes, as well as watch the episodes from volume 3, as I only have volumes 1 and 2.
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Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on the dub. If you count the Raymond Burr version of Godzilla, this is only the second dubbed Japanese live-action film I've watched. I did notice that some of the voices were better than others, with some of the minor characters sounding like they were straight out of a Family Guy recording booth. I'm going to have to track down a copy of the original Japanese version.
Come to think of it, anime is the only genre I regularly watch with English dubs. For some odd reason, I find it acceptable to watch One Piece and Wolf's Rain in English, but not so much a live-action film (unless nothing else is available).
Come to think of it, anime is the only genre I regularly watch with English dubs. For some odd reason, I find it acceptable to watch One Piece and Wolf's Rain in English, but not so much a live-action film (unless nothing else is available).
As for dubbed live-action kaiju movies, the best dub jobs were done by AIP in the 1960s when they had a New York crew dub their imported movies. At a certain point in the 1970s, the only dubbed versions were those done by Toho themselves, which hired an Australian crew or a Hong Kong crew (the same crew that dubbed so many 1970s kung fu movies) and the quality was generally pretty terrible. The dubbing crews used for the later Godzilla movies (the Heisei period, 1989 on) are often the same crews that dub anime; they're all young and somewhat amateurish, as if they got fans to do the dubbing rather than professional actors.
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Yeah, I actually was able to go in, find the movie and clicked on it. Then, it wanted me to pay for it, but I remembered that I figured out what happened. VUDU unlinks my UV account at will. And going into link it, you have to do the opposite of what the instructions say to link it. So, since I remember how to do that, it went pretty quickly. Back when I was trying to figure it out for the first time, it took weeks, but hey, it paid off last night, right?
I'm glad that you watched these. I had forgotten all about them and I still need watches for the '20s and '30s...Watching Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian right now. Probably ties as my least favorite of the new remakes as they completely divert from the original storyline. They do this with Voyage of the Dawn Treader as well. You're given great source material and just muck it up on a whim? I don't think I will ever understand why film makers do that.
I'm glad that you watched these. I had forgotten all about them and I still need watches for the '20s and '30s...Watching Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian right now. Probably ties as my least favorite of the new remakes as they completely divert from the original storyline. They do this with Voyage of the Dawn Treader as well. You're given great source material and just muck it up on a whim? I don't think I will ever understand why film makers do that.




weekend dad. To be honest, he seemed to make a stronger effort than a lot of such guys I know. It never occurred to me that Ray is unlikeable.